Walt Harris Sucks
 

This guy is horrible. He couldn't tackle for crap against the Eagles and this week he gets beat by a 4th string wideout on a fly pattern. Then to top it off he jumps offsides on an extrapoint trying to make up for it. There has got to be some one better. Heck call Barry Wilburn out of retirement!

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gus, i think we all are in the same boat with you

:spank: :spank: :spank:

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Next thing you'll be calling for is a return of Stanley "the Sheriff" Richard to fill in for the injured safeties.

That won't work either...

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You know, after yesterdays game, I knew there would be a thread with this title lol. Seriously, though, he does miss tackles and he plays inconsistantly. Which is the problem with phillip daniels as well, and with a couple of other people on our team. I don't expect anyone to be perfect all the time, but when in one game you look decent, and in 2 or 3 you miss several tackles, blow coverage, make stupid penalties, etc... something has to be done.

It is suprising, however that we have a rag-tag d-line, and we can shut down runners (after fixing that right side [i]somehow[/i] ;) ) but after addressing the secondary during the last couple of offseasons extensively, we have gaping holes in our passing defense occasionally. The middle of the field was wide open for the taking yesterday, and a terrible QB made us look stupid. That shouldn't happen.

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guess meathead (ST) is fairly important then... and griffin as the only real DL threat.

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Not only is he missing tackles and getting torched, but he and other DB's have a problem hitting the right angles going after ball carriers. They need to bench Harris and start anyone else that can cover "sometimes" and make tackles. Making a tackle is a lost art in the NFL. Just running into people with hopes of them falling is the norm. That is to be expected though....if a blade of grass touches a persons knee, he is down. "Back in the day", you had to wrap them up and keep them down. That does not seem to be taught these days.

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[QUOTE=carldoc]Not only is he missing tackles and getting torched, but he and other DB's have a problem hitting the right angles going after ball carriers. They need to bench Harris and start anyone else that can cover "sometimes" and make tackles. Making a tackle is a lost art in the NFL. Just running into people with hopes of them falling is the norm. That is to be expected though....if a blade of grass touches a persons knee, he is down. "Back in the day", you had to wrap them up and keep them down. That does not seem to be taught these days.[/QUOTE]

I think springs is one of the best wrapup tackling corners in the league, and harris had some moments of greatness last year, but he seems to be slipping pretty quick.

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Was Stanley Richard really that bad?

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]I think springs is one of the best wrapup tackling corners in the league, and harris had some moments of greatness last year, but he seems to be slipping pretty quick.[/QUOTE]

Can, I was talking about tackling in the league as a whole. As far as Harris slipping, too late...he fell flat on his face.

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Why was Pierson Prioleau even playing in the game? I know Taylor is hurt but what about Bowen, at least he hits hard, Prioleau looked like such as scrub. Harris should be benched in lue of Rogers, I know he is a rook but I would rather have a rook get torched and look bad (learning from his mistakes) then have Harris as a vet embarrass our organization week in and week out.

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I was wondering about Bowen myself. I suppose maybe Pierson Prioleau is faster than Bowen...but he certainly appeared to be caught out of position quite a bit. I just hope Taylor is healthy and back in there this week.

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As Major Hochstetter would say about Walt Harris "WHAT IS THIS MAN DOING HEEEERRRRREEEE!

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Yeah and he should be sent to the Russian Front. Even then, he wouldn't be able to cover himself with a blanket.

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I hate to beat a dead horse here, but the guy is horrible. I thought so before we had the bye week.

If we play Rogers at this point, I don't think there will much of a dropoff, if any.

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I will go on record....put in Jimoh at least he would have grabbed the guy or something.

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[QUOTE=saden1]Was Stanley Richard really that bad?[/QUOTE]

He was one of the worst tacklers I've ever seen.

As for the secondary, with a lack of any consistent pressure up front, it's really making their job more difficult than it should be. QBs have all day to let their WRs get open, that's a tough task for any DB.

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In response to the Harris sucks : I do believe that although he was beaten like a drum on some plays it was not all his fault. Looking back, on a couple of the deep balls he looked like he was allowing the receiver to get by him, assuming he had help deep. I am fualting our #20(I have retired from trying to spell his last name) more than anyone. Play after play he was late, sometimes not even getting there. Springs and Harris both were trying to talk to him on the sideline after a couple of those deep balls. I believe they were trying to explain what coverages they were playing. Corners in the NFL are only as good as their D-lines pass rush. I dont care what corner it is, if they have to cover a WR for more than 4 seconds or so, the WR is going to get open. I believe thats what benefitted our D last year and in the early going this year. The games we get no pressure in the back field are the games we are giving up the big plays. Whether is LB or Lineman, somebody has to get pressure. Harris is just one of the Average CB who needs a good pass rush to look good. There are only maybe 2 or 3 guys in this league that can flat out cover someone(contradicting my earlier statement) and we gave one of them up a couple of years ago. Smoot is getting exposed in Minnesota too. I have seen him get beat several times this year.

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saden1:

Stanley Richard was as effective at safety as a snowman. Even before the Redskins acquired him via free agency, Richard was the weak link in the Chargers' secondary.

Here's something to look for. During the ramp up to the Super Bowl, you''ll have the opportunity to see the game films of all the previous Super Bowls. When you find that the SF/San Diego game is on, watch it or tape it or TiVO it. SF scores 4 very early TDs and in each case the guy who is beaten in the end zone - or at the three yard line going into the end zone - was Stanley Richard (#24).

His idea of a fundamentally sound tackle would be to wrap his arms under the runner's shoulder pads and then try to bulldog him to the ground. Using that technique, he routinely game up about 3-5 extra yards to a runner after he made the initial contact. :frusty:

Was he really that bad? He may have been worse...

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I have a bunch of friends who are Bears fans and when we picked up Harris they all warned me that he would cost us 2 games all by himself by missing tackles and wandering around the secondary in a general daze. I didn't see what they were talking about during the first few games but it looks like he's showing his true colors now.

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I would rather see Jimoh in there... honestly, dont laugh, but i would rather see jimoh start along side springs.

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[QUOTE=jamf]I would rather see Jimoh in there... honestly, dont laugh, but i would rather see jimoh start along side springs.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding? This guy couldn't cover me one on one. And I am SLOW!!

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Richard and Harris are close. Throw in Elvis Patterson for the Giants from a few years back. He earned the nickname "Toast" by his team mates. Want to guess why? Yet, he has a Ring. Right time, right place I guess.

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Here's a snippet from NFL.com's TMQ.

"Stop Me Before I Blitz Again! Washington leading City of Tampa 28-21, the Bucs faced third-and-9. Since the average NFL play yields about six yards, all the Redskins had to do -- anyway it's a six-blitz, 46-yard completion. Two snaps later, Washington six-blitzed again, touchdown pass. Now it's Washington 35, Tampa 28 with 1:05 remaining, Bucs on the Skins' 30. Blitz; Edell Shepherd is single-covered deep, touchdown and the stage is set for the fateful ending."

Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe our secondary gets hurt because we blitz too many guys? That's what you get for not having a pass-rush from the front four.

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Well said Ramseyfan. We need someone (especially at DE) coming off the edge and making QBs run for their lives without blitzers having to help. I also agree with the comments earlier about Harris being an average CB who needs help from the pass rush. Harris really was solid as the nickelback last year, and he had a few good games early this year. He's really not a bad player; we were just hurt by Taylor's absence and the lack of a pass rush. It's funny how some fans turn the tables on a player when things go bad. Earlier in the season he actually did a very nice job tackling; just look at the Dallas highlights. Still, I'm hoping we put Rogers in soon. Experience will be the only thing that makes the rookie get better.

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As for Stanley Richard, he may have led the 'Skins in tackling for a few years but that was only because our front seven stunk so badly. And yeah, he wasn't a good tackler.

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I can't believe that we are lamenting Walt Harris' poor tackling skills and wishing we had Smoot back in the same thread. Maybe time has fogged our memories of Smoot, but he wasn't the type to act as a demo in a tackling drill.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I can't believe that we are lamenting Walt Harris' poor tackling skills and wishing we had Smoot back in the same thread. Maybe time has fogged our memories of Smoot, but he wasn't the type to act as a demo in a tackling drill.[/QUOTE]
lol

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I heard on the Skins Podcast, that before the Eagles game, Gibbs had a special tackle drill and the players jokingly called it the "Walt Harris Drill". Anyone else hear about this or did I miss the thread or post somewhere?

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]I heard on the Skins Podcast, that before the Eagles game, Gibbs had a special tackle drill and the players jokingly called it the "Walt Harris Drill". Anyone else hear about this or did I miss the thread or post somewhere?[/QUOTE]

Either way thats funny!

But I did hear something about naming drills after peope or something like that.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]Either way thats funny!

But I did hear something about naming drills after peope or something like that.[/QUOTE]

You can get the podcast or direct mp3 download here:

[url]http://skinny.mysportsradio.com/[/url]



It was funny hearing it. Rusty said its one of those drills you can't just take Harris aside and humiliate him, yet the whole team knows why they are doing tackle drills (going for kill shots instead).

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It's still funny to me that we're criticizing Harris' tackling ability after praising him for doing so well earlier in the year. Heck, I read a report in the Sporting News praising his technique and tackling on a month ago. Funny how we turn the tables on a good player after he has a few bad weeks. Here's to hoping he rebounds and knocks Randy Moss out of the game this Sunday. :bdh:

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It doesn't take much to go from hero to goat and vice versa.

It's all about what have you done for me lately.

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At this point, Helen Keller can probably watch a wide out better than Walt Harris. Like I said before: WHAT IS THIS MAN DOING HEEERRREEE"!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It doesn't take much to go from hero to goat and vice versa.

It's all about what have you done for me lately.[/QUOTE]

that puts a bit of a harsh tone on it, but honestly it is the nature of the business. Weren't we saying in the preseason that Antonio Brown was looking like not only a great STeamer, but some of us, the coaching staff, and the media were looking foreward to him having a "breakout" recieving season. Also Patrick Ramsey was supposed to lead this team to the post season and be around for a while ,but that doesn't seem likely.

I think in this business if you start to slip, other teams see that and turn you into a liability, and you either correct your problem, or your team corrects it for themselves.

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[QUOTE=Wolfgang]At this point, Helen Keller can probably watch a wide out better than Walt Harris. Like I said before: WHAT IS THIS MAN DOING HEEERRREEE"![/QUOTE]

Lol, that may be taking it just a pinch far. The guy is in the NFL. Maybe he's just had a bad week.....ok, maybe weeks.....I do hope he gets to the point where he's making tackles again.

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stanley richards was horrible,ade jimoh is worse.i get the feeling that carlos rogers must not be showing much at practice,otherwise with harris' bad showing the last couple of weeks,he would probably be on the field alot more