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Yeah, I said it....

I want to bench Brunell and get Campbell some live fire reps before the next season.

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Maybe in 2 weeks when the skins are officially out of the playoff chase.

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Yea wait till were out of it. No need to trash the season when were 5-5.

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Why bother, Brunell will be back as the starter again next year in all likelihood.

If we drop 4 or 5 in a row, yeah maybe give Ramsey or Campbell a start. But at 5-5 it's not time to fold up the tent just yet.

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I would hold off on benching Brunell for a few weeks (when we are completely out of the playoff picture), but I ultimately would endorse such a move (I know Gibbs has been waiting on my endorsement). It utlimately comes down to what is in our best long-term interests. Brunell has played very well this season, but he's 35 and he can't have more than a season or two left in him.

If the season is done, why not give the reigns to Campbell and let him get some experience? We can always go back to Brunell at the start of next season.

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I wondered how long before the Jason Campbell threads began. Give us a couple more losses before I would agree with you though, You gotta keep the faith.

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I agree it would be nice to get Campbell some game time this year but feel its alittle to early to give up on the season.

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Too early to be talking about JC, dude.

We'll be fine.

I think at this point we should be hoping Tampa loses some games.

I have a feeling that's who we'll be competing against for a PO spot.

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Wait til all chances go up in flames.then it would be prudent. also we can then check out nemo.

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If were offically out, I agree. This isnt anything against Brunell, but as was said. We have took look to the long term future of the Redskins. I wouldnt mind seeing Campbell getting a few games under him, even IF Brunell is going to be our qb next season.

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We have little to no spark on offense. Remeber when Ramsey came in late last season? That lit everyone up and I think it would give Campbell a great way to take the reins.

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I think the answer is to ask paulskinsfan what we should do, let funandgunner reiterate the decision....and hope that matty doesn't ruin it somehow

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]We have little to no spark on offense. Remeber when Ramsey came in late last season? That lit everyone up and I think it would give Campbell a great way to take the reins.[/QUOTE]The offense has only had to games I would say they had no spark.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I think the answer is to ask paulskinsfan what we should do, let funandgunner reiterate the decision....and hope that matty doesn't ruin it somehow[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately my ego wouldn't allow that to happen.

:postcop:

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If the "Brunell experiment" fails this year, it will show that Gibbs did in fact make a terrible error in judgment by signing him and making him the starter this year.

The decision to start Brunell looked brilliant for a couple games, and it still could turn out that way. However, if we finish 8-8 or 7-9, I think Coach Gibbs will deserve some flack for benching Ramsey and anointing Brunell the starter, especially because it will mean being back at square one when it comes to the QB position.

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I would love to see Campbell play....let us see what we gave the world up for. I mean, this year is cooked and I do mean well done.....so let us see what the kid has! It will never happen though.

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Is this joke? bench brunell!! are you kidding. We are only two games out of the division and wild card. We play the G-Men and Cowboys at home. Have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way compared to those two. And Carolina has to play tampa twice, and Atlanta twice. 9-7 gets us in, and like last year 8-8 could get you in. not saying it will, but last year if a couple of games go our way and we go 7-9, that would have gotten us in. Stop with all the bench Brunell crap. He did not lose this game. He has 14 TDs and 5 ints. and ranked in the top 10 of QB stats. To say bench brunell you can't possibly be watching the same games. Without him, we dont win 5 games. If anyone bench the defensive play caller for the past two weeks. GW has made some costly decisions to have all out blitzes at the end of games when we need to stop big plays. If you haven't noticed our Blitzes have only been doing one thing, and thats give up big play after big play!

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Campbell being the 3rd stringer isn't getting many snaps nowadays. So if it soes happen, don't get your hopes up too high.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]We have little to no spark on offense. Remeber when Ramsey came in late last season? That lit everyone up and I think it would give Campbell a great way to take the reins.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but last year it was clear that Brunell was a HUGE problem. I dont think its like that this season.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Is this joke? bench brunell!! are you kidding. We are only two games out of the division and wild card. We play the G-Men and Cowboys at home. Have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way compared to those two. And Carolina has to play tampa twice, and Atlanta twice. 9-7 gets us in, and like last year 8-8 could get you in. not saying it will, but last year if a couple of games go our way and we go 7-9, that would have gotten us in. Stop with all the bench Brunell crap. He did not lose this game. He has 14 TDs and 5 ints. and ranked in the top 10 of QB stats. To say bench brunell you can't possibly be watching the same games. Without him, we dont win 5 games. If anyone bench the defensive play caller for the past two weeks. GW has made some costly decisions to have all out blitzes at the end of games when we need to stop big plays. If you haven't noticed our Blitzes have only been doing one thing, and thats give up big play after big play![/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they should bench brunell, but he did play bad last game. No way was this game the defenses fault. They scored more points than the offense and only let up 16 to a great offense. Our offense played bad this game, and some of that blame has to go to brunell. The quarterback gets the ball every play, so some of it has to be his fault.

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As long as a winning record is still possible you stick with Brunell. Brunell is not the problem...he fumbles to much but yesterdays prblem was protection. That may have been the worst game of Jon Jansen's life. He was a turnstyle out there...

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]If the "Brunell experiment" fails this year, it will show that Gibbs did in fact make a terrible error in judgment by signing him and making him the starter this year.

The decision to start Brunell looked brilliant for a couple games, and it still could turn out that way. However, if we finish 8-8 or 7-9, I think Coach Gibbs will deserve some flack for benching Ramsey and anointing Brunell the starter, especially because it will mean being back at square one when it comes to the QB position.[/QUOTE]

I don't see Brunell as the problem right now at all. He's had 2 bad games this year. If it weren't for him we'd be a lot worse off than 5-5.

I wouldn't say he's an experiment either, he firmly entrenched himself as the starter this year and I fully expect him to be back as the starter again next year.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]I'm not saying they should bench brunell, but he did play bad last game. No way was this game the defenses fault. They scored more points than the offense and only let up 16 to a great offense. Our offense played bad this game, and some of that blame has to go to brunell. The quarterback gets the ball every play, so some of it has to be his fault.[/QUOTE]

The defense play a good game until the end. as usual. The fault has to start with the coaching staff on this game. The defensive calls at the end of the game has cost us two games. Blitzing like crazy against TB at the end cost us and Blitzing at the end yesterday cost us. If you are not pressuring the QB during the game, why try at the end of the game when the Raiders needed to get down field. which they did. And for the second week in a row, GW has the middle LB covering a WR. I dont care who the middle LB is, that is a HUGE mismatch every time. The offense yesterday went away from the run WAY too early. Portis touched the ball 8 freakin times in the second half. He was averaging 5 yards a carry and we stopped running the ball in the 2nd half. Why did we not run when we are up 3 points. we threw the ball 5 out of 6 plays, both times we were 3 and out. I fault the coaching staff. Brunell was is a bad position in the second half. We had only one receiver(Moss) and Jacobs couldn't get open with my mother covering him. Which is more of a reason to run. Brunell was trying to make plays(that Gibbs and Co. were calling) down the field. They were just not there. He either threw the ball where only his receiver was going to come down with it, or the ball went out of bounds. How many times did he go back to pass and get flushed out and have to throw the ball away, too many. when a defense knows you are going to pass, the d-line does nothing but attack the QB, we did nothing to offset that, no screens , draws, pitches or anything.

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Brunell is the MAN. No matter how poorly he may play in the next few games, he must NOT be replaced. He will come through for the SKINS and as a result the SKINS will be in the playoffs. If you want to blame others on the team, OK. But Brunell is the man to get the job done. If he can't do it nobody can.

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[QUOTE=Skinnydo]Brunell is the MAN. No matter how poorly he may play in the next few games, he must NOT be replaced. He will come through for the SKINS and as a result the SKINS will be in the playoffs. If you want to blame others on the team, OK. But Brunell is the man to get the job done. If he can't do it nobody can.[/QUOTE]
If Brunell does not lead us to the playoffs this year, would you be up for starting Campbell or someone else next year?

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]If the "Brunell experiment" fails this year, it will show that Gibbs did in fact make a terrible error in judgment by signing him and making him the starter this year.

The decision to start Brunell looked brilliant for a couple games, and it still could turn out that way. However, if we finish 8-8 or 7-9, I think Coach Gibbs will deserve some flack for benching Ramsey and anointing Brunell the starter, especially because it will mean being back at square one when it comes to the QB position.[/QUOTE]

I think you're a little to late on the argument of Joe Gibbs' signing of Brunell. Mark has more than proven himself a leader and a very good quarterback for us. Even alot of the doubters of Mark Brunell changed their tune. Mark has played great for us since the Dallas game. One or two weak games from him is by no means grounds to bench the guy.

I don't think Gibbs will deserve flack at all if we finish higher than what we did a year ago. The offense has improved dramatically from a year ago, but the defense hasn't. That isn't a direct reflection on Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell. If anything, other than the team giving the ball up way too much, Gibbs has done his job in getting this offense competitive and able to score more than a TD a game (minus game one and yesterday's game.)

You just have to be patient. This team has been a loser since he left the first time. A tweak here and there can do wonders for this team. We're extremely close in being a "Joe Gibbs" team that finds a way to win Sunday in and Sunday out. We all want to win now. Haven't we learned our lesson with how that normally goes?

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brunell should finish out the year. as far as next year it's anyones guess. maybe there will be an open competition. i would lean towards brunell starting next yr too though.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I think you're a little to late on the argument of Joe Gibbs' signing of Brunell. Mark has more than proven himself a leader and a very good quarterback for us. Even alot of the doubters of Mark Brunell changed their tune. Mark has played great for us since the Dallas game. One or two weak games from him is by no means grounds to bench the guy.

I don't think Gibbs will deserve flack at all if we finish higher than what we did a year ago. The offense has improved dramatically from a year ago, but the defense hasn't. That isn't a direct reflection on Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell. If anything, other than the team giving the ball up way too much, Gibbs has done his job in getting this offense competitive and able to score more than a TD a game (minus game one and yesterday's game.)

You just have to be patient. This team has been a loser since he left the first time. A tweak here and there can do wonders for this team. We're extremely close in being a "Joe Gibbs" team that finds a way to win Sunday in and Sunday out. We all want to win now. Haven't we learned our lesson with how that normally goes?[/QUOTE]
Believe me, I was there arguing against Gibbs' decision last year to sign Brunell and then this year to start him at Dallas. And right after the Dallas game (in which Brunell was lousy except in the fourth quarter), I changed my tune and supported Brunell and Gibbs' decision.

All I am saying now is that it might be time to reassess the decision. Brunell has played poorly in three of the past five games, and had led us to a 2-5 mark in the past seven games. He has six fumbles in the past six games. (Gibbs used to jump all over Ramsey for fumbling.)

I know it's not all on Brunell, and I hope he has a great game in the do-or-die bout with the Bolts. But, right now our record speaks for itself. We're a .500 team with an all right QB.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]If Brunell does not lead us to the playoffs this year, would you be up for starting Campbell or someone else next year?[/QUOTE]

YES! If Brunell does not lead us to the promise land this year, then go all the way with Campbell next year. However, we must stick with Brunell for the remainder of this year, regardless of wins or losses. That way, when Campbell does get the job he will be able to play with the same confidence as Brunell, knowing that Gibbs will not be second guessing his every move.

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Mark Brunell has made the entire league recognize his ability to find the open receiver no matter how difficult the pass. He has been in the top Ten QBs rating all year and has earned the respect of his team mates something Ramsey nor Campbell can do in their stages of development. It is a shame that a fan of the Redskins could be so shallow to call for the replacement of the Brunell when he is the main reason we even have five wins. First the argument was the offense doesn't score enough TD's. Then that became history. Now Brunell is the reason for the loss yesterday and should be replaced. Now who in their right mind......Boy I can't even finish this thread because it's too ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]Believe me, I was there arguing against Gibbs' decision last year to sign Brunell and then this year to start him at Dallas. And right after the Dallas game (in which Brunell was lousy except in the fourth quarter), I changed my tune and supported Brunell and Gibbs' decision.

All I am saying now is that it might be time to reassess the decision. Brunell has played poorly in three of the past five games, and had led us to a 2-5 mark in the past seven games. He has six fumbles in the past six games. (Gibbs used to jump all over Ramsey for fumbling.)

I know it's not all on Brunell, and I hope he has a great game in the do-or-die bout with the Bolts. But, right now our record speaks for itself. We're a .500 team with an all right QB.[/QUOTE]

There is no way possible that Patrick Ramsey is going to come in and be the same efficient leader that Mark Brunell has been. There is no way the Jason campbell comes in and outplays Mark Brunell; he doesn't have the experience level to do it yet. I don't think Brunell played poorly against the Eagles. In fact, I thought he played a heck of a game. I also dont' believe he played poorly against the Bucs, you have to put that loss on our defense and their defense. The only games that Brunell has played poorly in since his start has been the Giants game and yesterday's game. Even in yesterday's game, I would say calling his play poor is completely accurate. It wasn't as good as his other games, it was about a 50-50 game.

Mark Brunell gives us the best chance to win. He still does. There are so many variables that goes into the equation of why this team is only at 5-5 right now, and it isn't all on Mark Brunell nor Gibbs' decision to start him. Starting Jason Campbell now signifies that you give up on this season with six games left to play and a .500 record. Jason Campbell will get eaten alive, and we will end the season at 5-11. I'm not okay with that. If we end the season at that record with Brunell playing the whole way, then fine, let's start the young guy, but why on earth would anybody consider starting Campbell when you're 5-5, six games to go? It doesn't add up.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]We have little to no spark on offense. Remeber when Ramsey came in late last season? That lit everyone up and I think it would give Campbell a great way to take the reins.[/QUOTE]

We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple

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I think we are all overacting on Brunell. The reason the Skins are losing is because the "D" can't stop the big play, (or very many plays for that matter) and in the 2nd half Sunday, I blame what I thought was very poor play calling on our inability to come back. There were several series late in the game when Brunell dropped back to pass 3 straight times and had three straight incompletions when we had 2 WRs (thrash and patten) out of the game. Way to go Gibbs, play to our strenghts! And all of those bombs to Taylor Jacobs, were a joke.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple[/QUOTE]

:banghead: .... hmmmmmm Ramsey LOL. Come on man get real.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Is this joke? bench brunell!! are you kidding. We are only two games out of the division and wild card. We play the G-Men and Cowboys at home. Have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way compared to those two. And Carolina has to play tampa twice, and Atlanta twice. 9-7 gets us in, and like last year 8-8 could get you in. not saying it will, but last year if a couple of games go our way and we go 7-9, that would have gotten us in. Stop with all the bench Brunell crap. He did not lose this game. He has 14 TDs and 5 ints. and ranked in the top 10 of QB stats. To say bench brunell you can't possibly be watching the same games. Without him, we dont win 5 games. If anyone bench the defensive play caller for the past two weeks. GW has made some costly decisions to have all out blitzes at the end of games when we need to stop big plays. If you haven't noticed our Blitzes have only been doing one thing, and thats give up big play after big play![/QUOTE]

I have to agree with 56 I don't know why you give up on this guy so soon he's the reason you have won 4 (1 ramsey won) this team everyone predicted wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 th hole season and he has keep you in contention this far. and I'm sorry brunell didn't lose the past 2 games your Def did it. in the one vs Tampa Bay he was the one dispite his errors early i nthe game came back not only to tie the game but to give you a 7 point lead with 2 min to play and your D gave in.

And last sunday I'm sorry you had a defensive strugle game all teams do and yes Brunell didn't had a great game but he didn't lost it GW and your def did it placinga LB (marshall) to cover Porter PLEASSSEEE he did the same mistake last week puting marshall to cover Gallowey and it also resulted in a TD and in a game where both offense are strugling you cant give the easy play and your Def did it.

He's your best chance to make it to the playoff why do you give up so easily we have had bad games of bledsoe 2 games Ican easily recall is the Seattle game where he trew the int that at the end of the game that made us lose it and last week he had a bad game onl 104 yards passing but still I wouldn't change our QB for nothing i nthe world he gives us the best chance to win.

And brunell right now gives you the best chance

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]I have to agree with 56 I don't know why you give up on this guy so soon he's the reason you have won 4 (1 ramsey won) this team everyone predicted wouldn't win more then 4 or 5 th hole season and he has keep you in contention this far.

And brunell right now gives you the best chance[/QUOTE]

Ramsey didn't win one he only played a series or two in the bears game.

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thxs for the correction I tought he played almost the hole game didn't saw it but you have put more on my favro so brunell has given you your 5 wins

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]We are going no where with Brunell.... period i wanna see what ramsey can do..he played great at the end of last year.... brunells luck is over that arm is dead again plain and simple[/QUOTE]


You need to read Tony's assessment of the Raiders game. I think it puts things into perspective.

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you guys have got to be kidding.i once thought as redskins fans as some of the most knowledgeable fans there are.but after reading some of these posts,i dont know what to think.we are 2 games out of first with plenty of football left(including games with the g men and dallas)and you guys are ready to trash the season?thats exactly what happens if j c comes in.it isnt a slam on him but playing q back is the most difficult position in any sport to excel in,bar none.does anyone remember the last time a rookie q back started for a team and excelled?please refresh my memory if this has ever happened?

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[QUOTE=dmek25]you guys have got to be kidding.i once thought as redskins fans as some of the most knowledgeable fans there are.but after reading some of these posts,i dont know what to think.we are 2 games out of first with plenty of football left(including games with the g men and dallas)and you guys are ready to trash the season?thats exactly what happens if j c comes in.it isnt a slam on him but playing q back is the most difficult position in any sport to excel in,bar none.does anyone remember the last time a rookie q back started for a team and excelled?please refresh my memory if this has ever happened?[/QUOTE]

Ben Roethlisberger. But for us, I can't think of anyone who had came in as a rookie and had led us to a winning season. I think when Mark Rypien finally nailed down the starting position, he had already been in the league for a year, maybe two.