Why is Hall's range suddenly below 50 yards?
 

He's kicked 50+ yarders for us befre. Hell, he's kicked 50+ yarders consistently for the Jets. Now his range is suddenly 45 yards? Is this guy fully healthy? If Novak's without a team next year, get him and cut Hall. Hall is primed to be a salary cap liability for next year anyway.

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I think Hall still is not 100 percent back from his injury. That said, I agree: 52-yard field goals no longer are the exception. They're the rule in today's game.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]I think Hall still is not 100 percent back from his injury. That said, I agree: 52-yard field goals no longer are the exception. They're the rule in today's game.[/QUOTE]

He was also kicking into the wind...

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I agree. His kickoffs have been piss poor though.

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was that kick short? i cudnt really tell i thought that it was just off to the right.

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I might be going out on a limb here but it could have something to do with his leg injuries. ;)

Anything over 50 is a difficult kick especially on grass, I say anything over 45 is not an easy kick.

Bottom line is it shouldn't have come down to Hall attempting a 53 yarder.

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Just pray we don't have Feely kicking for us!

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[QUOTE=amorentz]He was also kicking into the wind...[/QUOTE]What wind? I just think he's not 100%.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897]was that kick short? i cudnt really tell i thought that it was just off to the right.[/QUOTE]

that's what I saw 2.

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Is it just me or did everyone have a sinking feeling after the penalty? I saw the pick and was going crazy! Then the two plays and the hold, movem back 10, I started to feel like "here we go again!", then they showed John Hall and he didnt look too sure of himself, before the injury Hall used to be a lil cockey, but he doesnt have that swagger right now. DAMNIT WE SHOULD HAVE WON! How could Rabach hold in that situation? You know that Bugel told them right before they went on the field, no false starts, no holding.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]that's what I saw 2.[/QUOTE]It was a little short and to the right and they said he was not making any kicks over 50 yards in pregame warm up.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine]He's kicked 50+ yarders for us befre. Hell, he's kicked 50+ yarders consistently for the Jets. Now his range is suddenly 45 yards? Is this guy fully healthy? If Novak's without a team next year, get him and cut Hall. Hall is primed to be a salary cap liability for next year anyway.[/QUOTE]


This is not sudden, nor is it recent. It's ongoing.

:dallas: :dallas:

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Leg injuries usually heal, but weaken the leg. 53 yards is anything but easy or the norm (ask Nate Kaeding, as he missed 2 from 40+). wind or no wind, i don't think he got all of it, and if he did, then it's time we get a long FG/kickoff specialist.

I wouldn't call 50+ the rule, I'd still call it the exception. There are only 8 (of 38 who've attempted at least 1 FG this year) kickers that have 4 or more attempts from 50+, and only 2 that have made 4 or more. Neil Rackers is having an out of his mind season. There are plenty of guys that have the leg, but the accuracy starts to wain considerably after 40 yards.

Racbach had a holding call or 2 earlier in the game (which I don't recall hearing his number called too many times this season), and I think the refs were specially looking at him. There is holding on every single down...

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Hall is a good kicker...He's money from 42 and in where they would have been without the holding penalty. 50+ kicks are tough for any kicker even at 100%. Blaming Hall for yesterday is barking up the wrong tree.

It's old news since it happened under a previus regime but if the Redskins in general had a little more patience with kickers we would still have David Akers today.

Regardless, John Hall had nothing to do with yesterdays loss..

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine]He's kicked 50+ yarders for us befre. Hell, he's kicked 50+ yarders consistently for the Jets. Now his range is suddenly 45 yards? Is this guy fully healthy? If Novak's without a team next year, get him and cut Hall. Hall is primed to be a salary cap liability for next year anyway.[/QUOTE]
Novak doesn't have the leg to be a consistent long fieldgoal threat kicker in this league. I think if he was so great like a bunch of us seem to think he'd have caught on with someone. He is a stop gap kicker who is great when your number 1 guy is down but he isn't an answer a kicker. Hell if Hall is healthy he is a quality kicker. He may not be as regarded as others but he is at least consistent. I imagine his past leg injuries may have hampered him abit. The question is whether he can fully heal and stay healthy. I'd guess not. We need to examine other options in the off-season as a precaution. Novak is not a real option.

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he's hurt, novak has no power, hence all the blocks... we've got no answer right now.

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we got 1 good yr out of hall,he's been hurt since then and probably will get hurt again,plus his kickoffs are lucky to make it to the 10 yrd line,most of the time there about at the 15 yrd line,if we can get a kicker we need to get one,we definetly need a punter,if we could get a punter that kicksoff deep and can attempt the longer field goals,then maybe keep hall

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]we got 1 good yr out of hall,he's been hurt since then and probably will get hurt again,plus his kickoffs are lucky to make it to the 10 yrd line,most of the time there about at the 15 yrd line,if we can get a kicker we need to get one,we definetly need a punter,if we could get a punter that kicksoff deep and can attempt the longer field goals,then maybe keep hall[/QUOTE]We have a very good punter in Tom Tupa who was put on injury reserve before the season started. He was top in the NFC in distance last year and third in the NFL. We did not release him so we must want him back next year. Hall is just fine as a kicker I just worry about his injuries. We need to look long and hard before we replace Hall because he is very dependable when we need a field goal in clutch situations. I cannot remember him missing a clutch kick except for last week but its not fair to put that one on him.

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He's been injured and still isn't 100%. Pretty much obvious.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]We have a very good punter in Tom Tupa who was put on injury reserve before the season started. He was top in the NFC in distance last year and third in the NFL. We did not release him so we must want him back next year. Hall is just fine as a kicker I just worry about his injuries. We need to look long and hard before we replace Hall because he is very dependable when we need a field goal in clutch situations. I cannot remember him missing a clutch kick except for last week but its not fair to put that one on him.[/QUOTE]
I dont blame last week on him at all,but he's been injured the past 2 yrs and him and tupa are getting up there in yrs,kicking is a big part of winning in the nfl and they are not dependable,in Halls 1st yr here he probably makes that kick,but injuries are catching up to him,plus Tupa was ok,not great,but definetly better than who we have now,i think we should have utilized tupa better,he's an x-qb,we should have tried some fakes with him

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Tupa is younger than Sean Landeta (43) (just signed by the Eagles) and is as old as Jeff Feagles. That's the thing about Punters and Kickers...they don't take the abuse like other players, and end up with long careers. A solid veteran punter can take you a long way. However, there are only a handful of punters that handle kickoff duties...

Hall will be fine. He missed a 52 yarder into the wind, and we're ready to write him off. Up until that kick, he had hit everything this year.