New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!
 

This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.

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This has been brought up before. I don't think Gibbs would ever play this sort of stupid game. LaVar was just not 100% earlier in the season.

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I thought the deal was worked out between the team and Arington.

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7]This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.[/QUOTE]

Interesting! I am obviously a huge LaVar fan and said from the beginning the reasons Joe and Staff benched LaVar was not because of playing ability. However, I have somewhat moved on from that decussion and am pumped that he back on the field full time. I would like to bring up the Coles issue, that Danny got personal with him as well. Telling him he would be sitting home watching the games on the Plasma he was sending. This was leaked through the media, and had some reliable sources as well. I would not put it past Danny to get personal, but always thought him and LaVar had a pretty good relationship. I just hope this crap does not effect his playing in DC.

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So many conspiracies, so little time!

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I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

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I STILL say there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll.

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That is far fetch. If you over paid for a sports car would you just leave it parked because you were pissed you paid to much. NO! You would drive it. So why would Dan overpay Lavar then just bench him.

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This is downright retarded. First off, Snyder settled the dispute with Arrington.

Secondly, there's no way Gibbs would allow this. No way in hell. He'd be out the door in a heartbeat if Dan Snyder started asking him to treat players like that.

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7]This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.[/QUOTE]


Like I said there is only one guy who made the call to not play L.A. and that is Gregg Williams........ right or wrong he is the reason......

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[QUOTE=mredskins]That is far fetch. If you over paid for a sports car would you just leave it parked because you were pissed you paid to much. NO! You would drive it. So why would Dan overpay Lavar then just bench him.[/QUOTE]


good point

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[QUOTE=mredskins]That is far fetch. If you over paid for a sports car would you just leave it parked because you were pissed you paid to much. NO! You would drive it. So why would Dan overpay Lavar then just bench him.[/QUOTE]

Because...Dan Snyder doesn't like riding Lavar Arrington?

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[QUOTE=offiss]I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost[/QUOTE]

Intelligent comment. So by this logic, Gibbs and company realized how much LaVar sucked at the beginning of the season, but it somehow completely slipped their minds around week seven. Correct?

And as far as the Snyder theory, that was my original theory from the start, which I based on Snyders handling of previous situations involving players and money. Even after all of the comments from LaVar and the coaches, I still think there is a 50/50 shot that Snyder was involved.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.[/QUOTE]

I remember that play. Dont know who was to be covering Gates because him and Taylor blitzed on the same side at the same time. So one of the two should have been covering him. I would have imagined it would have been taylor since he has far better cover skills than Lavar.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I remember that play. Dont know who was to be covering Gates because him and Taylor blitzed on the same side at the same time. So one of the two should have been covering him. I would have imagined it would have been taylor since he has far better cover skills than Lavar.[/QUOTE]


Lavar didn't blitz on that play, and he was the only one in that area, and he stood there while Gates went uncovered.

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if the media knew it why didn't they say it all over every media outlet. There was a rumor that we here and people everywhere talked about but i don't believe it for a second. Lavar was hurt and when he got better he was not ready to start

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Intelligent comment. So by this logic, Gibbs and company realized how much LaVar sucked at the beginning of the season, but it somehow completely slipped their minds around week seven. Correct?

And as far as the Snyder theory, that was my original theory from the start, which I based on Snyders handling of previous situations involving players and money. Even after all of the comments from LaVar and the coaches, I still think there is a 50/50 shot that Snyder was involved.[/QUOTE]


Intelligent reply, so by your logic we don't need coaches to teach players to be better player's, by having the coaches work with him from the beggining of the season, and then spoon feed him into the defense to see how he will react, is not something coaches should have been working with him on trying to salvage this guys carreer? It seems they have more confidence in C. Clemons these day's then they do in Arrington.

As far as Snyder is concerned, I guess Gibbs is a liar when he said he has total control over the franchise as far as it concerns on field football matters, and personel, especially when he say's it sitting next to Snyder, and yes Snyder agrees.

The bottom line is Williams was not going to hand Lavar a starting job just because his name is Lavar Arrington, he treated him like anyone else on the defense, and forced him to prove he belongs out there, and guess what when you remove the personality of Lavar, your left with a highly overated football player who was easily replaced by the likes of Lamar Marshall last season, and now C. Clemons.

Give me C. Clemons on passing down's over Lavar any day of the week!

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7]This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.[/QUOTE]
I deem this the Retarded Post of the Week. The RPW is awarded in this case for several reasons.
Reason 1: Umm this discussion has been had...and had....and had.....and had again. It is now downrght ridculous to even bring it up at this point since he is playing and we are in the playoff hunt with a big game coming.
Reason 2: The logic behind the theory is idiotic. Why would they sit a guy they were paying a lot? To get nothing out of him? Sounds like a briilliant plan to me!
Reason 3: This is the capper. It was widely reported that the dispute was settled amicably between Lavar and the Skins. On top of that Lavar admitted weeks later that he had overreacted in the situation which would lead you to believe that he thinks the reason he was sitting had nothing to do with money. I don't think he'd have admitted overreacting if he wasn't playing based on the issue you raised.

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I have to agre with Offiss this ain't a conspiricity theory of no sort Williams plays the best players dispite his name or if his a first round pick ( Rogers ) all players have to prove they belong in his scheme and LaVar does a lot of free style for Williams liking he might make some great plays but also give away a lot of costly big one being the gates that everyone has called an example anyway his a diference maker and help pump up the defense the D changed 180 after he came back they played with more fierce .

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How does benching a key player satisfy Snyder? Even if Snyder wanted it, I don't think Gibbs and/or Williams would have agreed to it. They all want to win games (including Snyder), and having LaVar playing gives us a better chance. I believe LaVar didn't play because he wasn't 100% healthy from his surgery. Williams hinted few times, that he didn't practice full-speed. Later on, even LaVar admitted that when he watched some films on him, he wasn't running full-speed.

Also, Arrington failing to cover Gates.....not too many players can cover Gates on consistent basis. Besides, ability to drop back and cover was never Arrington's strong points.

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(lol, and eyes rolling)

This is another Wash DC conspiracy theory. The team and Arrington settled it, and for a lot less than the $8M. Part of the reason was Arrington was not in top shape from his injuries, hence didn't have a spectacular camp. Another is that the other LBs were doing quite good. Another was that he freelanced too much and apparently cost us big yards on occasion, which apparently PO'd the coaches.

Finally, the negativity he had with his contract and his blaming the francise for his injuries etc did not sit well with the coaching staff. 'Me first' attitudes and Joe Gibbs have never mixed, folks, and that's why we shouldn't see TO in a Skins uniform (!!!). I doubt he was in the right frame of mind to listen to his coaches back then.

Now and on to a 10-6 year!

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that was my reason all along for LA not playing.

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Well repent your sins, give up all your material possessions. The apocalypse is upon us, I agree with Offiss...to an extent.

I don't believe that LaVar "stinks" or is extremely overrated. Just that the coaches were trying to make him a better player. Arrington has needed something like this to reign him in. He's a great athlete but someone needed to tell him no basically and remind him that it's not all about being the best athlete out there.

I'm not saying Arrington is Michael Jordan, but they're sort of similar situations. Granted, he was never benched but MJ had to learn to play within the triangle and trust his teammates-Pippen, Kerr, Paxson-to take and make the big shots sometimes. He had to decide does he want to be remembered as a great player or as a champion.

So in summary. No conspiracy, Offiss is right, swarm of locusts, fire and brimstone.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.[/QUOTE]



you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

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Sorry, I don't buy that Snyder has any say in who this staff plays and who they don't.

LaVar wasn't 100% healthy early in the season despite what he thought, and he wasn't preparing himself or practicing as hard as he should have been, and he's since admited as much.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?[/QUOTE]

I'd say that right now Marcus Washington is our best and most complete LB.

However, LaVar is still a very talented and productive player and he certainly doesn't "stink". That's just ridiculous to say.

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I think that source picked and matched stories about Coles and Sydner and Wizard of Oz and Pinnochio.

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I said this back when we were actually talking about it... If snyder can tell coles he'll make his ass sit and watch, what make you think he'll be any different with Arrington?

For all of those who say "Gibbs wouldn't play into this, bla, bla, bla" Snyder pays his check too! So what Joe gonna do say no to the guy thats paying him? I don't think so

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?[/QUOTE]

No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.

As for the play involving Gates, I recorded it so I was able to watch the replay a few times, Arrington stood in the D-backfield on the strong side and followed Brees's movement as if he had a chance to make a play on the QB from the secondary, while Gates ran right out into the flat into Arringtons area while Arrington ignored the fact that someone could slip out into the flat, he then only reacted after the ball was thrown and it was to late to catch up, he was the only one out there, and realisticly the only one who should have been responsible for anyone releasing into the flat, and that is why Williams is reluctant to play him, he really is in his own world out there, it just takes one play like that to cost us a game [especially the way our offense keeps teams in the game] and Williams is not willing to risk that.

Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.

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I'm happy to see both Clemons brothers getting playing time, I wish Nic would get more. But maybe it's just me but it seems like Chris Clemons is playing at Holdman's expense, and not so much LaVar's. WH has completely disappeared it seems

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I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7]This was very interesting news that I thought should be shared with my fellow Skins fans. We all remember back in the early weeks of the season when LaVar Arrington was riding the bench and all the rumors of why he was not playing were flying around. Well I got some interesting news recently. I was attending my family reunion last weekend and talking Redskins with one of my distant realtives. He is employed by Washington based radio station WTOP. He was telling me that some of the sports guys around the station were talking about the real reason LaVar wasn't playing. If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. Well suppoedly Dan Snyder was not to pleased with this decision and told Joe Gibbs that he had to bench LaVar for a few weeks. This story seems to fit and would make sense if Snyder was really pissed about the decision. Also the source which this comes from is a reliable one in WTOP. This is one scenario that may never be proven since Snyder would do his best to cover this up. I think this is an interesting topic to discuss so.....Discuss.[/QUOTE]

Thats crazy.....why would risk us missing the playoff's over money that not his....

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]Like I said there is only one guy who made the call to not play L.A. and that is Gregg Williams........ right or wrong he is the reason......[/QUOTE]


Exactly, ever noticed which way Gibbs is facing when the D is on the field? He brought GW in and gave him full control on that side of the ball. No way Lavar was benched because of the arbitration, simply like the coaches said. They did not like what they saw of him in practice.

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[QUOTE=PhxRedSkin]Exactly, ever noticed which way Gibbs is facing when the D is on the field? He brought GW in and gave him full control on that side of the ball. No way Lavar was benched because of the arbitration, simply like the coaches said. They did not like what they saw of him in practice.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I said this back when we were actually talking about it... If snyder can tell coles he'll make his ass sit and watch, what make you think he'll be any different with Arrington?

For all of those who say "Gibbs wouldn't play into this, bla, bla, bla" Snyder pays his check too! So what Joe gonna do say no to the guy thats paying him? I don't think so[/QUOTE]

Sure Snyder talked a bunch of trash, but did it actually happen?

No, because he was just talking out of his ass.

Do you really think Gibbs would go for crap like that? An owner telling him who he can and can't play?

He wouldn't have come back to deal with an owner like that.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.[/QUOTE]

Far better at it? I thought you were all about production. Clemons has two sack this year. If he can come out of this season with anywhere close to 10 sacks, I might buy that.

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[QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.[/QUOTE]

So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

;)

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I don't think this is accurate. First of all, LaVar did not get his money. He claimed the Skins owed him another $6.5 million bonus that was no where in the contract and wasn't even in the rough drafts of the contract. LaVar didn't have a leg to stand on in arbitration according to most of the things I have read. The Skins threw him a bone by altering a couple of provisions of his contract including added incentives, but in the end LaVar came nowhere close to receiving an additional $6.5 million bonus.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

;)[/QUOTE]

Uh oh Matty. Pleasssse tell me this isn't going to turn into another Ramsey vs. Brunell thread. What have you done?!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

;)[/QUOTE]


Lavar has started and played for how many years? Ramsey has had what kind of opportunity? And yes Ramsey's production was better than Brunells last season, I do believe it was the bases for Gibbs naming him the starter at the end of last season. Has Lavar had opportunities this year to play? I believe the answer is yes, Has he had more than 1 quarter in the first game? Yes, Does he play an easier position to learn than Ramsey? Yes. Does the fact that Ramsey had a brand new recieving corps factor into a slowed start? Yes, as I stated before it took Brunell almost 2 games before he actually made a play. So in closing, Lavar has had opprtunities to prove himself, and doesn't come close to pressuring the QB, while at the same time Clemons alway's seems to be pressuring the QB even if he doesn't get the sack.

Whoever want's to believe Lavar is this great LB, go right ahead. But please don't compare his situation with Ramsey's, it's not even close.