Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

He's my favorite player. I have not 1, but 2 jerseys for him, the 2nd one is personalized and only says "LaVar" on the back. That being said......do we consider trading him? Before the knives are thrown, let me throw something out for discussion. We have ther personnel to adequately substitute for LaVar. Marshall could go back to playing the weak side, and we could find another middle LB. What our team needs, is 3 starting D-lineman. Other than Cornelius (whom, by the way, I love to scream his name in that Planet of the Apes female voice when he makes a play "Cooorneeelussss!") we don't have a quality starter on the D-line. We have several great back-up players, but no one who consistently plays solid the entire game. So, we move Lavar, pick up a decent starter and a 1st or 2nd round pick, and save some cap room.

Before the bloodshed, just let me say Im not advocating this, Im throwing this out for discussion. That being said, I'll drop down as the bullets fly.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I will be pissed if we get rid of him b/c he is the face of this team! That's the problem with the NFL today, you can't keep anyone on a team for any length of time. The truth be told, we probably will end up getting rid of him and we will be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for him. I hope like hell that we keep him, but I'm starting to doubt that we will.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

If we could absorb his cap hit I would consider dealing him for a top DE.

I doubt it would happen though.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I hope it is possible for us to keep Lavar, but we are in need of building that defensive line.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=murphy196]I will be pissed if we get rid of him b/c he is the face of this team! That's the problem with the NFL today, you can't keep anyone on a team for any length of time. The truth be told, we probably will end up getting rid of him and we will be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for him. I hope like hell that we keep him, but I'm starting to doubt that we will.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I hate free agency because you can't keep talent together. Here's an idea I had: Why doesn't the league impose some type of salary cap exemption. For example, if you are drafted by a team and play out your rookie deal, than that same team can forgive up to 25% of your next deal on their books. So, say Sean Taylor plays out his deal and another team offers him 20 mill over 4 years, the Skins could sign him to the same deal and it would only count 15 million against the cap. That way, teams are rewarded for drafting well by being able to sign their free agents. In addition, teams would not mind taking chances on "developmental" players in the draft because they have a chance of signing them when they are free agents. The problem with drafting someone like Jason Campbell is that lets say he rides the pine again next year, then in year 3 he kicks ass. Well, the Skins basically paid him for 2 years to "learn the system" and when he starts playing like a bad ass they only benefit from drafting him for 3 years before someone steals him in free agency. Just a thought.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

What are the salary cap implications if we dealt him? Somehow I doubt we could absorb it, especially since we got nailed with the Coles trade.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I say keep Lavar as long as his salary cap number is not seriously hurtin us. I think Williams can get him to play with in the system, it will take some time.
Regarding our D-line, Griffen and Salavea are keepers. Salavea is great run stopper, he is inexpensive and a good player when not hurt. We just need to develop some situational pass rushers, one at DT to go with Griffen and two DE's so we can sub out our current run stoppers. Then our D-line would be set. We cannot go out in free agency and pay big money for pass rush DE's. Lets draft them, it will leave more money to fix our other weakness'.
For example we need another young CB to replace W. Harris, and a soild SS would round out our D and we would be awesome. Our defense alone would get us to the promise land!

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]We also need another young CB to replace W. Harris.[/quote]

Wasn't that Carlos Rogers?

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Wasn't that Carlos Rogers?[/QUOTE]
We need one more, Springs and Harris are starting to get old. Harris in particular can not be counted on to start anymore, so if we have an injury to Carlos or Springs we would be screwed. When a defense can succesfully play man to man on the corners, it makes the rest of the Defense SOOO much better. QB's would fear our blitz, with Lavar, Washington, Sean Taylor and company taking turns blitzing we would be awesome. The our pass rushing problems would be gone.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

Trade Arrington before June 1, his salary cap figure for 2006 would go up $800,000 from where it is now. Trade him after June 1, and you'll get a cap savings of $6 million + in 2006, but you'll carry a LOT of dead money in 2007.

I don't think it makes the most sense in the world to get rid of him yet, even if you do it post-June 1. Unless we had a crystal ball and could tell what will happen with the CBA over the next few years.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]Trade Arrington before June 1, his salary cap figure for 2006 would go up $800,000 from where it is now. Trade him after June 1, and you'll get a cap savings of $6 million + in 2006, but you'll carry a LOT of dead money in 2007.

I don't think it makes the most sense in the world to get rid of him yet, even if you do it post-June 1. Unless we had a crystal ball and could tell what will happen with the CBA over the next few years.[/QUOTE]

I'm quoting myself, that's funny.

Just wanted to add that the cap figures I presented above represent what would happen if we traded Arrington based on how his contract stands today.

But he's due a $6 million roster bonus in 2006, which the Skins will surely renegotiate into a signing bonus. Any comparisons, to be fair and accurate, should be done to cap expectations [b]after[/b] the renegotiation. And in that case, we'd take a sizeable cap hit.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=Defensewins]We need one more, Springs and Harris are starting to get old. Harris in particular can not be counted on to start anymore, so if we have an injury to Carlos or Springs we would be screwed. When a defense can succesfully play man to man on the corners, it makes the rest of the Defense SOOO much better. QB's would fear our blitz, with Lavar, Washington, Sean Taylor and company taking turns blitzing we would be awesome. The our pass rushing problems would be gone.[/QUOTE]

Good points! I like that - "Fear our Blitz"! Can I change my screenname to "FearMyBlitz"?

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I don't like giving up one position for the sake of another position

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'm quoting myself, that's funny.[/QUOTE]

I think this qualifies as talking to yourself...

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I think this qualifies as talking to yourself...[/QUOTE]
lol

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=murphy196]I will be pissed if we get rid of him b/c he is the face of this team! That's the problem with the NFL today, you can't keep anyone on a team for any length of time. The truth be told, we probably will end up getting rid of him and we will be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for him. I hope like hell that we keep him, but I'm starting to doubt that we will.[/QUOTE]


If Arrington is the face of this team it must be halloween because our record is horrible the last year and a half.

I say trade him and absorb his cap hit now, we can pick up an undrafted rookie to replace him, C.Clemons is basically doing that now.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

no way we trade him.this league is all about playmaking,and lavar certainly has the ability to make plays.im not for sacrificing one position to upgrade another.i think we can upgrade our d line both thru the draft and via free agencyas far as the salary cap,i agree with the nba and the larry bird rule.being able to keep players together and having them count a max amount.it restricts movement alittle but can keep players like lavar with their orginal teams for their whole careers

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=dmek25]no way we trade him.this league is all about playmaking,and lavar certainly has the ability to make plays.im not for sacrificing one position to upgrade another.i think we can upgrade our d line both thru the draft and via free agencyas far as the salary cap,i agree with the nba and the larry bird rule.being able to keep players together and having them count a max amount.it restricts movement alittle but can keep players like lavar with their orginal teams for their whole careers[/QUOTE]

Is that what the NBA does? I hate the NBA so I had no idea that there even was a "Larry Bird Rule". If that's what they do then the NFL definitely needs to think about that in the CBA.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I don't think that getting 1 premier lineman, and making our Linebacking unit weaker really gets us anywhere. If you take away a double team on lavar (which last week freed marshall and washington up to make some nice plays) and gain at a position which is less versatile, I think you actually take a step back.

Our offense needs more revamping than our D. Even if Brunell regains his form from earlier this year, he won't be playing for us several years down the road. We need a complimentary reciever, another tight end/h back, and our O line needs some help.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

It is not possible with taking a major cap hit again like with Coles. That was a one time deal and shouldn't become the status quo.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[font=Book Antiqua][size=7][color=darkred]NO![/color][/size][/font]

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=CRT3][font=Book Antiqua][size=7][color=darkred]NO![/color][/size][/font][/QUOTE]


well put.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

We have traded away a lot of picks, we cant fix our d-line with this years draft, especially considering we need help at O-line depth, another WR, and maybe another corner

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

no way....:pimp:

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

The truth is guys Arrington used to be the face of the Redskins until Gibbs and Williams arrived. This is Joe Gibbs' team and Clinton Portis is the front leader as far as interviews and explaining the moral of the team. I don't recall Larry Micheals even asking Arrington about the sentiment of the team right now.

Well, I hate to see him go too. But, this is his fifth year and for the amount of money he is expected to make, I know we can get a number of key players and possibly a high draft pick for him and another player. I say trade him along with Ramsey to the Jets. We take John Abraham and Kevin Mawae. We cut Cory Raymer and make Rabach a 2# behind Mawae. I don't know what it is about the Jets, but their players seem to flourish when they play for us excluding (Coles).
Now I know this is reaching but Arrington will not end his career as a Redskin. So let's cut our losses while he's still fresh in the minds of teams in need of a LB.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=CRT3][font=Book Antiqua][size=7][color=darkred]NO![/color][/size][/font][/QUOTE]
enough said short and sweet

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

Lavar is untradable
he is our tomlinson, manning, mike vick

just keep him no matter what

go skins

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

:stop:
lavar is not going anywhere unless he renegotiates his contract or something. he will stay here, and im glad that he will stay here. i agree with most of you and feel that strenthening one position while weakening another isnt very smart :spank:. Although lavars numbers arent huge this season, ever since he has become a starter he has made plays and has forced defenses to plan against him. hopefully he will come up big down the stretch :pimp: .

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=bertoskins]Lavar is untradable
he is our tomlinson, manning, mike vick

just keep him no matter what

go skins[/QUOTE]
AMEN BERT Redskin for life

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

arrington is the most beloved player on the redskins. i was at the 49ers game when lavar was finally put in to play, the crowed stood and cheered as loud as i've ever heard. the front office would piss off alot of skins fans, including myself, if they traded lavar. plus lavar is the best linebacker on the skins, marcus being a close 2nd, it would hurt the defense to trade him. the skins defense needs some defensive ends, free agency and the draft will be crucial this off season.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]arrington is the most beloved player on the redskins. i was at the 49ers game when lavar was finally put in to play, the crowed stood and cheered as loud as i've ever heard. the front office would piss off alot of skins fans, including myself, if they traded lavar. plus lavar is the best linebacker on the skins, marcus being a close 2nd, it would hurt the defense to trade him. the skins defense needs some defensive ends, free agency and the draft will be crucial this off season.[/QUOTE]
he is the most popular player you will see more arrington jerseys in fedex than any other player and i am one like u that would be extremely upset if he was traded ..ty for saying all this!

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]arrington is the most beloved player on the redskins. i was at the 49ers game when lavar was finally put in to play, the crowed stood and cheered as loud as i've ever heard. the front office would piss off alot of skins fans, including myself, if they traded lavar. plus lavar is the best linebacker on the skins, marcus being a close 2nd, it would hurt the defense to trade him. the skins defense needs some defensive ends, free agency and the draft will be crucial this off season.[/QUOTE]

i was there as well. he felt so good when he heard everyone cheering, and i was proud to have him on the skins :food-smil :food-smil he gets traded, then there is gonna be a lot of anger towards the organization :doh:

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

Paul, I don't think it's such a bad idea, but I tend to agree with the sentiments of those who say that you'll only sacrifice the linebacking corps for an improved D-line, and that's assuming that the draft picks all pan out.

Nonetheless, if a team offered something absurd, like two first rounders, I wouldn't blink -- and there'd be some disappointed Redskin fans with worthless Arrington jerseys.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

make lavar line up at DE and blindy rush into the back field, he's super quick, so he can cover up some mistakes. trading him means a massive cap hit, and doing that while absorbing an elite DE's contract (which would be even bigger) could turn into cap suicide.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]make lavar line up at DE and blindy rush into the back field, he's super quick, so he can cover up some mistakes. trading him means a massive cap hit, and doing that while absorbing an elite DE's contract (which would be even bigger) could turn into cap suicide.[/QUOTE]

This is my kind of thinking. We need to maximize the use we get out of our roster. Lavar was incredibly successful lining up as DE on 3rd down situations under Marvin Lewis. I believe that on third downs rather than subbing out lavar for Chris Clemons. We should put Lavar in as DE, and throw Clemons at the weak side linebacker. Then Lavar immediately draws the double...and frees up a linebacker/corner/saftey blitz from whatever side he is on.
I havnt seen that yet... any thoughts why?

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

I don't think LaVar figures in the Redskins future anyway, so trade him for draft picks and get some much-needed help at defensive end and at tight end.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

Let's see. The Vikings traded Randy Moss for a player no one remembers and draft picks that may or may not pan out. How did that work out? Madden called it "addition by subtraction."

A better idea is to keep your stars, build the talent base and find role players to fill your holes. It takes 2 to 4 seasons for this to pan out, but you keep your core group together longer and get further ahead. The team should have put more effort in keeping Antonio Pierce to complement Lavar.

[b]On the other hand,[/b] I lived in Minnesota in '89 when the Vikings dropped their drawers (7 draft picks and three players) to get Herschel Walker from the Cowboys. The Boys parlayed the draft picks with other teams to get Emmit Smith, Russell Maryland, Darren Woodson, Clayton Holmes and Kevin Smith -- and of course three Super Bowl rings. The Vikings were a finesse team that never made proper use of Walker. The Cowboys replaced Walker with a Hall of Famer to-be. Any player is expendable for a ridiculous offer.

The Moral? [list=1][*]This trade only works if the team gets a LB talent equal to Arrington. Building the line at the expense of linebacker is not an improvement.[*]Fantasy football trades [b][i][u]are not[/u][/i][/b] how to build up a franchise. [/list]

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=Master4Caster]Let's see. The Vikings traded Randy Moss for a player no one remembers and draft picks that may or may not pan out. How did that work out? Madden called it "addition by subtraction."

[/QUOTE]

MLB napoleon harris. 1st round pick a few years ago, good player. :duel:

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]arrington is the most beloved player on the redskins. i was at the 49ers game when lavar was finally put in to play, the crowed stood and cheered as loud as i've ever heard. the front office would piss off alot of skins fans, including myself, if they traded lavar. plus lavar is the best linebacker on the skins, marcus being a close 2nd, it would hurt the defense to trade him. the skins defense needs some defensive ends, free agency and the draft will be crucial this off season.[/QUOTE]

Ive got to disagree with you on one point here, LaVar is NOT our best linebacker. Our best linebacker, by far, is Marcus Washington. He has been our best LB for 2 years now. LaVar has never been the same since his knee injury, and I don't think we will ever see the explosiveness he once showed us.

Re: Just a thought, but....do we consider trading LaVar?
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Ive got to disagree with you on one point here, LaVar is NOT our best linebacker. Our best linebacker, by far, is Marcus Washington. He has been our best LB for 2 years now. LaVar has never been the same since his knee injury, and I don't think we will ever see the explosiveness he once showed us.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right - the announcers in yesterday's game (who were otherwise mostly awful) picked up on this, noting that he seemed to be favoring his rebuilt knee.