Gregg Williams Has Some Explaining to Do!
 

His "schemes" have been torched for 36 points 2 out of the last 3 games and seem to give up big play after big play in all of our games.

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opponnets our doing their job.....watching film on us!!

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werent you guys making him the heir to joe gibbs throne in the beginning of the season?My my how quickly we turn on him.

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Why in the hell would you rush the passer continuously when you haven't even gotten to him once and you were getting toasted on the passing game is beyond me. I'm not saying play soft but, damn, can't you at least protect the sorry ass backup safeties we have? They were getting burned the whole game for god sake.

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To be fair we got some banged up bodies on this D. However, I remember Buddy Ryan once saying that attacking type defenses always look better at the beginning of the season. As the season progresses--teams adjust and exploit the aggressive nature of the D.

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G Williams is not forcing Walt Harris to play up on the WR on 3rd down plays. Harris did the same thing against Philly and missed the tackle. Carlos Rodgers has to the starter. Playing him sporadically is not good.

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[QUOTE=sniks]werent you guys making him the heir to joe gibbs throne in the beginning of the season?My my how quickly we turn on him.[/QUOTE]

The tide turned in the 2nd half of the Seattle game, when Alexander starting running all over us. We were lights out the first 2 1/2 games. Since then, our defense has only shut down the Eagles, which may have had something to do with the T.O. factor.

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keep in mind that the offense handed them a TD. and of course there were some questionable calls. still the D is not looking good. i think that we really need some quality DLmen.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897]keep in mind that the offense handed them a TD. and of course there were some questionable calls. still the D is not looking good. i think that we really need some quality DLmen.[/QUOTE]

The Defensive gameplan was a gamble today....stack the box to take away the run, and hope the rookie doesn't make the big pass plays to counter the blitz. Well, that's exactly what the 3rd year rookie did...burn us each time.

Can't say it was G. Williams' fault. We were minus Griffin and Taylor, arguably two of our best defensive players. The strategy to stack the box was a good gamble to take. It's not just Harris, Rogers and Prioleau were extraordinarily average too.

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Our D has got to get to Collins next week or we may see the same thing happen. Porter and Randy Moss will kill us next week if we don't get presure on Collins. I was watching the game and everytime Simms took a snap I started counting 1 thousand one..... 1 thousand two... I got to 1 thousand 4 a lot, which means Simms had too much time... Rogers, Harris, Springs, all of our secondary guys looked bad because the front four could not get any pressure.

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]His "schemes" have been torched for 36 points 2 out of the last 3 games and seem to give up big play after big play in all of our games.[/QUOTE]
That man is a defensive genius:yeahright ..oh shit dallas is ranked ahead of us in defense.... :hitfan:

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897]keep in mind that the offense handed them a TD. and of course there were some questionable calls. still the D is not looking good. i think that we really need some quality DLmen.[/QUOTE]

Defense is no doubt lacking, and giving up big plays, but our offense is still crapping the bed when it comes to feild position and turnovers. [b][i][u]How can everyone not see that?[/u][/i][/b]

We gave up alot of points and took points off the board because of turnovers, and yes penalties. How big of a momentum killer was that holding penality that brought back the Moss play? How big of a momentum killer was the Brunell fumble that took the chance away for 7 points?

Also don't forget we got 7 points off a KO return and 7 off a great defensive play. That knocks the offensive point total to 21.

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[QUOTE=gortiz]Defense is no doubt lacking, and giving up big plays, but our offense is still crapping the bed when it comes to feild position and turnovers. [b][i][u]How can everyone not see that?[/u][/i][/b]

We gave up alot of points and took points off the board because of turnovers, and yes penalties. How big of a momentum killer was that holding penality that brought back the Moss play? How big of a momentum killer was the Brunell fumble that took the chance away for 7 points?

Also don't forget we got 7 points off a KO return and 7 off a great defensive play. That knocks the offensive point total to 21.[/QUOTE]

Yes our Offense gave a few turnovers away, however we did put up 35 points against the NFLs #1 defense. I would say that whenever one scores 35 points you should win the game. Our defense gave up 36 points. I dont see the blame coming towards our offense totally responsable for the loss. Anytime you score that many points, over 95% of the time you should win. Our defense let us down yesterday, our offense let us down, and our coaching let us down with some play calling and the refs, all in all it was an all around effort to lose that game, not the offense.

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]The tide turned in the 2nd half of the Seattle game, when Alexander starting running all over us. We were lights out the first 2 1/2 games. Since then, our defense has only shut down the Eagles, which may have had something to do with the T.O. factor.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly! Our offense did fine but our d got smoked too often.

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I'm a Greg Williams fan and still am. I think his schemes are fine but teams are catching on and more importantly he's missing some talent.

But I was upset at the D on the final drive yesterday. There's 1 minute left, they have no timeouts, a rookie QB and 40+ yards to cover. It's criminal to give up the deep pass there. We hadn't gotten pressure all day despite the blitzes. Plus our secondary was a disaster all game. Why gamble and leave the game in the hands of Prioleau or Harris or whoever? As soon as I saw our blitz picked up and the ball in the air I knew we were dead. We are that weak back there.

Why give Simms an out by completing one long pass? Give the guy the short dumpoffs, let the clock run and let's see if he can march all the way to the end zone. Plus by giving him the small stuff you are slowly shrinking the field on him making things tougher and tougher. The previous series they drove the ball all the way to our 10 before stalling. Part of the reason they stalled was the shorter field deep in our zone.

A VERY disappointing day from the D yesterday.

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]His "schemes" have been torched for 36 points 2 out of the last 3 games and seem to give up big play after big play in all of our games.[/QUOTE]


To be fair, Tampa Bay with the #1 rushing D in the league yielded 185 yards on the ground and 35 points.

Just to put it in perspective.

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Yeah I wonder if Bucs fans are calling for Monte Kiffin's head today.

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LOL Probably.

We may have lost, but we exposed Tampa's defense.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]I'm a Greg Williams fan and still am. I think his schemes are fine but teams are catching on and more importantly he's missing some talent.

But I was upset at the D on the final drive yesterday. There's 1 minute left, they have no timeouts, a rookie QB and 40+ yards to cover. It's criminal to give up the deep pass there. We hadn't gotten pressure all day despite the blitzes. Plus our secondary was a disaster all game. Why gamble and leave the game in the hands of Prioleau or Harris or whoever? As soon as I saw our blitz picked up and the ball in the air I knew we were dead. We are that weak back there.

Why give Simms an out by completing one long pass? Give the guy the short dumpoffs, let the clock run and let's see if he can march all the way to the end zone. Plus by giving him the small stuff you are slowly shrinking the field on him making things tougher and tougher. The previous series they drove the ball all the way to our 10 before stalling. Part of the reason they stalled was the shorter field deep in our zone.

A VERY disappointing day from the D yesterday.[/QUOTE]



What you sat is absolutely correct, however I'm still of the opinion that our last posession of the game before TB scored the tying TD was the most critical. We should not have given them the ball back with that much time on the clock the way our defense was in retreat. We should have taken a reasonable approach to gaining a first down, and running out the clock. I'm just not convinced that running play gave us the best opportunity.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]What you sat is absolutely correct, however I'm still of the opinion that our last posession of the game before TB scored the tying TD was the most critical. We should not have given them the ball back with that much time on the clock the way our defense was in retreat. We should have taken a reasonable approach to gaining a first down, and running out the clock. I'm just not convinced that running play gave us the best opportunity.[/QUOTE]


What is your definition of a "reasonable approach" to getting the first down? If you pass the ball on that 3 and 2, and it falls incomplete, you leave the Bucs with even more time on the clock to drive down the field, or even worse, you through an INT and they return it for a touchdown. The most reasonable approach to gain a first down, in that situation, was made. We just didn't get it.

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Read a comment attributed to Philip Daniels after the game yesterday. He said that this loss should be hung on "us" - meaning the defensive unit. He said that when the team gets 35 points, it's supposed to win and if it does not then the defensive unit is at fault.

You know, I think he's right and I applaud him for his candor...

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Yep! I'm with ya SC. Even though we turned the ball over in the first half, the offense did their part - especially in the second half. It was on the defense to hold their offense and they didn't get the job done.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]What is your definition of a "reasonable approach" to getting the first down? If you pass the ball on that 3 and 2, and it falls incomplete, you leave the Bucs with even more time on the clock to drive down the field, or even worse, you through an INT and they return it for a touchdown. The most reasonable approach to gain a first down, in that situation, was made. We just didn't get it.[/QUOTE]


Reasonable Approach; in that situation would have been to run a play with more than one option, maybe a play simuilar to the one we ran to convert our only 4th down of the game.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Read a comment attributed to Philip Daniels after the game yesterday. He said that this loss should be hung on "us" - meaning the defensive unit. He said that when the team gets 35 points, it's supposed to win and if it does not then the defensive unit is at fault.

You know, I think he's right and I applaud him for his candor...[/QUOTE]

Amen, and props to Daniels for being a standup guy. He's totally correct. The Offense scores 35.....................mark it a W.
I have to say, after what I saw and what I have read, for the first time in my life do I blame the officiating as well. Bad calls happen, and sometimes they influence game outcomes. I thought this was an EXTRAORDINARY level of incompetence on the officiating crew. I'll not re-re-hash on all the ANGRY details as we all saw the game!!!!!

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Williams is without 2 of his most important players on defense isn't he? Griffen and Taylor, we know the rest of our player are average at best on the line, Springs had been in and out of the lineup.

And yes Rogers worries me, he doesn't look like he has the enough speed to really hang in with NFL recievers.

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Quality depth is difficult to come by with the salary cap, but this depth we have cannot keep getting torched as much as they have been in the past. I can't question the coaches as much as the players simple do not let their asses get behind you. Don't give them the one shot over the top. Things get tight for any offense inside the Red zone all bunched up. How do you over and over again get burnt over the top. It has to be something more than just speed, if it was all it was we should torch everybody every play with Moss speed. He gets his fair share but most of his have been YAC besides the two in the Dallas game. Seemed like some confusion, is Lemar Marshal getting them lined up correctly in certain situations. The D does seem a little more confused this year with him calling the D and getting them lined up. Many times still hopping around when the ball is snapped on the front line jumping side to side that late does not help you get up the field and put pressure on the QB. Gregg Williams knows his players and if he was not comfortable with their abilities, he would pull them. There was some mix ups in this game as well as Taylor being a big loss. He has good recovery speed even if he does have a bad read.

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I'm still pissed that we let Tampa get 36 pts, even though penalties were partially responsible.

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The more I think about this the more I have to say Gregg Williams shouldn't have to take a hard look at his schemes. When your system for 98% of the plays keeps them out of the endzone and the numbers/stats show you are getting it done it is not the scheme. I may be way off base but individuals give up big plays not a scheme. Big play after big play showed a single player getting burned. The run stop is strong, but players are getting run by in the secondary. I know I even said keep Springs out to cover, but still many times that leaves 2 receivers still to cover. The schemes match you up with your abilities and let's face it the secondary he is working with this year are getting burned on zone coverage many times thats just fundamental football cover your damn man.

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[QUOTE=jermus22]I'm still pissed that we let Tampa get 36 pts, even though penalties were partially responsible.[/QUOTE]

Dont forget 14 points off turnovers. Especially the one where they started on like the 5.

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i kind of wonder if we could have been better off trading down/taking a DE and picking up fabian and D williams instead...

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i think we should pick our spots to blitz alittle better than just all out chaos 99% of the time.if you know youre thin in the secondary,and one of your corners hasnt been playing well,then maybe you try to protect him with some zone and some double teaming.and this all revolves around pass rush.why isnt lavar in the game on third down rushing the passer?and no,im not one of the skins fans in love with lavar

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Having Sean Taylor back will definitely help defend against the pass. With his range and intimidation factor. It definitely is intimidating to go out for a pass knowing he might light you up if the ball is thrown your direction. I hope Griffin comes back soon though - he's one of our most physical players. IMO, Arrington is better right now at blitzing up the middle and attacking the rb rather than lining him up strictly to pash rush on the outside. There's no doubt he should be out there on 3rd downs tho, even with 4 wideouts.