Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

Discuss.

lol

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Discuss.

lol[/QUOTE]

(big pause)

NO.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

Just out of curiousity, who has more career wins?

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

Joe Gibbs is a good coach.

Hes a bad playcaller.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

Bozzy, what do you get from this kind of post?

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Gibbs is a good motivator, except his offense falls on its face in the 4th quarter.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Bozzy, what do you get from this kind of post?[/QUOTE]

Good discussion.

That's all I want.

This is a discussion forum, last I checked.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

The biggest problem with the 4th quarter offense is that they play not to lose. It's ridiculous. Brunell throws balls away when they need yards more than anything, he doesn't give anyone a chance. It's retarded.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Joe Gibbs is a good coach.

Hes a bad playcaller.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the problem is that he's letting others do the playcalling. Maybe he needs to get more hands on. Sort of like Jim Fassel did a few years ago when he took the playcalling out of Sean Payton's hands.

But I don't think any coach called for Rabach to hold at the end of the game

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Gibbs is a good motivator, except his offense falls on its face in the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]


Defense has let us down the last three weeks, including this one. You can't deny that fact.

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[QUOTE=Bozzy]Just out of curiousity, who has more career wins?[/QUOTE]

Schott, but he's also coached many more years....and he's got no rings

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No, the offense has.

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[QUOTE=Bozzy]No, the offense has.[/QUOTE]


AND the defense has as well. The defense has lost the last three games for us.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Good discussion.

That's all I want.

This is a discussion forum, last I checked.[/QUOTE]

Then why bother with the 'lol' unless you're doing helium or just all giggly? That's not opening the board up to discussion, it's just going to rile people up who are already pissed.

You may just want to **** off to your own discussion board and amuse yourself there.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

No.
Your post is not a question but a statement. Please back it up with as much data as you have before making unfounded statements.

So what is your data for such a broad statement other then this game today?
Super Bowl Rings?
Halll of Fame?


zzz

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

skinsguy - that's a hard line for you to protect. The offense, more specefically, Joe Gibbs offense, has cost us the last three games. Marty just outcoached Gibbs without a doubt.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]skinsguy - that's a hard line for you to protect. The offense, more specefically, Joe Gibbs offense, has cost us the last three games. Marty just outcoached Gibbs without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

How do you figure he outcoached him? Looks like they took the same approach in similar situations. Chargers players just executed better

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

I changed the thread title so it's not so incendiary

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[QUOTE=Daseal]skinsguy - that's a hard line for you to protect. The offense, more specefically, Joe Gibbs offense, has cost us the last three games. Marty just outcoached Gibbs without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

Look. Our defense held this offense all day long, and when it comes to the point in the game where it counts to most to hold them, they don't get the job done. Then of course, we just saw what happened in overtime. That is all on the defense. They made some good plays, but they made some stupid mistakes as well. If you're going to nip pick about the offense, you must also be aware of the mistakes the defense made as well. This is on the defense.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

Our offence choked YET AGAIN

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Then why bother with the 'lol' unless you're doing helium or just all giggly? That's not opening the board up to discussion, it's just going to rile people up who are already pissed.

You may just want to **** off to your own discussion board and amuse yourself there.[/QUOTE]

Well, last week I did not use the 'lol' and people were even more pissed off, so I had to do something different.

And I never stated anything. I posted a topic in the subject and then 'discuss' meaning to *gasp* DISCUSS!!!

This is a discussion forum.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

if we had lt we could make some runs too whoopy do da day
nothin against portis lt is just the best

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Look. Our defense held this offense all day long, and when it comes to the point in the game where it counts to most to hold them, they don't get the job done. Then of course, we just saw what happened in overtime. That is all on the defense. They made some good plays, but they made some stupid mistakes as well. If you're going to nip pick about the offense, you must also be aware of the mistakes the defense made as well. This is on the defense.[/QUOTE]

I was asking Cpayne about this, and I'll ask the rest of you. Are these guys lacking the stamina to play aggressive for 4 quarters? I mean I'd hate to say they're conditioned poorly but sometimes I wonder if that isn't one of the problems

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[QUOTE=Bozzy]Well, last week I did not use the 'lol' and people were even more pissed off, so I had to do something different.

And I never stated anything. I posted a topic in the subject and then 'discuss' meaning to *gasp* DISCUSS!!!

This is a discussion forum.[/QUOTE]

Last time I check "Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs" IS a statement.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Well, last week I did not use the 'lol' and people were even more pissed off, so I had to do something different.

And I never stated anything. I posted a topic in the subject and then 'discuss' meaning to *gasp* DISCUSS!!!

This is a discussion forum.[/QUOTE]

When you post the title as a statement the way you have been, people think that you believe it (whether or not you do) and really you're just looking to start something. It probably would have attracted less attention, or a more even toned response, if you had started these threads during the week. You know, Marty is coming back to town, would we be better off if he was still here? Something like that.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

TAFKAS
I say the Offence can't close a sure win. The D INTs the ball and the Offence can't get 20 yards and a FG.

That is the reason we lost.

Re: Marty Schottenheimer is better than Joe Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Good discussion.

That's all I want.

This is a discussion forum, last I checked.[/QUOTE]

True, but it's kind of like posting a thread "Was Hitler all that bad?" on a website for Jewish Americans. You're kind of asking for it.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

we lack horses, we play not to lose and we find a way to lose with a different culprit every week.i thought this team had turned a corner. i was wrong. they still don't know how to win, i feel as though gibbs doesn't trust this team enough to open it up.our defense did well, even giving 2 turn overs which our offense went 3 and out on both.our line is suspect, our qb can jittery at times. we have te who doesn't want the ball and our defense is not playing well against the run.it seems 3 qrts is about all we can get out of this team.i have to say that i am tired of watching this week in and week out with no end in sight.but, this is my team, but they are letting themselves and us down big time.i'm just tired of this,5 coaches and still the samething.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I was asking Cpayne about this, and I'll ask the rest of you. Are these guys lacking the stamina to play aggressive for 4 quarters? I mean I'd hate to say they're conditioned poorly but sometimes I wonder if that isn't one of the problems[/QUOTE]

That's a good question. People who are blaming this on the offense need to realize a couple of things. First of all, Portis is pretty much having to carry the load. With Betts being out, you lose a very good change up back that compliments Portis - that is going to hurt offensive production. Next, we lose David Patten and all though he hasn't had a spectacular year, like Tony McGee said last week, he is a very valuable guy to lose. This puts more pressure on Moss. You couple that with guys like Robert Royal who can't even catch a cold, that is going to hurt offensive production. When we're having key guys playing hurt or being out of the lineup on our offense, it puts more pressure on the defense to step up and carry the load. Of course we have also had key injuries on the defense as well, but when it comes to the fourth quarter, our defense can stand up to the pressure.

I will say this though, although I stand firm that this was a defense let down when it counted the most, at least the defense did try to make up for their let downs and mistakes by getting some turnovers, which is a step in the right direction. AND...that holding penality on Casey Rabech cost us a very makeable, winning field goal. However, I do believe this defense is only good for three quarters, and our offense isn't strong enough to make up for our defense running out of gas in the fourth, and the same goes in the other direction.

Point - both the offense and defense are too average to carry either one to a victory in close games.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

we lack horses, we play not to lose and we find a way to lose with a different culprit every week.i thought this team had turned a corner. i was wrong. they still don't know how to win, i feel as though gibbs doesn't trust this team enough to open it up.our defense did well, even giving 2 turn overs which our offense went 3 and out on both.our line is suspect, our qb can jittery at times. we have te who doesn't want the ball and our defense is not playing well against the run.it seems 3 qrts is about all we can get out of this team.i have to say that i am tired of watching this week in and week out with no end in sight.but, this is my team, but they are letting themselves and us down big time.i'm just tired of this,5 coaches and still the samething.gibbs is, lt can make anyone look good.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

Skinsguy -- Jacobs stepped up in the #2 receiver role with 4 catches for 44 yards. They spread the ball around nicely. That may be more than Patten has ever gotten. Rock should have gotten more touches, but made it count when he had to.

Fact of the matter is our defense cant put up points and we need our offesne to do that.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

What more can you ask of you defense than intercepting the ball at the 30 in the final 2 minutes so you can have a last second chance? I guess you could ask the defense to old the opposing teams to under 20, which they did through 4 quarters.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]Skinsguy -- Jacobs stepped up in the #2 receiver role with 4 catches for 44 yards. They spread the ball around nicely. That may be more than Patten has ever gotten. Rock should have gotten more touches, but made it count when he had to.

Fact of the matter is our defense cant put up points and we need our offesne to do that.[/QUOTE]

And great defenses find a way to put up points. That is the whole point. I know our offense isn't the best in the league, never claimed so - but to ignore the let down that our defense has had in the last three games if not being realistic in looking at this teams woes.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

[QUOTE=Bushead]What more can you ask of you defense than intercepting the ball at the 30 in the final 2 minutes so you can have a last second chance? I guess you could ask the defense to old the opposing teams to under 20, which they did through 4 quarters.[/QUOTE]


To not allow LT to run at will when it counts the most to stop him. To not cause stupid mistakes. If we're saying that this team has to score 40 points a ball game to win, then that just means you're covering up a defense that is at best average.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]And great defenses find a way to put up points. That is the whole point. I know our offense isn't the best in the league, never claimed so - but to ignore the let down that our defense has had in the last three games if not being realistic in looking at this teams woes.[/QUOTE]

Offence lost these games IMHO by not moving the ball. They had the ball on the 30 for goodness sake. Did you want Sean Taylor to play QB and LaVar to run the ball?

Our Offence is weak...at best.

peace

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Offence lost these games IMHO by not moving the ball. They had the ball on the 30 for goodness sake. Did you want Sean Taylor to play QB and LaVar to run the ball?

Our Offence is weak...at best.

peace[/QUOTE]


All we had to do is not cause a stupid holding penality. We were in field goal range already.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]To not allow LT to run at will when it counts the most to stop him. To not cause stupid mistakes. If we're saying that this team has to score 40 points a ball game to win, then that just means you're covering up a defense that is at best average.[/QUOTE]

Stupid penalties....what about Rabach's which moved us out of FG range?

Who said anything about the defense forcing the offense to score 40 points? [B]How about 1 stinking point in the second half? Had they scored just 18 points in regulation we would have won the game.[/B]

Both sides of the ball need serious fixing.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

The Defence made more Stop plays than the Offence made Go plays.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Stupid penalties....what about Rabach's which moved us out of FG range?

Who said anything about the defense forcing the offense to score 40 points? [B]How about 1 stinking point in the second half? Had they scored just 18 points in regulation we would have won the game.[/B]

Both sides of the ball need serious fixing.[/QUOTE]

I mentioned that at least twice. Go back and reread my posts. Also mentioned the last sentence. Go back and reread my posts.

Re: Who's a Better Coach: Gibbs or Schottenheimer?
 

Sure, the defense does have problems. Can't use just the 4 down lineman to make pressure. Don't have the depth at Corner they use to. But, to blame this game on the defense? How?