Trading Patrick Ramsey
 

I read on Fox Sports that the Skins are considering trading Ramsey for John Abraham once the season ends. I don't know that much about Abraham. Would this be a good deal for the Skins?

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Um... YES.

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like i said in the other thread a few weeks ago that is what i was hoping for in the first place, we need agood DE and abraham=good DE
i never thought it was possible but if the want to, hey i am not complaining

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Damn the skins really love the Jets players huh...

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The Jets would be pretty dumb to make that move straight up.

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i agree, trading p ram (which to us is about nothing since hes a backup QB who has no future with us), for a guy like Abraham who is only 27, and a pro bowl caliber PASS RUSHING DE, this would be a great straight up trade :)

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Link? I also doubt the Jets make that move--would be good for us, especially as Campbell develops. We'll see... we're only at week 9 yet.

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they would be dumb but we would be very smart in the process. ramsey will not play for us ever again barring any type of injry . brunell will be the qb for the next couple of years then the reigns will be for campbell to take and i can not wait. abraham is a beast and with williams scheme he would be a hall of famer for us.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The Jets would be pretty dumb to make that move straight up.[/QUOTE]
or desperate

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I would definately make that trade. Abraham is still young and has some years in him. Plus we are grooming Campbell for the future and having Ramsey would only hurt that progression. If the Jets go straight up, then that is one hell of deal. An unproven QB for a proven DE with good pass rushing skills. Jets would actually end up with the short end of that stick, but I will take it. I like Ramsey and hate to see him go, but its clear Gibbs doesn't think he can do the job. Plus Daniels seems to be hurt alot. He would probably be more productive and stay fresh if he was in a rotation. He could even play some DT, which he is big enough to do now.

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[QUOTE=Carnage]
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Originally Posted by [b]Mattyk72[/b]
[i]The Jets would be pretty dumb to make that move straight up.[/i]

or desperate[/QUOTE]

I think desperate is closer to the truth. Chad Pennington is good, but he's going to be walking with a cane soon. He's as frail as an old lady. I'm sure many coaches have seen game film of the pounding that Ramsey took on a regular basis, but continued to get up and play. Herm Edwards is one of those coaches that believes in supporting his players, almost to a fault, and he probably thinks Ramsey could perform well, given the opportunity. Coles might be dropping hints to him also, since he was Ramseys' favorite target.

If Ramsey could develop into a solid, mid tier QB(Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, etc.), he would be far more valuable to the Jets than even a stud defensive end like Abraham.

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It sounds great and all but what would the cap difference be? I know we need a pass rushing DE but we shouldn't break the bank for anybody.

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Everyone forgets Abraham sitting out the playoffs last season because he said he didn't want to jeopordize his upcoming contract, sounds like a real Gibbs type player, teams just may have a more favorable opinion of Ramsey than we do.

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thing is, it doesnt matter how good ramsey is in the future, he isnt going to do that here, so he is worth jack shit to us. even if we traded for abraham and we got like 5 sacks from him, it would be nice because we gave up someone who is worth nothing to us...just like kwame brown with the wizards. same thing. kwame wasnt going to do anything in washington, just like p ram isnt, so get what u can for him. something is better than nothing

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Abraham isn't going to be traded straight up and where is the salary he'll be seeking going to come from? I doubt we'll be able to pull it off.

p.s. I think Ramsey will be a Skin next year!

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[QUOTE=Wanga Skins]It sounds great and all but what would the cap difference be? I know we need a pass rushing DE but we shouldn't break the bank for anybody.[/QUOTE]

Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.

Still, anything's an upgrade over those two putz-bags Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels -- who finally, at the half-way point in the season got his first sack, but only because the offensive tackle didn’t realize McNabb was going for a pass when they thought he was going to spike it. I mean really, is that not pathetic? That our starting defensive ends can only get to the quarterback if their opponent stands there motionless?

8 games – 1 sack from our two starting defensive ends.

Sad.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.

Still, anything's an upgrade over those two putz-bags Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels -- who finally, at the half-way point in the season got his first sack, but only because the offensive tackle didn’t realize McNabb was going for a pass when they thought he was going to spike it. I mean really, is that not pathetic? That our starting defensive ends can only get to the quarterback if their opponent stands there motionless?

8 games – 1 sack from our two starting defensive ends.

Sad.[/QUOTE]


:laughing-

He did de-cleat him though. :laughing-

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The problem is that no pass rushing DE will want to come here and play square-shouldered Greg Blache conservative run stopping football. Ramsey will not be here next year and I would LOVE to see Abraham here, but isn't his contract up at the end of the season?

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i don't know but we are in desperate need of a pass rushing defensive end. our d-line is sad right now. i think that is one of the key things we need to focus on this year in the draft or in free agency. At this point, i'd be willing to take Abraham, or anyone with good pass rushing skills. What about Kyle Vanden Bosch?

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I actually wouldn't mind seeing Nic Clemons get some more playing time. I think he could be a diamond in the rough

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I actually wouldn't mind seeing Nic Clemons get some more playing time. I think he could be a diamond in the rough[/QUOTE]

clemons looked sick last night... give him a shot!

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KVB is a free agent, so it'd just be about the money with him...

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I thought Ramsey's contract is up after this year. Why would any team trade for him when he will be a free agent at the end of the season.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The Jets would be pretty dumb to make that move straight up.[/QUOTE]

Yes...that would be stupid of the Jets.

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[QUOTE=Kevikazi]I thought Ramsey's contract is up after this year. Why would any team trade for him when he will be a free agent at the end of the season.[/QUOTE]

I think he's under contract through the '06 season. If so, a team desperate enough, like the Jets or Ravens might be willing to take part in some sort of trade.

Of course, he had more value before this season started. If Gibbs truly followed his gut and knew in his heart that Brunell was really his quarterback, and he just didn't have faith in Ramsey, Gibbs should have tried for a trade at the end of last season.

Oh well.

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I can't really say I believe this at all, because for one thing, Joe Gibbs is not going to say a word about dealing any player away during the season.

However, I wouldn't be disappointed at all by this trade if it actually happened!

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.[/QUOTE]

What "overpriced on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent" have we brought in lately??

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also abraham is a free agent after this season so why would we trade for him

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After reading some of the posts, it occurred to me, PR's worth is completely relative to the need of the team on the other end of the trade. I realize that this is not some kind of revelation. However, because we believe he may be worth a third round pick. naturally he could go much higher depending on his demand. In PR's case his upside can be tremendous. To date, he has not been abkle to achieve it. That doesn't mean he won't. I am sure teams can see that. If your not going to be able to draft USC's golden boy, it may be worth much more to you. Possibly the Jets, Baltimore, etc

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we can trade for ramsey for abraham
and sign drew bress or philipp rivers from san diego

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[QUOTE=offiss]:laughing-

He did de-cleat him though. :laughing-[/QUOTE]De-cleat Him? I thought it was a girly hit. He just hit him to the ground while still standing. He should of raped him up and driven him to the ground and made him pay for the mistake. I don't want to see a cheap shot but atleast let him know he was hit.

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There are other QBs on the trading block I would think.
Harrington in Detroit and with Houston possibly getting the #1 pick will they draft Leinhart

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Honestly, Carr isn't a bad QB. I'd be more inclined to trade down and draft some offensive linemen!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What "overpriced on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent" have we brought in lately??[/QUOTE]

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.[/QUOTE]

In the last two years:
-barrow wasn't expensive because he was a risk (just like fiore and harris), patten issn't breaking the bank either, even though he hasn't been super productive.
-portis and brunell got paid a lot (samuels and lavar too), but at least they're contributing and are well above their backups in terms of skill and production, so i wouldn't label them busts.

what about washington/harris/springs/griffin/clark/taylor/marshall, rabach/cooley/moss/sellers/thrash?

They're all performing at or above their contracts, so don't they cancel out the 3-4 "overpaid" players an the couple negliable injury risk players we tried out? over the last two years we really haven't overpaid for bad eggs like we did with trotter/armstead/bruce smith/deion etc in the past.

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My definition of lately is the current front office setup, or Gibbs 2.0 to be exact, and in that case we've had far more hits than misses.

What happened in 2000 isn't even relevant anymore, so why keep rehashing it??

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.
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Ummm... I don't even know how to respond to this statement. So is this an argument against Brunell? Hard to argue aginst him right now. If it isn't then why did you bring it up?
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.
[/quote]
Let's see...he was 27 and in the prime of his career. Yep sounds just like down-side of his career to me. No one could have imagined he would be so worthless. Bad luck on this one.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?
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Armstead actually was a decent ball player for us for a couple years. There's not much of an argument that he was a total waste.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.
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He was older but had led the league in tackles the year before and hadn't missed a game in 7 years. He had knee tendinitis which is almost always temporary. My guess isn't that they "[knew] full well" about his knee. They woudln't have signed him if they did. Again bad luck on this one.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?
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Well he ended up sucking but he wasn't really over priced and certainly wasn't on the down-side of his career.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.
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So are you giving him til the end of the season or not? Putting him a group like this sounds like making a judgment to me. Make up your mind.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.
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While I'd agree he looks more and more overpriced every game he isn't on the down-side of his career. I am still more convinced it is the design andnot the runner at this point.
[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.[/QUOTE]
Seems to me you picked out a bunch of guys who are at worst mildly questionable and at most were actually quality players.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Everyone forgets Abraham sitting out the playoffs last season because he said he didn't want to jeopordize his upcoming contract, sounds like a real Gibbs type player, teams just may have a more favorable opinion of Ramsey than we do.[/QUOTE]

Thank You. I couldnt agree more. Everyday Gibbs talks about how proud he is of guys playing injured and these are regular season games. Abraham sat out in the playoffs when his coaches thought he was ready to play. Even TO wasnt that selfish. Abraham is not a Joe Gibbs kinda player so theres no doubt that he wont be traded for Ramsey. Remember the Jets called the skins early in the season looking for a trade. Im sure Abraham was on the table then and joe gibbs didnt bite and Im sure he wont change his mind anytime soon.

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Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

everyone besides you considers lately as in "since gibbs got here" instead of including the horrible spurrier era GM'ing...