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Ok I know you all going to start backfire at me but really you have to Thank TO for his stupidity and giving you the W because if he was there lets not say the hole game lets say the last drive you might not get the win at the end (great game ).

Your guys played hard and deserved the Win and actually when a saw TO wsn't going to play I marked it as a W for you but it was closer than I expected.

Also Love seeing L.A (56) there his a force don't care if he freelances he destroys offense game plan and was all over the field.

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T.O. or no T.O. Reggie Brown almost had 100 yards and he had the TD. He would not have been a factor if T.O. was there. So I don't think the T.O. factor mattered that much. The Eagles have found their new T.O. replacement in Brown.

The Eagles just can't run the ball. All you have to do is go after McNabb.

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last year TO had 22 yards (2 catches) in one game and like 69 and a TD in the other... we did hold him down fairly well last year, so i'm not big into wouldda coulda and revisionist history, especially when TO might not play another snap for the iggles.

I mean, we had C griffin out and our #2 DT with a totally gimped foot, portis is probably still hurting etc etc... just not worth going into all that right now.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Ok I know you all going to start backfire at me but really you have to Thank TO for his stupidity and giving you the W because if he was there lets not say the hole game lets say the last drive you might not get the win at the end (great game ).

Your guys played hard and deserved the Win and actually when a saw TO wsn't going to play I marked it as a W for you but it was closer than I expected.

Also Love seeing L.A (56) there his a force don't care if he freelances he destroys offense game plan and was all over the field.[/QUOTE]

I think Eagles suspending T.O. for the game last night was a rallying point for the Philly team. They wanted to come together and prove they can win without him. I wouldn't be so quick to discredit our win.

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The Eagles were a good team before TO & they'll be a good team after TO. Consider that they've beat us 7 in a row before last night's game....

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I,for one, have no issue awknowledging that it was easier to beat the Eagles w/o TO than with him.

THANKS T.O. FOR THE WIN!

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I wouldn't be so quick to discredit our win.


Wow I'm not discrediting your win as I said, I believed you would won that game I even bet in your favor. what I said is that t was a lot closer that I tought and they almost took it away at the end wich brought my attention to the TO factor and yes brown played extremly well but he's not a cluch receiver yet as he proved at the end

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]I think Eagles suspending T.O. for the game last night was a rallying point for the Philly team. They wanted to come together and prove they can win without him. I wouldn't be so quick to discredit our win.[/QUOTE]I was more worried about the game and that they where out to prove they could win without TO. I think Mcnabb with all his injurys was realy playing hard to get the win without TO.

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We're not gonna be the only team that benefits from a lack of T.O. Philly is still no slouch though.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Ok I know you all going to start backfire at me but really you have to Thank TO for his stupidity and giving you the W because if he was there lets not say the hole game lets say the last drive you might not get the win at the end (great game ).

Your guys played hard and deserved the Win and actually when a saw TO wsn't going to play I marked it as a W for you but it was closer than I expected.

Also Love seeing L.A (56) there his a force don't care if he freelances he destroys offense game plan and was all over the field.[/QUOTE]


I would just like to graciously point out, don't to presumptive and put your feet up on the coffee table (as you don't want to become an unwelcome guest) without permission. The best TO gets you on last night is Overtime.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Ok I know you all going to start backfire at me but really you have to Thank TO for his stupidity and giving you the W because if he was there lets not say the hole game lets say the last drive you might not get the win at the end (great game ).

Your guys played hard and deserved the Win and actually when a saw TO wsn't going to play I marked it as a W for you but it was closer than I expected.

Also Love seeing L.A (56) there his a force don't care if he freelances he destroys offense game plan and was all over the field.[/QUOTE]

OK you thank Antonio Gates and the Chargers first. Go ahead..... Ok now. Why should we thank TO?
This is a clear indication that character is just as important as skill. When the eagles got him they knew his attitude -which is horrible- and that is the same as his skill level. Now lets say he someone dropped a pass, we shouldn't thank them because it is just as much a part of what they bring to the table. I am not gonna feel bad for anyone if courtney brown gets injured because that is what he brings to the table, he can be good but he is always injured.

You probably won't be playing against TO this week and as far as most eagles are concerned TO isn't even part of the team. We beat the eagles, all of the eagles, because TO is not an eagle. TO might not ever wear an eagles jersey again so we beat the EAGLES.

Antonio Gates' suspension was redicoulous atleast this on had meaning.

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in the last drive he gets OT and after that its basicly a flip of the coin and I don't know if I like TO no longer in the team he brought disconfort in the locker room there where fights lack of concentration if they start playing as a team

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Well...The Cowboys have them next Mon Night. Let's just wait and see what happens. Dallass is coming off of a bye, also so they should be more than healthy and prepared.

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We allready beat the eagles with TO remmember and we should take this 1 we need to prove we are a top NFC team it will be at PHI thats the only bad thing I'm more worried of facing Denver in Turkey day .

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Actually, McNabb still shredded the Redskins secondary for over 300 yards passing without Terrell Owens.

[I]But they still won. [/I] The Eagles replacement for Owens, Reggie Brown, smoked Shawn Springs -- so trust me, they didn't miss a beat w/o T.O.

I swear, if it's not one problem on defense, it's another. One week, the opponents trample the Redskins running the ball, and when the Skins get that under control -- BAMO! -- Springs, Taylor, and Walt Harris play like they'd rather have the night off. Thank God for Ryan Clark and Derrick Dockery. Otherwise, this might have been a different story.

But the story would have been the same with or without Owens.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]We allready beat the eagles with TO remmember and we should take this 1 we need to prove we are a top NFC team it will be at PHI thats the only bad thing I'm more worried of facing Denver in Turkey day .[/QUOTE]

i think you make some valid points although some of them make no sense maybe it is because your stream of consciousness is coming out all at once and making my head hurt on the other hand i could just take some aspirin but maybe i should listen to tom cruise and scientology and just go herbal

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Ok I know you all going to start backfire at me but really you have to Thank TO for his stupidity and giving you the W because if he was there lets not say the hole game lets say the last drive you might not get the win at the end (great game ).
[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a Dallas fan.......it's a team sport! :lol:

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Just a quick thought though did the Eagles not also win 2 playoff games to get them to the superbowl sans Owens last year and when TO did play did he really give them that extra edge?

I would be more worried that McNabb looked like he was getting his legs back but then that could be because we had nothing to throw at him from the D line or front 7 in general .

I predict Dallas should win this one the Eagles just aint the same this time around .

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The Eagles are good without him and really good with him. Honestly, I'd almost say the difference is marginal because without TO the Eagles are forced to use their other weapons.

I mean before TO got there, HOW MANY NFC Championship games were they in? It's not like he was the missing link.

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You will be able to thank him in person because I think the skins will pick him up.

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Even Lenny P. said TO won't end up in D.C., he said look for him in Denver, Miami or New Orleans.

Gibbs and TO? No way.

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Hmmm, I can't see Saban putting up with that shit either. New Orleans is getting a bit dysfunctional. I can see him there.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Even Lenny P. said TO won't end up in D.C., he said look for him in Denver, Miami or New Orleans.

Gibbs and TO? No way.[/QUOTE]

You rip Lenny P weekly for being an idiot and now he knows what he's talking about?!

I think Gibbs success in getting LA with the program would give Gibbs even more confidence that he could get TO to work in the framework of what he's doing. Gibbs is first and foremost a people person and he (better than maybe anyone in the nfl) would know how to handle TO's temper tantrums. Also Gibbs sees a guy in trouble and knows he can help TO and the skins become better. I think the probability of this happening is low but just remember where you heard it first (just like my PR getting benched prediction).

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It's insulting to put LaVar and TO in the same breath. LaVar is an emotional guy and TO is flat out a JACKASS. That aside, where is this money going to come from, osmosis?

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What are we talking about here? There is no way Gibbs would put up with TO.

With Gibbs its the TEAM first....no individuals. Gibbs preaches playing as one team, winning and losing together.

If you know anything about Gibbs, you would know that he wouldn't waste his time with a guy like TO.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]What are we talking about here? There is no way Gibbs would put up with TO.

With Gibbs its the TEAM first....no individuals. Gibbs preaches playing as one team, winning and losing together.

If you know anything about Gibbs, you would know that he wouldn't waste his time with a guy like TO.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs has put up with Sean Taylor's tumultious off season where he was not exactly a team first guy. Gibbs understood how to work with ST to get him to become the team player he seems to have become. Gibbs is the best at handling this type of troubled player.

I think if one knows anything about Gibbs, TO is just the kind of guy he would love to be able to work with and win a championship.

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Thing is, T.O. probably would not have made it past the 2nd quarter. I'm pretty certain Mr. Arrington and Mr. Taylor would have been eager to take care of business.

And as for T.O. in the Redskin locker room? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. 52 other guys would have shut him up long ago.

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[QUOTE=irish]Gibbs has put up with Sean Taylor's tumultious off season where he was not exactly a team first guy. Gibbs understood how to work with ST to get him to become the team player he seems to have become. Gibbs is the best at handling this type of troubled player.

I think if one knows anything about Gibbs, TO is just the kind of guy he would love to be able to work with and win a championship.[/QUOTE]

There's a difference between being young and immature and being an egomaniacal head case. Not only that, I feel as though TO falls into the category of teaching an old dog new tricks.

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If you recall, TO was not a problem last year and gave 110% and played hurt in the super bowl. I'm not suggesting the skins sign TO to a long term deal (thats when the problems happen) but I am certain that if the skins bring TO in for the remaining 8 games and pay him what he wants (this whole fuss with philly is only about the $) the skins instantly become the favorite to represent the NFC in the super bowl. The skins are close, TO makes them a real powerhouse, its worth taking a shot with TO.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]There's a difference between being young and immature and being an egomaniacal head case. Not only that, I feel as though TO falls into the category of teaching an old dog new tricks.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. We may have some characters in our locker room, but theres no way you can compare them to TO.

TO constantly called out McNabb.

TO called out the organization's class. You don't shit where you eat, and he's done that everywhere he's gone.


And where the hell are we going to find money to pay TO?

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[QUOTE=irish]You rip Lenny P weekly for being an idiot and now he knows what he's talking about?!

I think Gibbs success in getting LA with the program would give Gibbs even more confidence that he could get TO to work in the framework of what he's doing. Gibbs is first and foremost a people person and he (better than maybe anyone in the nfl) would know how to handle TO's temper tantrums. Also Gibbs sees a guy in trouble and knows he can help TO and the skins become better. I think the probability of this happening is low but just remember where you heard it first (just like my PR getting benched prediction).[/QUOTE]

My point was even Lenny P. who loves to rip on the Skins isn't dumb enough to say the Skins would take TO.

If the Eagles couldn't tame TO, forget about it, there's no way Gibbs would want to touch him.

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TO is in a class all by himself when it comes to problem athletes, there is no way in hell Gibbs even gives him a thought.

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[QUOTE=irish]If you recall, TO was not a problem last year and gave 110% and played hurt in the super bowl. I'm not suggesting the skins sign TO to a long term deal (thats when the problems happen) but I am certain that if the skins bring TO in for the remaining 8 games and pay him what he wants (this whole fuss with philly is only about the $) the skins instantly become the favorite to represent the NFC in the super bowl. The skins are close, TO makes them a real powerhouse, its worth taking a shot with TO.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe you need a Dallas Fan to defend your Coach but here it goes TO will never be a Redskin with Gibbs as a head coach Snyder will love to sign him but Gibbs won't put up with him.

Gibbs made your franchise stron with TEAM players no SuperStars egomaniac for cry sake you won a SB with Mark Rypen as your QB, you have had great players in your SB runs but no Divas and TO is a diva and he's uncoachable.

Sorry but don't compare LA situation with TO because if TO gets sit or bench for even a Quarter he would be screeming and kicking until someone notice him. No way he would get the message as LA did he got bench for 6 games and he still ain't starting lineup.

Now about signing him for the rest of the season Irish you can't do that they haven't fired him just suspended without paid for 4 games and inactive for the rest of the games thats it he will be traded or fire before march 5th when he's do a 5 million roster bonus.

TO won't play this season and even thought I would like to think he won't play anymore I'm sure a team is stupid enough or desperate to sign him NO is a posibility, NYJ and maybe atlanta because he has praside that franchise I don't know what he will do once he realice Vick can't trow but thats another story.

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The redskins do not want to waste their time and throw away what they built the last year and a half.

Maybe a team and a coach that might be desperate may want to take a chance. Look at the bottom 5-8 teams in the league right now - they probably wouldn't mind putting up with all his crap as long as they start winning. It would be ironic if he ends up with the Ravens.

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Cut to the chase-you will see the the Burger King guy going over the middle before TO on a Joe team. To Joe, TO is the Anti-Christ. I pretty much feel the same way

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The main reason I think this will happen is because is because everyone on here thinks it wont. Everyone told me I was an idiot when I said PR would not start the 3rd game because Gibbs said PR was his man and Gibbs would never change his mind, Gibbs changed his QB.

I can hear it now, STARTING AT WR FOR THE REDSKINS NUMBER 81 TERREL OWENS.

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[QUOTE=irish]The main reason I think this will happen is because is because everyone on here thinks it wont. Everyone told me I was an idiot when I said PR would not start the 3rd game because Gibbs said PR was his man and Gibbs would never change his mind, Gibbs changed his QB.

I can hear it now, STARTING AT WR FOR THE REDSKINS NUMBER 81 TERREL OWENS.[/QUOTE]


I don't remember anyone saying you were an idiot because of your PR prediction.

Bottom line is....if you know Joe Gibbs, you know TO is NOT his type of player.

And as I stated before.....Where will we find the cap space/money to sign him?

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[QUOTE=irish]The main reason I think this will happen is because is because everyone on here thinks it wont. Everyone told me I was an idiot when I said PR would not start the 3rd game because Gibbs said PR was his man and Gibbs would never change his mind, Gibbs changed his QB.

I can hear it now, STARTING AT WR FOR THE REDSKINS NUMBER 81 TERREL OWENS.[/QUOTE]

Great logic.

So is this boiling down to yet another "I told you so" argument?

Fine then, major props to you for calling the incredibly quick hook of Ramsey, but to be fair you were off by about 2 1/2 games. ;)

I'll be waiting for my props when the Skins don't even give one thought to signing TO.

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[QUOTE=irish]If you recall, TO was not a problem last year and gave 110% and played hurt in the super bowl. I'm not suggesting the skins sign TO to a long term deal (thats when the problems happen) but I am certain that if the skins bring TO in for the remaining 8 games and pay him what he wants (this whole fuss with philly is only about the $) the skins instantly become the favorite to represent the NFC in the super bowl. The skins are close, TO makes them a real powerhouse, its worth taking a shot with TO.[/QUOTE]

he'd have to learn the offense, but besides that, the trading deadline is long gone and the iggles have no intention of releasing him.

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[QUOTE=Matty2k][QUOTE=irish]The main reason I think this will happen is because is because everyone on here thinks it wont. Everyone told me I was an idiot when I said PR would not start the 3rd game because Gibbs said PR was his man and Gibbs would never change his mind, Gibbs changed his QB.

I can hear it now, STARTING AT WR FOR THE REDSKINS NUMBER 81 TERREL OWENS.[/QUOTE]

Great logic.

So is this boiling down to yet another "I told you so" argument?

Fine then, major props to you for calling the incredibly quick hook of Ramsey, but to be fair you were off by about 2 1/2 games. ;)

I'll be waiting for my props when the Skins don't even give one thought to signing TO.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs is also unlikely to give Art Monk's number to a self-serving piece of waste. But set aside the substantial and undeniable obstacles that Owens's character creates. Could it still happen?

Is this going to turn into "Owens will be a Skin before season end", or "Owens will get signed by the Skins in the offseason."? Both are wrong, but here goes...

The Eagles will keep Owens inactive until the offseason in the hopes that someone will trade for him. Who would do such a thing? If there are two teams showing interest, either of them. Remember, Owens is being "Keyshawn-ed", and someone traded for Johnson. Therefore, we won't have him to close the season.

The Redskins currently have over $3.5 million in dead cap money for 2006. [URL=http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm](See here)[/URL] They also have over $109 million in projected 2006 salaries and bonuses. [URL=http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm](See here)[/URL] While there will clearly be some restructuring and cuts, they will likely not be enough to take on the magnitude of an Owens contract. Even an incentive-laden contract would have to have easily reachable incentives to make Owens interested. While incentives offer [u]some[/u] protection, if they are deemed "likely to be reached", they go on the cap figure. Ipso facto, we couldn't afford him.

Besides, even if Snyder overruled all his advisors and his own personal good judgement to treat the franchise like a fantasy team, think of this: would you want Owens on your fantasy team right now? I didn't think so...