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steveo395 12-13-2005 04:10 PM

Cowboys Board
 
Some of us should go over to this website and talk some trash. They're not nearly as pumped as we are and theyre telling their members to come here and talk. We have to take it over.
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MTK 12-13-2005 04:13 PM

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Why go over to that "lame ass site"?

If they want to talk let them come here, after all it is Skins 1 Cowboys 0 this year.

BigSKINBauer 12-13-2005 04:15 PM

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they are just so uneducated it is hard to talk to them. But i will most definatly read some of their stuff. I think i am regestered over there maybe i'll post something but thanks for reminding me



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murphy196 12-13-2005 04:20 PM

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Let's beat their ass this Sunday and then see if they are still talking shit!!! Let's go SKINS!!!!!!!!

scowan 12-13-2005 04:37 PM

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Let's face it, most Cowboy fans are not as educated about their team as we are about ours. I could not have a "smart" conversation with most Cowboys fans out there. Most of their arguments would be based on pride or some unrealistic vison of their team. I would rather just stay here. We are all obsessed, but more realistic than most fans I think.

Gmanc711 12-13-2005 04:37 PM

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BigSkinbauer might be my favorite person on this planet.

sandtrapjack 12-13-2005 04:43 PM

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[QUOTE=steveo395]Some of us should go over to this website and talk some trash. They're not nearly as pumped as we are and theyre telling their members to come here and talk. We have to take it over.
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Come one over...where do you think I found out about WARPATH?

sandtrapjack 12-13-2005 04:45 PM

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[QUOTE=scowan]Let's face it, most Cowboy fans are not as educated about their team as we are about ours. I could not have a "smart" conversation with most Cowboys fans out there. Most of their arguments would be based on pride or some unrealistic vison of their team. I would rather just stay here. We are all obsessed, but more realistic than most fans I think.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I am from that board, I am in "your house" and I consider myself pretty educated about my team.

You don't have to come over there, I'll come to you.

FirstandTen 12-13-2005 04:47 PM

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I was just on your site.. NO ONE is there how many members do you have like 4?

BigSKINBauer 12-13-2005 04:52 PM

Re: Cryboy Board WE WANT DALLAS!!WE WANT DALLAS!!WE WANT DALLAS!!WE WANT DALLAS!!
 
[QUOTE=Gmanc711]BigSkinbauer might be my favorite person on this planet.[/QUOTE]

:D :food-smil

I looked around, I like the site. Well the site itself is....bleh, the fans seem more educated than i thought............ BUT THEY ARE DIRTY DALLAS FANS AND JUST READING THEIR WRITING MAKES ME SICK. Look now it is TUESDAY and by Thursday we will be in the mists of the game and i won't be able to talk to any dallas fans by Friday without throwing something at them so i will get my stuff in quick.
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sandtrapjack 12-13-2005 04:56 PM

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]I was just on your site.. NO ONE is there how many members do you have like 4?[/QUOTE]

At last count we have 899 registered members.

FirstandTen 12-13-2005 05:00 PM

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Well it was a ghost town... In your rivals thread we took over....

BigSKINBauer 12-13-2005 05:01 PM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]At last count we have 899 registered members.[/QUOTE]

if you don't have 900 you ain't nothing, dallas fans coming up 1 point short again

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5RINGS 12-13-2005 05:04 PM

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]if you don't have 900 you ain't nothing, dallas fans coming up 1 point short again

Thats funny.

amorentz 12-13-2005 05:04 PM

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]if you don't have 900 you ain't nothing, dallas fans coming up 1 point short again
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Burn! :lol:

sandtrapjack 12-13-2005 05:05 PM

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]if you don't have 900 you ain't nothing, dallas fans coming up 1 point short again[/QUOTE]

Okay even I have to admit, that's pretty damn funny!

5RINGS 12-13-2005 05:08 PM

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Sandtrap,

I don't think Williams has forgotten about Key. He won't let him beat the Redskins. It will be Crayton over the middle in the slot on the quick routes. Key is a well known commodity, williams would be a fool to get beat by him. Crayton is coming off an injury and hasn't caught a ball yet. We need him to come up big.

steveo395 12-13-2005 05:29 PM

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Sandtrap,

I don't think Williams has forgotten about Key. He won't let him beat the Redskins. It will be Crayton over the middle in the slot on the quick routes. Key is a well known commodity, williams would be a fool to get beat by him. Crayton is coming off an injury and hasn't caught a ball yet. We need him to come up big.[/QUOTE]
well now he'll be scared to get crushed by sean taylor again

BigSKINBauer 12-14-2005 12:03 AM

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[QUOTE=steveo395]well now he'll be scared to get crushed by sean taylor again[/QUOTE]

Man crayton should be scared. The hit heard around the world. If this season actually is of any signifcance that hit will be with redskin fans for years and it one of the most significant hits in the redskins cowboys rivalry. It was Crayton who torched Sean last year on his his route to that last second TD right? That too will be one of the important plays in this rivalry. I think sean and crayton are developing their own rivalry now

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 12-14-2005 12:04 AM

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Let's not go over there and bash their site. If you want to go over and intelligently debate them go ahead. But, I don't care to involve thewarpath.net in a pissing match with a Cowboys fan site.

railcon56 12-14-2005 12:22 AM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's not go over there and bash their site. If you want to go over and intelligently debate them go ahead. But, I don't care to involve thewarpath.net in a pissing match with a Cowboys fan site.[/QUOTE]
GOOD CALL..can you call plays too? lol

CRT3 12-14-2005 07:07 AM

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I was on this site before the last game and got booted for flame wars. I did not say anything crazy and still got booted. I reregistered under different names with different emails and kept comming. Finally after we won there was no more back talking and no more booting. I have been posting on there since Monday and have finally gotten a few to actually talk football and a little smack with no hard feelings. Also to note they even made the suggestion, last time, that I had gotten booted from this site. :Smoker: Can you say Zack Mills. Post over there, it is quite harmless and fun. Lets hope we can trash talk for the fun of it. Hey we know Keeshawn is going to bring his A game, mouth that is.

Hog1 12-14-2005 07:33 AM

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Sandtrap,

I don't think Williams has forgotten about Key. He won't let him beat the Redskins. It will be Crayton over the middle in the slot on the quick routes. Key is a well known commodity, williams would be a fool to get beat by him. Crayton is coming off an injury and hasn't caught a ball yet. We need him to come up big.[/QUOTE]

Only a few days left to make the leap to the "light" 5rings. In your metamorphosis, perhaps you could be "JOERINGS"! How does that sound? Regarding Crayton over the middle. I have started to see some guys go down rather than deal with Sean Taylor. Guy is a bad MF. Actually, I think I would too! See ya' JOERINGS

onlydarksets 12-14-2005 08:24 AM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's not go over there and bash their site. If you want to go over and intelligently debate them go ahead. But, I don't care to involve thewarpath.net in a pissing match with a Cowboys fan site.[/QUOTE]
Well said! I wouldn't mind finding the equivalent of thewarpath.net for other teams, but I really haven't seen anything yet. By "equivalent" I mean where you definitely get made fun of for rooting for the other team, but you don't get mired down in "yo mamma" insults and can actually have a semi-reasoned discussion about the teams.

onlydarksets 12-14-2005 08:25 AM

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]if you don't have 900 you ain't nothing, dallas fans coming up 1 point short again[/QUOTE]

Dude, you are too freaking funny!

5RINGS 12-14-2005 09:25 AM

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Well said! I wouldn't mind finding the equivalent of thewarpath.net for other teams, but I really haven't seen anything yet. By "equivalent" I mean where you definitely get made fun of for rooting for the other team, but you don't get mired down in "yo mamma" insults and can actually have a semi-reasoned discussion about the teams.[/QUOTE]

If you want to talk football and compare the two teams with a bunch of guys that know a lot about technical football strategy go to theboys.com. Lots of knowledgeable football fans there, definately not a homer site.

5RINGS 12-14-2005 09:26 AM

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Only a few days left to make the leap to the "light" 5rings. In your metamorphosis, perhaps you could be "JOERINGS"! How does that sound? Regarding Crayton over the middle. I have started to see some guys go down rather than deal with Sean Taylor. Guy is a bad MF. Actually, I think I would too! See ya' JOERINGS[/QUOTE]


But y'all wouldn't respect me in the morning.....

Sammy Baugh Fan 12-14-2005 09:27 AM

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]But y'all wouldn't respect me in the morning.....[/QUOTE]

True, but not any LESS!

lol

peace to ya man and thanks for being a good sport
mike

scowan 12-14-2005 10:03 AM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Ok, I am from that board, I am in "your house" and I consider myself pretty educated about my team.

You don't have to come over there, I'll come to you.[/QUOTE]

sandtrapjack, I am sorry to have stereotyped Cowboy fans, I am sure you are the exception. I actually have a really good friend who is a Cowboys fan and he is as pessimistic about his team as I am most days about the Skins. I am just glad my Skins are playing meaningful games in December, I am worried it will all be over this weekend. I honestly think it will be for one of our teams. There are just too many NFC teams that are 7-6 or better right now.

gibbs4life 12-14-2005 02:34 PM

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[QUOTE=scowan]Let's face it, most Cowboy fans are not as educated about their team as we are about ours. I could not have a "smart" conversation with most Cowboys fans out there. Most of their arguments would be based on pride or some unrealistic vison of their team. I would rather just stay here. We are all obsessed, but more realistic than most fans I think.[/QUOTE]


i run into the same problems most educated redskin fans do -by just trying to strike up a conversation with a cowboy fan.talking trash gets you nowhere besides we are up on them now aren,t we with sunday coming too.

by the way hello all i,m new but a big skins fan for a very longtime.huge joe gibbs fan.

That Guy 12-14-2005 04:01 PM

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welcome to the board.

sandtrapjack 12-14-2005 04:01 PM

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[QUOTE=gibbs4life]i run into the same problems most educated redskin fans do -by just trying to strike up a conversation with a cowboy fan.talking trash gets you nowhere besides we are up on them now aren,t we with sunday coming too.

by the way hello all i,m new but a big skins fan for a very longtime.huge joe gibbs fan.[/QUOTE]

Do you call losing 14 of the last 16 meetings "being up" on them?

onsidekick 12-14-2005 04:12 PM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Do you call losing 14 of the last 16 meetings "being up" on them?[/QUOTE]
No but I would call demoralizing the entire Cowboys fan base in Dallas "being up" on them

Hog1 12-14-2005 04:20 PM

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]But y'all wouldn't respect me in the morning.....[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ! You would the same respect as do all our Cowboy..............b.r..o...t.h.e.r.s!!!!!!!!!

sandtrapjack 12-14-2005 05:00 PM

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[QUOTE=onsidekick]No but I would call demoralizing the entire Cowboys fan base in Dallas "being up" on them[/QUOTE]

Well let me know when you get that done. We were down for a week, but we have kept you down for 8 long years, for the most part.

steveo395 12-14-2005 05:21 PM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Well let me know when you get that done. We were down for a week, but we have kept you down for 8 long years, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
well since gibbs has been here, all three games have been separated by a total of 7 points...thats not keeping us down very much

onsidekick 12-14-2005 06:07 PM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Well let me know when you get that done. We were down for a week, but we have kept you down for 8 long years, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
That game was the beginning of a new era. You should just get used to that "down" feeling, the days of the Cowboys dominating this rivalry got burnt up with Roy Williams' coverage in week 2.

sandtrapjack 12-14-2005 06:15 PM

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[QUOTE=steveo395]well since gibbs has been here, all three games have been separated by a total of 7 points...thats not keeping us down very much[/QUOTE]

True but that can be said about most of the Cowboys games all season.

Besides no one ever went to the play-offs by "almost" winning. Does not matter if it is 1 point or 100, a loss is a loss and a win is a win.

onsidekick 12-14-2005 06:20 PM

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]True but that can be said about most of the Cowboys games all season.

Besides no one ever went to the play-offs by "almost" winning. Does not matter if it is 1 point or 100, a loss is a loss and a win is a win.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point actually. THIS season your team has exacty 0 wins against us

D'BOYZ 12-14-2005 06:37 PM

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Yeah I hate all the say about generic about all the cowboys fans are stupid as all the redskins fans are stupid I have been writing some post since august in this site and have stayed because for the most part have been treated correctly and I have found moregreat post and points of view that the usuall redskins rule!!!! crap.

It's allways good to defend and support it but is bad when you're blind side it by it and can't see the truth you have to support your point of view with reference and cold hard facts rather than hearth and passion.


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