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Here's the problem in a nut shell, Gibbs will do whatever it takes to keep a team in the game, he coaches scared, all I heard all week long is how well our running game is in short yardage, and how Gibbs made the right call's on our last possession last week, believe whatever you want, the fact is he's been hyping Portis as a between the tackle RB, yet in the first quarter on 4th and inches on the raiders 40 he punt's, when our defense has not allowed the raiders to remotly move the ball up until that time, THAT'S RIGHT PUNT'S! I guess talk is cheap the fact is he has no confidence in our ability to run the ball 4 inches in the opposing teams territory, there's our big time running game! What's the excuse now, it was to early in the game to take a chance, that's a very scary word for Gibbs, CHANCE, along with RISK, and AGGRESIVE, not in his vocabulary.

Turnovers will not be tolerated, well unless your last name begins with a P, or a B.

Jacobs showed today he doesn't have the speed to run past defenders, or size to out position them. Yes Bailey said he's one of the toughest player to cover, but when was the last time Champ actually covered someone?

Until Gibbs get's the killer insticnt back we will continue to spin our tires as a team.

Portis= 50 mil. I prefere his latest name, dollar bill, now there is a name I can associate Portis running abilities with! :Flush:

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[QUOTE=offiss]Here's the problem in a nut shell, Gibbs will do whatever it takes to keep a team in the game, he coaches scared, all I heard all week long is how well our running game is in short yardage, and how Gibbs made the right call's on our last possession last week, believe whatever you want, the fact is he's been hyping Portis as a between the tackle RB, yet in the first quarter on 4th and inches on the raiders 40 he punt's, when our defense has not allowed the raiders to remotly move the ball up until that time, THAT'S RIGHT PUNT'S! I guess talk is cheap the fact is he has no confidence in our ability to run the ball 4 inches in the opposing teams territory, there's our big time running game! What's the excuse now, it was to early in the game to take a chance, that's a very scary word for Gibbs, CHANCE, along with RISK, and AGGRESIVE, not in his vocabulary.

Turnovers will not be tolerated, well unless your last name begins with a P, or a B.

Jacobs showed today he doesn't have the speed to run past defenders, or size to out position them. Yes Bailey said he's one of the toughest player to cover, but when was the last time Champ actually covered someone?

Until Gibbs get's the killer insticnt back we will continue to spin our tires as a team.

Portis= 50 mil. I prefere his latest name, dollar bill, now there is a name I can associate Portis running abilities with! :Flush:[/QUOTE]


11 TDs out of 15 in the redzone is not exactly scared coaching, but Gibbs does coach conservatively which has not affected our defenses inconsistent bad play. We have given up 6 big plays in six games and it's finally catching up with us. We put up 35 points against the 1# defense and loss due to Mr. Walt Harris.

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I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt [B]again[/B]? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.

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BTW, I was just looking at some stats and while the 2 fumbles by Portis did really hurt the team, I would like to point his 2 fumbles today were numbers 2 and 3 on the year! And Ladell, in limited action, has had 2, both of which he lost.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt [B]again[/B]? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.[/QUOTE]

I think we have seen something that has been discussed but not at length. Clinton Portis is not a work-horse RB. He's getting tired and because Cartwright isn't either and Betts injured, he was forced to handle to workload and thus fumbled twice. I have seen him in the past take himself out of the game to get a breather. I think we activate the rookie Nehemiah Broughton. He looked damn good in preseason and every NFC team has given their rookie RBs playing time. It's time to change the RBs situation and put Sellers in as a blocker in the I formation. We have to get Jimmy Farris in camp and sign him. This Rich Parson looked like he was still in preseason.

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I agree with those points. I would also agree that maybe Portis isn't a workhorse type back. He's certainly not the prototypical workhorse. I think they do need a spell back like Betts, I was just hoping that we weren't going to get back to the "Betts should start" arguements.

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Portis only had 22 carries today, which is pretty much what he averages. He didn't necessarily carry an extra workload today

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Again, I think it was turnovers that left us to playing catch up by throwing the ball more than we would have liked.

As I've been sobering up and looking at the silver lining (which isn't THAT silver, but it's something), at least we've seen an improvement this year. We have to stop being so streaky, but hey, at least we've BEEN on some streaks this year.

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:sleep:

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt [B]again[/B]? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.[/QUOTE]


I have alway's felt that Betts was a better fit for us than Portis, but the reality is the guy can't stay healthy, his best position is as a quality backup. My actual solution to the Portis problem is well documented, it was not to trade for him in the first place, Shawn Alexander could have been had for less than what we gave up for Portis and a much better fit for Gibbs, or we could have used draft pick's for either Kevin Jones, or Stephen Jackson, I really liked Julius Jones as well coming out, but he seems to be a lot like Betts at this point, very good when healthy.

But that's water under the bridge now, we have to fix what we have, and the only way to do that is to use Portis on draw after draw, that's where he is best, allowing the defense to come up field and then let him use his speed and cutting ability to take advantage of that, it doesn't seem our line has really grasped the zone blocking concept that we were supposed to be running this year, Portis had a nice run that was called back on a zone blocking play, but it seems whenever he has a big gain it's on a draw, or a cut back play, and then we never see it again.

I am not a Portis hater per say, I just didn't see him fitting in to what Gibbs does on offense, Portis can easily recapture his production he had in denver but Gibbs has to change how he uses him on a consistant basis, after a year and a half and he still hasen't adjusted, I don't believe Gibbs will.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I have alway's felt that Betts was a better fit for us than Portis, but the reality is the guy can't stay healthy, his best position is as a quality backup. My actual solution to the Portis problem is well documented, it was not to trade for him in the first place, Shawn Alexander could have been had for less than what we gave up for Portis and a much better fit for Gibbs, or we could have used draft pick's for either Kevin Jones, or Stephen Jackson, I really liked Julius Jones as well coming out, but he seems to be a lot like Betts at this point, very good when healthy.

But that's water under the bridge now, we have to fix what we have, and the only way to do that is to use Portis on draw after draw, that's where he is best, allowing the defense to come up field and then let him use his speed and cutting ability to take advantage of that, it doesn't seem our line has really grasped the zone blocking concept that we were supposed to be running this year, Portis had a nice run that was called back on a zone blocking play, but it seems whenever he has a big gain it's on a draw, or a cut back play, and then we never see it again.

I am not a Portis hater per say, I just didn't see him fitting in to what Gibbs does on offense, Portis can easily recapture his production he had in denver but Gibbs has to change how he uses him on a consistant basis, after a year and a half and he still hasen't adjusted, I don't believe Gibbs will.[/QUOTE]

Kevin Jones isn't exactly tearing things up. Then again, he is with Detroit. But I recall you being pretty happy with the trade when Portis was traded. Granted, not with the contract but with what he could do under a Gibbs offense.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Kevin Jones isn't exactly tearing things up. Then again, he is with Detroit. But I recall you being pretty happy with the trade when Portis was traded. Granted, not with the contract but with what he could do under a Gibbs offense.[/QUOTE]


You should recall a little harder because your a million miles off base with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=offiss]You should recall a little harder because your a million miles off base with that statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url]

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]
OOOOUUUUUCCCCHHH!!!!! That hurt!!! :spank: :spank:

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5"]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]

That 20/20 hindsight got a little cloudy? I did not..................have sex .........with that woman!!!!!! That you Bill? How bout' them Razorbacks!!!!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]

Jordan fades back, SWOOSH....AND THATS THE GAME. No further questions, your honor.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]


priceless....

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Pwned

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Pwned[/QUOTE]


No doubt!!!

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In the immortal words of Wu-Tang, TAFKAS ain't nuthin to 'F' with

Or something like that. :)

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Guess it was just too much to hang with the big boys.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]
Ba-Zing!

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I really dont know where not going for it on 4th down, just across mid field was stupid. It was early, we are winning. where is the logic. Going for it there is something Spurrier would have done, and we saw how many games he won. However, not running the ball when we are leading late in the 4th quarter I thought was pretty stupid. We come out and throw the ball 3 straight times, incomplete. Two were deep balls down the side line to our #4 receiver, Jacobs. I really dont understand why we are throwing the ball with 7 minutes to go and averaging 5 yards per carry. If you want to critisize the coach, go after something that makes no sence, or is totally out of character. And critisize GW for calling Blitzes like he did AGAIN at the end of the game. Just like the Tampa game, he blitzes people leaving mismatches all over the field. That doesn't make alot of sence. We haven't been able to get pressure all day, what makes you think we are going to get it at the end of the game when they have been in Max protection since the 2nd quarter!! Again, a bad call by GW at the end of the game. No body should be that wide open with 3 min to go in the game, unless you send 8 people on a blitz, which is what he called for. and again on the Jordan flare pass. Its plays like this that make me feel like I am watching the skins of the past 7 or 8 years. Play close to everyone and find a way to lose the game. No matter if its the best team in the NFL or the worst.

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the oakland raiders are a better team than the washington redskins.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I agreed with your post up until the shot at Portis. He had a good game aside from the 2 fumbles. So...let's look at the fumbles. The first lead to 3 points...that didn't break the team's back. What killed the Skins was the 23 yard run he had called back right before the fumble.

The second, I remember happening, but I don't remember if the Raiders scored on the ensuing possession, while I believe they did, they shouldn't have. They took over at like their own 35 or 40. The D should have been able to stop them from scoring. In addition, I am of the belief that Clinton was down and the play should have been challenged, but that really doesn't matter now.

Finally, I would like to know what your solution to the "problem" with Clinton Portis would be. Start Ladell Betts who got hurt [b]again[/b]? What about last week when Portis averaged around 6 yards a carry? He averaged over 4 this week, which isn't bad, he just had 2 giveaways, I know that hurt, but that's a particularly bad day. Niether of them killed the team. The D just needed to step up more than they did, and I agree that Joe should be putting teams away, but he plays tenative.[/QUOTE]You say the three points from the turnover did not break the teams back but we lost by three points. Its not Portis its everyone who is putting the ball on the ground.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]TAFKAS takes the 3 and 0 fastball down the middle and....

In this week's edition of Warpath Rewind, we put egos in check. We take you back to July 2004 when a certain "football man, not a football fan" expoused his opinion on what kind of running back was missing from a Gibbs offense and just who would be a great fit for that offense. Perhaps even the greatest back ever to play in that offense. Mr. Most Knowledgeable has since changed his opinion but apparently publicly denies ever having that opinion in the first place.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=20327&postcount=5[/url][/QUOTE]


What else is new did you bother to pull up the posts I made before the trade came down? No! because you only want to post what you want to hear, you know darn well I was dead set against the trade before it happened and insisted Portis was a system back time and again, and that for him to succeed we would have to institute the denver style blocking system, yes all before the trade was made, and you know it, you just didn't want to put it up there I wonder why? I said I believed Portis could run the counter trey as effective as our other 3rd down backs but wasen't an everydown type back for Gibbs system and the fact is you know those posts are out there, and yes before the trade, once the trade happened you hope for the best, but the fact is I alway's maintained I didn't like the trade and didn't want it, and you just refuse to put up post after post saying that, do me a favor if your incapable of putting up the whole truth then don't post any!

Whats the matter you couldn't fit every link backing my statement that I never wanted Portis on 1 page?

It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.

I guess it's eating you up that I was right about Portis from the get go.

1 post trying to find something to hang our hat's on with that trade doesn't trump or erase a 100 saying otherwise, why don't you post them if you really are looking to find truth?

Bottom line my statement was I didn't want him to begin with, pull up some posts before the trade, and see what I was saying. we both know what they will say because if they said otherwise you would have posted them.

I do have to admit though Portis isn't remotly as good as I had hoped to give him credit for in that post, glad to see your still on the Portis band wagon though, that is until Gibbs tells you to think otherwise!

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[QUOTE=offiss]What else is new did you bother to pull up the posts I made before the trade came down? No! because you only want to post what you want to hear, you know darn well I was dead set against the trade before it happened and insisted Portis was a system back time and again, and that for him to succeed we would have to institute the denver style blocking system, yes all before the trade was made, and you know it, you just didn't want to put it up there I wonder why? I said I believed Portis could run the counter trey as effective as our other 3rd down backs but wasen't an everydown type back for Gibbs system and the fact is you know those posts are out there, and yes before the trade, once the trade happened you hope for the best, but the fact is I alway's maintained I didn't like the trade and didn't want it, and you just refuse to put up post after post saying that, do me a favor if your incapable of putting up the whole truth then don't post any!

Whats the matter you couldn't fit every link backing my statement that I never wanted Portis on 1 page?

It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.

I guess it's eating you up that I was right about Portis from the get go.

1 post trying to find something to hang our hat's on with that trade doesn't trump or erase a 100 saying otherwise, why don't you post them if you really are looking to find truth?

Bottom line my statement was I didn't want him to begin with, pull up some posts before the trade, and see what I was saying. we both know what they will say because if they said otherwise you would have posted them.

I do have to admit though Portis isn't remotly as good as I had hoped to give him credit for in that post, glad to see your still on the Portis band wagon though, that is until Gibbs tells you to think otherwise![/QUOTE]

You say time and time again how you're so smart and you know it all. And you always said this and said that. And everything is well documented and you're right....it is well documented. Such as in the post I linked where you say that Gibbs is the perfect fit for a Gibbs offense. I don't see the term "denver system" anywhere in there. I don't deny that you were against getting him. I know you were. [url]http://thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=367&postcount=65[/url]

But being against the trade isn't the same as saying Portis wouldn't fit in this offense. There are plenty of people I'm sure who would say that Brunell fits well with this offense, but it wasn't worth the money and 3rd rounder?

Like everyone else on this site I know plenty about football. But more importantly, I, like everyone else, knows there's a lot that I still have to learn. And we're not afraid to admit it when we're wrong. We're not so insecure that we can't. Well all of us, except for one person. Wonder who that is?

But, in an effort to ease the tension here I will take off my moderator cap for a minute and I'd like to sing you a [URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-516445979491966758&q=%22south+park%22]song[/URL]

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That song was probably a bit out of line. Conduct not befitting a moderator. I apologize

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[QUOTE=offiss]
It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.
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Just shut your mouth jabroni! If you never gave TAFKAS's opinion or anybody else's opinion a second thought, you'd wouldn't be posting retorts trying to make yourself out to be some kind of genius when it comes to football. If this was the case, you'd be coaching an NFL team right now and winning Super Bowls. But, since neither is happening, your opinions are just what they are, opinions. You might dress them up as fact to suit yourself, but the rest of us are fully aware that they mean about as much to us as the chewing gum stuck to the bottom of your velcro sneakers.

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[QUOTE=offiss]
It's good to know you pay so much attention to what I have to say, kind of funny I never really gave your opinions a second thought that's how informative you are about football, must kill you to be such a fan and really have no real knowledge of the game, you were probably 1 heck of a cheerleader in your day.[/QUOTE]
Just so I can be in awe of your great football knowledge, please tell me what makes you such a "football man" and not a "football fan". Really what are your accomplishments that alow you to make such statements? I would think that with someone of your self-proclaimed greatness would be working with a NFL team and guiding them to the next super bowl.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Just so I can be in awe of your great football knowledge, please tell me what makes you such a "football man" and not a "football fan". Really what are your accomplishments that alow you to make such statements? I would think that with someone of your self-proclaimed greatness would be working with a NFL team and guiding them to the next super bowl.[/QUOTE]


Basically it comes down to this it's not so much my superior understanding of football but the lack of understanding by others, if my opinion conflict's with others constantly than that's why some people would like to attack me from the know it all angle, because they can't do it with their knowledge of the breakdown of the game, so they will look for the charactor assasination angle to help make themselves feel smarter, I am not the one who continually starts in with the personel attacks, some posters will accuse me of this or that and so I am backed into a corner to have to say I said this then, or that then, basically I usually just offer an opinion but many times it conflicts with what others believe and so they make it personel, as we saw Tafkas try and do, he knows he had to go through probably a 100 posts backing everything I said in that post but instead of posting a # of posts to show I was right or at least said what I said, he found the one post out there contrary to try and make me look bad, I said what I said, but I have also tried to get on board with what Gibbs is doing in the hopes that I AM WRONG, because I want to win first and for most, I also had to second guess myself to believe that a hall of fame coach would be so stupid to make the trades that he did without seeing something that I wasen't I HAVE ADMIT I WAS WRONG, the intent of the link is what ticked me off becuase he know's otherwise, why not post a few links along with that one, and then ask why I wrote what I wrote in that 1 post? Am I the only one who tries to find a silver lining in a cloud on this board, there are plenty of guy's here who are against certain moves, but try to look on the bright side because it's not like the moves are going away because we don't like them, but the fact is this is an opinion board, the fact is if you want to say I am a know nothing no it all fine, but it's usually because the person saying it is. Personel attacks are brought forth when an individual really has no means to dispute but can't handle being wrong, or left out.

I could go on and on about all the Ramsey backers and everyone who soon as we made the trade decieded to back Brunell just because Gibbs made the trade, I don't, because I really don't concern myself with looking for little petty posts to try and discredit what a person has to say, just because an individual jumps off one band wagon to another doesn't really bother me, everyone has the right to believe and write what they want, disagreeing is what makes this board fun, if someone accuses me of something or anyone else for that matter what is the refrence to back it up? Yes it's a previous post, I just get called out a whole lot more because I am not a redskins can do nothing wrong kind of guy, I believe in telling it like it is, if someone want's to dispute that Portis up until this point was not a great move, or how bout just a good move, or an OK move than do it, just do it with facts not your wrong and then personel attacks.


What is anyone accomplishments have to do with posting about a team, or anything else for that matter, what does that have to do with right and wrong, it's meaningless, it's kind of like telling someone you can't succeed in life if you don't have college credentials, as if it's immpossible to know anything if someone didn't go to college or a better school than you did.

Did Gibbs ever play in the NFL? Yet I do beleive he's in the hall of fame.

I am sure everyone at the grocery store believed Curt Warner was going to be a SB QB, as well as league MVP, I am sure that got a few laughs around the produce section when he tried out.

Notice how I didn't need to hear your list of credentials, I am more than capable of figuring out your knowledge of the game without doing a background check, your posts speak for themselves, as so they do for the rest of us.


I would never, and I mean never, question your credentials to have a right to have your own opinion on anything!

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Hey maybe your right, where do I get off questioning your "superior understanding of football". I mean after all you have never questioned anyone else. I do come here to state my opinions, but in doing so I try not to come off as high and mighty as some others. They are my opinions and when I state them very rarely do I not post them with some sort of fact or stat to back them up. I do not tell others that they are only a mere "football fan" and not a "football man" nor do I tell others that they must have learned football in the "twilight(SP) zone".

I am not afraid to admit that there is alot about the sport of football that I do not know, and by coming here to this site I try to gain useful insite to expand my knowledge of the game. However, when I come here and see posts that I do not agree with I try to argue with out the personal attacks, such as the few noted above. I am sure people do not apprecitate being told that they are a "football fan" and not a "football man". Basicly, tell that person that they are not at the "superior understanding of football" yet and why bother posting.

I do agree with some of your assesments of the game and others I do not. And when I dont and replied to them I did add facts or stats to back them up. Maybe people would not come at you with a "know it all" angle if you could step off your high horse and not start reply posts out as you did this one.

"Basically it comes down to this it's not so much MY SUPERIOR UNDERSTANDING of football but the LACK OF UNDERSTANDING BY OTHERS..."

Re: Scared To Win!
 

[QUOTE=offiss]Here's the problem in a nut shell, Gibbs will do whatever it takes to keep a team in the game, [/QUOTE]

See i agree here i hate that thing where he plays for the last possesion....damn that is rough i wanna see the skins go down swinging ... not go crazy but put someone away..so yeah scared to win....

Re: Scared To Win!
 

I really like you offiss. You and I have tended to agree on a great many issues and debates. Moreover, you've been a very valuable warpather - you post often and the quality of the posts is typically very good.

But, you may want to clarify some of your posts in this thread. Some of them do sound cocky. I know that oftentimes posts are misinterpreted or do not communicate what the author was trying to say. So, perhaps you've been misinterpreted.


PS (to everyone) - All will be forgotten once the Redskins get back to their winning ways. In the meantime, let's just chill a little.

Re: Scared To Win!
 

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I really like you offiss. You and I have tended to agree on a great many issues and debates. Moreover, you've been a very valuable warpather - you post often and the quality of the posts is typically very good.

But, you may want to clarify some of your posts in this thread. Some of them do sound cocky. I know that oftentimes posts are misinterpreted or do not communicate what the author was trying to say. So, perhaps you've been misinterpreted.


PS (to everyone) - All will be forgotten once the Redskins get back to their winning ways. In the meantime, let's just chill a little.[/QUOTE]


Thank you for that RF right back at you, and your right I may come off cocky at times, but I am not a cocky person by any means, I also never go on a personel attack until provoked by one, and sometimes I do get dogmatic because of a personel attack, which I can handle, but it does lead to a heated confrontation about who's right, and then that's where I usually start with I said this, or that, backing myself up, I don't like to do it, but it's done more so to prove a point not to put anyone down, it is at the very core of the game and the forum to see who get's it right, I enjoy that type of debate as I sure many others do as well, I have no problem with agreeing to disagree, but personel shots? We can all do without them. :)

Re: Scared To Win!
 

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]See i agree here i hate that thing where he plays for the last possesion....damn that is rough i wanna see the skins go down swinging ... not go crazy but put someone away..so yeah scared to win....[/QUOTE]


Did you see his press confrence where he was asked about the 4th and inches? He said he didn't go for it there because the defense was just locking down the raiders offense, and Gibbs was worried that if he didn't make a 4th and inches that he would give momentum to oakland, well that pretty much summned up this thread.

To me that's a major contradiction, if your defense is shutting a team down cold, shouldn't that allow you to have more confidence in taking a chance on 4th down? Especially at the oakland 40 yard line, how about taking the inititive and creating some momentum of our own by going out there and getting a first down in that situation? If you by chance don't make it then you have a defense by his own admission that had oakland locked down until that point. That statement say's it all, he would rather rely on the defense to stop a team than attack with the offense to win it, and that leaves the opposition within striking distance late in the game.

And it goes even deeper than that, we all know including Gibbs we are not getting a call from the ref's in a big situation regardless of the reasoning why, every week Gibbs spends who knows how much time putting together a highlight reel of the referee's greatest hits that they just happen to overlook, or flag us for something that never happened, and yet knowing this is going on on a regular basis he's not trying to put the dagger in teams any which way he can to avoid a bad call late in the game which probably will cost us the game as we have all become so accustomed to seeing.

That statement by Gibbs tells me he's coaching scared, I wish he would stop treating these games as life and death situations and lighten up a little and attack, take some chances, it's not war, people are not going to die if on occasion it doesn't work out.