Pro Football Hall of Fame releases list of possible 2006 Inductees
 

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Once again, Art Monk has made the list of potential Hall of Famers. He is joined by other former Redskins, such as Gary Clark, Russ Grimm, Irving Fryar, Ken Harvey, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Dexter Manley, and other players who spent parts of their careers with the team.

As many of you are aware, we sponsor an online petition to support Art's induction into the Hall of Fame. The link is [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/Monk_To_Hall]here[/url]. I urge those of you who have not signed the petition to do so, and encourage your friends and family to do likewise. It seems each year the malcontent voices of football experts rise up to tell how pedestrian a player Art Monk was - it's time we shouted back.

Thank you,

Brud Lee

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i've already signed the petition, but if i sign it again, will it help? hopefully we get some peeps in there this year.

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[QUOTE=mooby]i've already signed the petition, but if i sign it again, will it help? hopefully we get some peeps in there this year.[/QUOTE]

I erase the duplicate signatures. My plan is to send the petition off to Peter King, Dr. Z, and the loud naysayers to remind them that theirs isn't the only criteria that matters. If there are a bunch of duplicates, or "Mickey Mouse" signatures, it doesn't really help the cause.

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What a list. It looks like it could be a cowturd class with Aikman, Johnson, and Irvin. I will just puke if that happens.

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Let's look at the first year eligibles:

Troy Aikman (because of the Super Bowls, he's in)
Bruce Armstrong
Ben Coates (HA!)
Dermonti Dawson
Irving Fryar
Cortez Kennedy
Warren Moon (I'm almost thinking lock)
Andre Reed
Clyde Simmons
Neil Smith
Thurman Thomas
Jessie Tuggle
Reggie White (i'm thinking lock)

Out of this group, I'd say Aikman, Moon and White first ballot, Dawson and Armstrong possibly in the future, and Thurman Thomas is a maybe.

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I like that Monk's picture is front and center at the top!

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]Let's look at the first year eligibles:

Troy Aikman (because of the Super Bowls, he's in)
Bruce Armstrong
Ben Coates (HA!)
Dermonti Dawson
Irving Fryar
Cortez Kennedy
Warren Moon (I'm almost thinking lock)
Andre Reed
Clyde Simmons
Neil Smith
Thurman Thomas
Jessie Tuggle
Reggie White (i'm thinking lock)

Out of this group, I'd say Aikman, Moon and White first ballot, Dawson and Armstrong possibly in the future, and Thurman Thomas is a maybe.[/QUOTE]

The two lead pipe locks here are Aikman and White.

You can make a case for most of the others, but none of them look to be first ballot guys.

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It's a list of some GREAT Redskins. It would be great to see them inducted. Harold Carmichael........Watching Pat Fischer wrap himself around him like some............rabid ferret takes me back! Cool

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I have no problem with Aikman making it. The thing that will piss me off is if Irvin makes it before Monk. Monk leads Irvin in all stats except yards per catch and you can attribute that to how they were used. I was sick when I learned Irvin made it farther in the voting last year than Monk. You can attribute that to Irvin's mouth and the fact that he is an announcer. Monk by far has more class than Irvin and deserves to be in the HOF before Irvin(who was repeatedly in trouble off the field). Thanks for starting the petition I hope it makes a difference and puts him over the top.

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Andre Reed was also a redskin for a year or two

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I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.

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Aikman was a media darling.

He led the Cowboys to 3 titles and they were a true dynasty in the 90s. I'd be shocked if he didn't get in first ballot.

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Monk was more dominate than Aikman period. It is one of the most dreadful travesties in sports today: A guy who is like top 5 in almost every significant category doesn't get the props he deserves. Makes me sad to think about it.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Monk was more dominate than Aikman period. It is one of the most dreadful travesties in sports today: A guy who is like top 5 in almost every significant category doesn't get the props he deserves. Makes me sad to think about it.[/QUOTE]

Difference is Aikman played QB, the ultimate glamour position in all of sports.

His stats are pretty decent, but the rings and his winning % put him over the top.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Difference is Aikman played QB, the ultimate glamour position in all of sports.

His stats are pretty decent, but the rings and his winning % put him over the top.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry - didn't Monk play for the Skins in 1982, 1987, and 1991? ;)

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Herb Mul-Key robbed again

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.[/QUOTE]

You sort of bring up an interesting point about Aikman. Aikman was efficient, not necessarily a star. His teams usually had the lead going into the final quarter so he never really had to dig deep and pull out some miraculous comeback, a la Elway. So should that be held against him?

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if any QB deserves to make it this year it should be Moon. Look at his stats, he was a great QB on shity teams.

Passing Attempts: 6823
Passing Comp: 3988
Comp %: 58.4%
Passing Yards: 49325
Passing TD: 291

For each catagory this is where he is ranked among the others.
Passing Attempts: 4th, only Favre, Elway, Marino ahead of him
Passing Comp: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing Yards: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing TD: 5th, with the same 3 ahead of him plus Tarkenton

So if you look at the company he is with, he is more than deserving of a 1st time ballot to make the HOF.

All of my information was taken from this web site:
[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MoonWa00.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/ptd.htm[/url]

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.[/QUOTE]

It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty (no free agancy crap ala the patriots) with three rings - one SB MVP - who we still see every week on TV, (and isn't making an a$$ of himself like Irvin) is getting in first ballot slam dunk, thanks for coming, who do we vote on next?

Monk should be in as should Irvin. I don't wanna throw the race card in but.....

I don't want to get into the HOF argument, cause there are a lot of people who think that with 5 rings, the Cowboys should have more players in the Hall. I don't know.

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monk leads irvin in every category (yards, TDs, he also has 3 SB rings), so you do agree monk should go in first?

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty (no free agancy crap ala the patriots) with three rings - one SB MVP - who we still see every week on TV, (and isn't making an a$$ of himself like Irvin) is getting in first ballot slam dunk, thanks for coming, who do we vote on next?

Monk should be in as should Irvin. I don't wanna throw the race card in but.....

I don't want to get into the HOF argument, cause there are a lot of people who think that with 5 rings, the Cowboys should have more players in the Hall. I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Thats right you don't know...

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty ([b]no free agancy crap ala the patriots) [/b].[/QUOTE]

A truly bitter Cboy fan.

Salary cap dynasty of the Pats is amazing.

Proving to me that Belichek was needed by Parcells much like Buiddy Ryan was needed by Ditka.

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Too bad when I sign it, it brings up a page not found! Conspiracy I tell ya!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]monk leads irvin in every category (yards, TDs, he also has 3 SB rings), so you do agree monk should go in first?[/QUOTE]

Monk should probably go in first, but he has been on the ballot a bit so that starts to count against you.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Thats right you don't know...[/QUOTE]

Stimulating response.
I'm not a big HOF guy. Not really my thing.

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[QUOTE=jhold4th]A truly bitter Cboy fan.

Salary cap dynasty of the Pats is amazing.

Proving to me that Belichek was needed by Parcells much like Buiddy Ryan was needed by Ditka.[/QUOTE]

The SB champions of new FA era are the weakest in the history of the league.

The Rams? The Ravens? The Patriots first SB when even Belichek was amazed that they won?

Buddy Ryan didn't win much without Ditka either.

Let's see how Belichek does without HIS very important Coordinators - Crennell and Weis - two men who ALSO learned at the feet of Parcells.

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I'm thinking Parcells misses Belichek rather than visa versa.

On Bill has 2 SB rings

The other 5

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[QUOTE=jhold4th]I'm thinking Parcells misses Belichek rather than visa versa.

On Bill has 2 SB rings

The other 5[/QUOTE]

Really, if you want to look at it the way they look at it; one has 3 - as a head coach - the other has two. For now.

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OK, I just signed.

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Brud Dude
I think I signed. Can you check?

Mike [Michael] Hedrick

peace
mike [BIG Art Fan!]

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Brud Dude
I think I signed. Can you check?

Mike [Michael] Hedrick

peace
mike [BIG Art Fan!][/QUOTE]
Didn't see you, Mike.

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[QUOTE=Master4Caster]OK, I just signed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for signing.

Nice blog!

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i signed.

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Thanks to all, especially 5RINGS. The liist of signatures has doubled in the past week - but there need to be more! If we can get the list up to 1000, I'll print them and mail them to the Dr. Z's and Peter King's of the world.

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about how many do we have now??

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Over 400. It's getting to be time that we send the link to those on our email lists, just to pad the numbers.

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You see mine now.
I had to add the www. part to get to the url too.

Go Art.
Thanks to 5rings too

peace