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[left][font=Times New Roman]"Early word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.[/font]



[font=Times New Roman]Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.[/font]



[font=Times New Roman]The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the Redskins are at $112 million."[/font]
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[font=Times New Roman]The above quote is from profootballtalk.com. So, knowing this who goes and who stays? I think Hall goes, Phillip Daniels goes, Taylor Jacobs but who else? Im not a capologist, but there are those on here who are, so who do you guys think is going, restructuring, etc. [/font][/left]

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I'm not sure what the contract numbers are, but I would have to guess the following may not be here next year.

Reynaldo Wynn or Phillip Daniels?
LaDell Betts (maybe out)
Patrick Ramsey (though I'm not sure how much cap space he's eating up)
Warrick Holdman (again, probably not eating us much cap)
Matt Bowen


Beyond that, you have to figure they will restructure some deals to make that number fit.

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According to the cap figures on this website:
Wynn = $3.45 million
Daniels = $2.6 million
Ramsey = $3.38 million
Betts = $810k
Holdman = $0k
Bowen = $2.4 million

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Samuels and Lavar are our two biggest hits. I don't see Lavar restructuring. Samuels maybe, but he has another 6 years on his contract and I haven't heard his name mentioned.

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Crazy Canuck sent me new cap sheets to post, I'll get them posted tonight.

Just looking at the roster really quick, here's a few names that jump out to me for potential cuts and/or restructures:

Noble
Wynn
Daniels
Hall
Harris
Bowen
Raymer
Friedman
Frost

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cut the following
1. patten
2. ramsey
3. wynn
4. holdman
5. john hall
6. bowen

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Crazy Canuck sent me new cap sheets to post, I'll get them posted tonight.

Just looking at the roster really quick, here's a few names that jump out to me for potential cuts and/or restructures:

Noble
Wynn
Daniels
Hall
Harris
Bowen
Raymer
Friedman
Frost[/QUOTE]

I think Noble, Bown, Raymer or Friedman will be gone altogether.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Samuels and Lavar are our two biggest hits. I don't see Lavar restructuring. Samuels maybe, but he has another 6 years on his contract and I haven't heard his name mentioned.[/QUOTE]

The cap info on this site is also old, I believe and still takes into account LaVar's $6.5m roster bonus for 2006. This has been changed to $3.25m bonus in 2007, so his cap number looks a lot better.

Additionally, ESPN reported recently that the 2006 cap is expected to be approximately $100m. I honestly think that we are not in terrible shape, though some trimming of the fat is always good so we can go after free agents.

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Hall and Harris are no-brainers. Bowen might be as well.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I think Noble, Bown, Raymer or Friedman will be gone altogether.[/QUOTE]

Friedman has already been released to make room for Antonio Brown's re-signing.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Hall and Harris are no-brainers. Bowen might be as well.[/QUOTE]

Not to keep responding on this thread :)

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.

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[QUOTE=amorentz]Not to keep responding on this thread :)

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.[/QUOTE]

Hey - at least you aren't quoting yourself yet!

I think he's a decent nickel corner, but I disagree that he can step into fill for Rogers. His tackling is abysmal and he just doesn't seem to be that good (based on his play this season). I think we can upgrade (somewhat - not substantially) for the amount we are paying Harris.

I agree about Hall - he just hasn't recovered. We need to drop at least ONE kickoff in the endzone this season!

Bowen I just haven't seen much this year. I know he was hurt for a bit, but it seems like we could survive without him. Unless, of course, ST ends up in jail. :(

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[QUOTE=amorentz]Not to keep responding on this thread :)

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.[/QUOTE]


I have to agree, as much as Harris has been burnt this year as our No. 2 corner, he still is above average nickle back and can match up well with a No. 3 wideout. That being said, you would hope that in case of injury your No. 3 corner could move up to No. 2 without much drop off, but that clearly is not the case with Harris.

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I'm not a fan of Harris being cut because I do think he's a quality nicklel, but his '06 base salary is a hefty $2.75M which has to make one think he could be on the block simply because of that fairly large cap #.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm not a fan of Harris being cut because I do think he's a quality nicklel, but his '06 base salary is a hefty $2.75M which has to make one think he could be on the block simply because of that fairly large cap #.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. That's way too much for Harris.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Agreed. That's way too much for Harris.[/QUOTE]

Id like to see how much other veteran nickel corners are making before I say its too much...it actually seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I would want to know who we plan on replacing him with before we cut him without a backup plan. If Ade Jimoh is playing nickelback for us next year I have a friend who is going to have a heart attack...so just let me know so I can take out that life insurance policy :)

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I think 112 is high. Looks like it is actually under 110 but we won't know until the end of the year. If the cap ends up at 92 then we need to "trim" 18.
I am thinking they possibly restructure Taylor because his number is a relatively high 4.6 and his subsequent numbers fall much lower. They can restructure that to save a couple mil in '06. Jansen will get extended and his number reduced. Ramsey will be gone. Washignton will get restructure same as Taylor. Somethign will happen with Wynn. I'd guess he is gone. Noble is gone. Daniels is relatively cheap but for what production? He might be gone. Bowen is gone unless he takes a deep pay cut. Soemthing has to be done about Springs. Without doing the real math all of those moves saves about 23 or 24 mil counting release fees and all.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan][left][font=Times New Roman]"Early word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.[/font]




[font=Times New Roman]Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.[/font]



[font=Times New Roman]The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the Redskins are at $112 million."[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]The above quote is from profootballtalk.com. So, knowing this who goes and who stays? I think Hall goes, Phillip Daniels goes, Taylor Jacobs but who else? Im not a capologist, but there are those on here who are, so who do you guys think is going, restructuring, etc. [/font]
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I would like to hear from all the people that said we are not in any cap trouble for the next couple of years. what is your fix for this situation?

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Samuels and Lavar are our two biggest hits. I don't see Lavar restructuring. Samuels maybe, but he has another 6 years on his contract and I haven't heard his name mentioned.[/QUOTE]

Samuel just signed a longterm deal, he is not going to restructure. LaVar may restructure his roster bonus to signing bonus which could create some room. Trading him isn't an option if they are that much over the cap now, but remember there is a possibility there isn't going to be a cap next year if the CBA isnt signed.

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[QUOTE=amorentz]Not to keep responding on this thread :)

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.[/QUOTE]

Hall had a nagging leg injury. which I believe is getting better. No way should we cut him. dont you remember all the damn troubles we have had with crappy kickers over the last 10 years. His leg is getting stronger, and appears to be healing. On the 45 yarder he missed last week, It was well long enough. It would have been long enought from over 50+. and his kick offs were getting to the goal line again. When Hall is healthy he is automatic from the 45-47 and in. Good teams have good reliable kickers. We need a HEALTHY John Hall, which it looks like he is getting healthy.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I would like to hear from all the people that said we are not in any cap trouble for the next couple of years. what is your fix for this situation?[/QUOTE]It seems that every year I hear we are going to have cap problems. I think Snyder and company have a working plan that leaves us in decent shape for each year. We will have to wait and see on this one and who knows if they don't reach a deal we may not have a cap at all.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I think 112 is high. Looks like it is actually under 110 but we won't know until the end of the year. If the cap ends up at 92 then we need to "trim" 18.
I am thinking they possibly restructure Taylor because his number is a relatively high 4.6 and his subsequent numbers fall much lower. They can restructure that to save a couple mil in '06. Jansen will get extended and his number reduced. Ramsey will be gone. Washignton will get restructure same as Taylor. Somethign will happen with Wynn. I'd guess he is gone. Noble is gone. Daniels is relatively cheap but for what production? He might be gone. Bowen is gone unless he takes a deep pay cut. Soemthing has to be done about Springs. Without doing the real math all of those moves saves about 23 or 24 mil counting release fees and all.[/QUOTE]

This is the same crap I talk about everyday. Look at all the people that are potential cuts. It is rediculous to build a franchise with constant turnover. It has to happen every year because we do not draft well and have to overpay old people to play in washington. We will have to eventually bite the bullet and let these cap numbers play out. Stop restructuring deals, stop getting free agents like they are GOLD and play younger guys and build from the ground up. Every year we are looking at ways to cut this guy and that guy, or trade this guy to save money. We will be in same boat every single year until we just let guys contracts run out, and drop over paid players and let our young guys play instead of using the extra cap space and get free agents. I dont think its against league rules to have cap space available, is it?

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[QUOTE=firstdown]It seems that every year I hear we are going to have cap problems. I think Snyder and company have a working plan that leaves us in decent shape for each year. We will have to wait and see on this one and who knows if they don't reach a deal we may not have a cap at all.[/QUOTE]

And those plans get us in more trouble over the years. Reworking, restructuring, dropping, paying free agents its all the same thing year in and year out. Yeah we would be in cap trouble if we wouldn;t rework contracts every year. or drop this guy and that guy. Eventually you have to pay the bills, remember the cap hell san fran went through, its the same thing. You can always work your way around it year after year, but eventually you have pay up. When you continue to put it off and put it off, it only gets worse for the later years.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]This is the same crap I talk about everyday. Look at all the people that are potential cuts. It is rediculous to build a franchise with constant turnover. It has to happen every year because we do not draft well and have to overpay old people to play in washington. We will have to eventually bite the bullet and let these cap numbers play out. Stop restructuring deals, stop getting free agents like they are GOLD and play younger guys and build from the ground up. Every year we are looking at ways to cut this guy and that guy, or trade this guy to save money. We will be in same boat every single year until we just let guys contracts run out, and drop over paid players and let our young guys play instead of using the extra cap space and get free agents. I dont think its against league rules to have cap space available, is it?[/QUOTE]

I hear your frustration. But remember a couple of things. Since the free agency era, teams essentially have a 3-5 yr window to put and keep a quality team on the field, and hopefully get to the Superbowl.
This is just normal business in the NFL these days, IMO.

Also, I don't feel we are rebuilding simply because we have to manuever $10 million or so under the cap - there will be no overhauling of this roster this year or next. All and all we'll be fine.

Welcome to the NFL!!

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I hear your frustration. But remember a couple of things. Since the free agency era, teams essentially have a 3-5 yr window to put and keep a quality team on the field, and hopefully get to the Superbowl.
This is just normal business in the NFL these days, IMO.

Also, I don't feel we are rebuilding simply because we have to manuever $10 million or so under the cap - there will be no overhauling of this roster this year or next. All and all we'll be fine.

Welcome to the NFL!![/QUOTE]

We have been in that window since 1999. Going on 7 years. I would have much rather taken a year or two hit to build for something, rather than building SOMETHING every year. and that something has been mediocore teams every year. Just like last year, and the year before we will have to cut players to get under the cap, then Dan and Joe will go out and overpay somebody to come here. When we should draft a young guy and let them play. I am sick of this plan danny has, we need to start building youth. I say it all the time, Look at NE, Philly, Cincy, Indy, Steelers all these teams that struggles for a couple of years, and now they have a core group that compete every year for the playoffs. We cant even buy a jersey of a player because they leave after 3 years.

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I feel like we've had this same discussion about 1000 times on this board.

Do people actually think there are teams in this league with zero roster turnover year to year? We've had more than our share but that also goes hand in hand with the constant coaching turnover.

Regarding the cap, we were supposed to be in cap hell about 5 years ago. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen these major cap problems the mediots keep saying we're headed for. Teams around the league have to wheel and deal to get under the cap each year, and contract restructuring is the name of the game in the modern free agency era. These things aren't exclusive to the Washington Redskins.

Each year there are a handful of teams in much worse shape than the Redskins cap-wise, and this offseason will be no different.

We are building towards something right now, a major overhaul of the roster just isn't going to happen this offseason. I'm not sure why some people seem to be freaking out right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I feel like we've had this same discussion about 1000 times on this board.

Do people actually think there are teams in this league with zero roster turnover year to year? We've had more than our share but that also goes hand in hand with the constant coaching turnover.

Regarding the cap, we were supposed to be in cap hell about 5 years ago. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen these major cap problems the mediots keep saying we're headed for. Teams around the league have to wheel and deal to get under the cap each year, and contract restructuring is the name of the game in the modern free agency era. These things aren't exclusive to the Washington Redskins.

Each year there are a handful of teams in much worse shape than the Redskins cap-wise, and this offseason will be no different.

We are building towards something right now, a major overhaul of the roster just isn't going to happen this offseason. I'm not sure why some people seem to be freaking out right now.[/QUOTE]

You are saying exactly what I want to hear. There are teams in the NFL with constant roster turnover, and do they win? that is my question, or statement which ever pertains. Teams with constant roster turn over DO NOT win. Teams with a consistant core of role players (indy,philly,ne,cincy(after a couple of years of building)Jacksonville) I can keep going. The cap hell will never hit as long as we keep mortgaging the future. by that I mean restructing, reworking, cutting, dropping what ever. We keep having to cut because of the stupid contracts we sign players too. or the lack of draft picks which dictates free agent signings, or the quality of draft picks dictates the free agent signings. This is my point, when we have a few years of minimul offseason movement, and make progress the following years, then we will be moving in the right direction as a franchise.

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Last year was the start of those minimal moves I believe.

We really didn't have any splashy signings. Rabach was signed right out of the gate, and outside of the Coles debacle it was a pretty quiet offseason acquisition-wise. I think we'll see more of the same this offseason as well. A few low key moves here and there.

I know it's tough to get over, but the days of looking to sign every big name free agent that hits the market are long gone.

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I think we'll be fine--all the potential cuts are guys that are replaceable anyway. It's funny to see that Raider cap #, that isn't even counting Charles Woodson! They are screwed. They are going to cut Collins for sure. We are going to be able to get something more for Ramsey than people are predicting, methinks.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]You are saying exactly what I want to hear. There are teams in the NFL with constant roster turnover, and do they win? that is my question, or statement which ever pertains. Teams with constant roster turn over DO NOT win. Teams with a consistant core of role players (indy,philly,ne,cincy(after a couple of years of building)Jacksonville) I can keep going. The cap hell will never hit as long as we keep mortgaging the future. by that I mean restructing, reworking, cutting, dropping what ever. We keep having to cut because of the stupid contracts we sign players too. or the lack of draft picks which dictates free agent signings, or the quality of draft picks dictates the free agent signings. This is my point, when we have a few years of minimul offseason movement, and make progress the following years, then we will be moving in the right direction as a franchise.[/QUOTE]

With the exception of NE & Pitt none of these teams have really built a Super Bowl winner. Indy and Cincy are right there but until they do, to me, it's a moot point. Philly has gone to several championships but no rings to show for it. And from what I can see so far this year, if anybody will be rebuilding it will be NE and some extent Philly.

So if we measure progress by getting to playoffs, then I think we are right there. If the Super Bowl is the measuring stick, well, we have a little ways to go.

Our problem in the past has been we've tried to leap-frog the process and win overnight, now we are doing one inch at a time.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Samuels and Lavar are our two biggest hits. I don't see Lavar restructuring. Samuels maybe, but he has another 6 years on his contract and I haven't heard his name mentioned.[/QUOTE]


Both of whom if we can save significant cap room should be gone, neither has remotly played up to their contracts.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Both of whom if we can save significant cap room should be gone, neither has remotly played up to their contracts.[/QUOTE]

Dude, are you kidding. Samuels and Jansen have played as good or better than two any tackles in the league. And lets not get into the LaVar thing again. He is a very good LB and want to be in washington. I dont see how you can say either one of these have not played up to their contracts. that just crazy.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Dude, are you kidding. Samuels and Jansen have played as good or better than two any tackles in the league. And lets not get into the LaVar thing again. He is a very good LB and want to be in washington. I dont see how you can say either one of these have not played up to their contracts. that just crazy.[/QUOTE]

Ummm.....homerism aside, I think both Samuels and Jansen have had average years with spurts of dominance. But I think they've pretty inconsistent as a tandem.

That being said, I'm gonna sound like I'm contradicting myself, their run blocking has been pretty solid. (see Portis)

LaVar?? Well, he can't play up to anything if he's not been on the field.

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Samuels and LaVar aren't going anywhere. Just stop. :postcop:

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]There are teams in the NFL with constant roster turnover, and do they win? that is my question, or statement which ever pertains. Teams with constant roster turn over DO NOT win. Teams with a consistant core of role players (indy,philly,ne,cincy(after a couple of years of building)Jacksonville) I can keep going. [/QUOTE]

"Teams with constant roster turn over DO NOT win." I am sorry but that statement is just idoitic. Every team, winning or losing has to deal with "constant roster turn over". Let's check the books shall we?

Philly - Wonderful cap space - maintained by constant turnover. They replaced both their CB's last year, made big free agent DL and WR signings, and have been playing ring around the rosie with their LB corp for years. Yet they made it to the SB last year.

Indy - Constantly in "cap hell" due to Peyton's contract (and now Marvin's). Constantly losing decent D starters b/c their offense is too expensive (seems to me they lost a damn good up and coming LB to free agency a couple years ago - Marcus Washington, heard of him? In fact, I think they also lost their starting MLB that year to the Jags). They have added new people - Cory Simon, you know that young DL guy that used to play for Eagles before the birds "managed" their cap by letting him go? For all the roster moves, Indy made it to the conference championship game. On top of that, the turnover has mostly come on the defensive side of the ball which has shown the most improvement.

New England - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? This is aquisition central. They are constantly signing and losing players - Ty Law, their pro bowl guard who signed with Detroit (don't remember the name), David Patten - and who was that old, over the hill, problem child running back they added to their team last year at the cost of a 2nd round draft pick and that help carry them to the S-Bowl? Cory something... Didnt he play, and star, for another team you site as lacking turnover? Perhaps...

Cinci - Marvin came and turned the whole roster over. Then this year and last continued to cut and pare add and subtract in less dramatic fashion - for all the turnover the last couple of years, they seem to be doing alright.

Jacksonville - Gotta admit a little fuzzy on this one but it seems to me they lost a number one WR (McCardell) and paid a big price for a bust DE (Hugh Douglas - also "managed" by the Eagles). And BTW, it's not like this team has been a powerhouse over the last few years - they seem to be winning now despite the turnover from the last couple of years.

I could go on forever. Turnover in the NFL is now a constant - Every team loses players they want to keep. Every team makes decisions as to where to take those losses. It's not that teams with roster turnover don't win, it's that teams who don't make good roster decisions (regardless of the price) as they constantly build and re-build teams lose. Which brings me to ...

[QUOTE=#56fanatic] The cap hell will never hit as long as we keep mortgaging the future. by that I mean restructing, reworking, cutting, dropping what ever. We keep having to cut because of the stupid contracts we sign players too. or the lack of draft picks which dictates free agent signings, or the quality of draft picks dictates the free agent signings[/QUOTE]

Other than Steven Davis, who of any signifigance has been cut recently? Smoot and Pierce? They weren't cuts - they were given competitive offers and went elsewhere for more money. Thus, following your advice not to overpay - we lost two starters.

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]This is my point, when we have a few years of minimul offseason movement, and make progress the following years, then we will be moving in the right direction as a franchise.[/QUOTE]

You mean like this year? Which was BTW, the second year after Gibbs came in - made a splash and got some quality FA's at a decent price (it seems to me that Gibbs and crew got Washington and Springs rather than overpay for Kearse), took some flyers on injured players before settling down this offseason.

What huge signings did they have this year that cost them players? Moss? That was kinda unexpectedly forced on us by Coles and, even so, appears to be a deal worth it. Brunnell? You got me on that one, but 1) that was Gibbs first foray into the new NFL and 2) I think we like Brunnell now. Overpaid - probably, but injurying our ability to sign needed players? No. Only if we had continued to overpay after Brunnell would it have been a problem.

As to draft picks, I sympathize with you on that one. I agree that we seem to be a bit cavalier about these. At the same time, the only real significant draft choice deal this year was the Campbell deal. If he pans out to be the QB of the future for the next 8-10 years, however, the trade was well worth it. Especially if we do well enough to make it a low first rounder.

IF cap hell strikes, I will do a mea culpa with everybody else. But for now, it seems to me that, on offense, we will have the same starting QB, RB's, Guards and Tackles (but for injury), TE for three years running (including 2006) and likely the same WR's and C two years in a row. On defense, Taylor, Arrington, Washington, Springs, Griffin, Marshall, Wynn (I think both he and Daniels will be back) will be three year starters.

Most of your criticism is about pre-Gibbs tendencies which appeared to be and were criticized as fantasy football GM'ing. It seems to me that Gibbs learned a little from year one to year two. Why don't we give him the same break you appear to be giving Del Rio and M. Lewis?

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Didn't Samuels just restructure his contract last offseason? I'm not the biggest CS fan, but I would be surprised if he left

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Didn't Samuels just restructure his contract last offseason? I'm not the biggest CS fan, but I would be surprised if he left[/QUOTE]

It was recent - definitely in the last couple of years. I agree that he's probably not going anywhere in a way that frees up cap room.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Ummm.....homerism aside, I think both Samuels and Jansen have had average years with spurts of dominance. But I think they've pretty inconsistent as a tandem.

That being said, I'm gonna sound like I'm contradicting myself, their run blocking has been pretty solid. (see Portis)

LaVar?? Well, he can't play up to anything if he's not been on the field.[/QUOTE]

Jansen has had a stellar year, with two broken thumbs. In point, 1 penalty all year long, a false start in week 5. Samuels not quite as good, but solid.

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Samuels didn't restructure, he inked a new deal

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Re: Looks like Skins are $10 mil over cap next year, who goes?
 

Every team has constant turnover every year. Once in a blue moon a team runs the same team out there two years in a row but that is rare. Media morons have said for years now that the Skins are headed for cap trouble and they have not even once been right. The problem with the skins has been COACHING TURNOVER and not talent turnover. The guys I listed as cuts are basically the same guys we rip in one way or another on a weeekly basis for not performing. Each I selected for cut was based on their production versus their cap number not just their cap number regardless of production. Our cap situation for next year is perfectly fine. Does anyone here think the skins looked at this situation and thought "Gee we better gear up this year and win it all since we'll have to cut everyone next year"? No they haven't said that. They have a long term plan to handle the cap and have had one for years and what do you know OMG! IT WORKS! Now if they can simply continue to make the right aquisitions in terms of talent then they'll be fine. Our problems haven't been the cap they have been taht we can't keep one coaching staff and we can't get the right mix in talent. I think it is pretty clear that both situations have improved under Gibbs substantially. Stop bitching about the cap. It is STILL THIS YEAR. We can have these arguments in the off-season.