How to Beat the G-Men
 

Ok so this game was great, and its sweet to dominate Dallas, but next week is gonna be crucial. I can think of two things we need to do well to beat the NYG. First i think the most imp thing is establish a solid running game with Portis. I do not know the exact stats, but I think if he has a good game the Redskins tend to win. Good running will open up the pass, and hopefully we will continue to take shots downfield, and not get conservative. Another thing i think we need to do is to get after Eli. We cannot give him time in the pocket to complete passes. Hopefully our pass rush from this game will carry on. Another thing i just thought of was Ray Brown, we need the old man to step up, and his success will influence our passing and running game. Well thats all I can think of this late. Anyone else think of other things we need to do?

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The fans have got to be LOUD again, like they were today! We need to take away Manning's ability to audibilize, by making so much noise that he can't change the play at the line of scrimmage. That means the defense can tee off against him, and Greg Williams can scheme away. Why do you think we got 7 sacks today?! It was because of all that noise: Dallas couldn't call audibles.

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I hate to find something wrong with yesterday, but we must do something about kickoffs and coverage. They were getting the ball at their 10 and moving it out past the 30 on almost every kickoff. We need to force the Giants to put 70+ yard drives together to score, else it will be a long day.

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Fan noise eliminates audibles and leads to false starts. Combine that with an effective pass rush and I think Manning will be flustered. That said, we do need to keep an eye on Tiki Barber and prevent him from breaking any big runs. If he has to slog it out at two or three yards a pop, I think we can wear him down, if not force him into turnovers.

On offense, we need to establish the run and make them respect the deep ball.

If we can do that, we'll win. If Tiki breaks big runs or we can't get pressure on Eli, then things will get tough.

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#1 Priority on D: STOP THE RUN. Tiki has been running wild. Take that away and make Eli throw.

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ball control with the running game and winning time of possesion and the turnover thing

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Control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Win the turnover battle. Stay in Eli's face the entire game.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]Ok so this game was great, and its sweet to dominate Dallas, but next week is gonna be crucial. I can think of two things we need to do well to beat the NYG. First i think the most imp thing is establish a solid running game with Portis. I do not know the exact stats, but I think if he has a good game the Redskins tend to win. Good running will open up the pass, and hopefully we will continue to take shots downfield, and not get conservative. Another thing i think we need to do is to get after Eli. We cannot give him time in the pocket to complete passes. Hopefully our pass rush from this game will carry on. Another thing i just thought of was Ray Brown, we need the old man to step up, and his success will influence our passing and running game. Well thats all I can think of this late. Anyone else think of other things we need to do?[/QUOTE]

Those points are all well and good, but I'd have to rank our top 3 priorities as such:

#1 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#2 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#3 - STOP TIKI BARBER

Not to sound like a broken record of every sports announcer, but the guy is seriously underrated. He basically carries that team. How many 200+ yard games has he run for? 200+ against us last time, 220 on Saturday - the guy's a beast. Sure Eli has the potential to light things up, but he's young and inconsistent, and as of late has been tossing INTs right and left.

I'm pretty confident we can stop Shockey, Buress and Eli, but Tiki scares the living sh!t out of me. Seems like everyone focuses in on Shockey or Eli and totally forgets Tiki, and he then proceeds to torch you for some previously unheard of rushing stat.

I think this game will be won or lost based on the defenses ability to stop Barber.

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Guess who is #1 in false start penalties? None other than the NY Giants.

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On offense:
Take the gameplan form this week and transpose right into the gameplan for the Giants. Run CP wide and make there depleted LB corp make plays. Run away from Strahan and towards Umenyora(sp?) who is suspect on the run. Get Cooley one on one with anybody since I don't think a LB can cover him and a Corner can't tackle him. Get Sellers in as a blocking TE to help with Strahan AND he can also act as a once in a while dump off guy who will probably never get covered. Finally get Moss the ball 10 or so times either on screens or flys.

On defense:
Others have said it and I guess it is pretty obvious. Their offense goes as Tiki Barber goes. Stop him and make Eli beat you. Eli has looked suspiciously average for weeks but Tiki has been carrying them so no one has said much about this. Gotta plain and simple lock Tiki down. I doubt we can pressure the QB like against Dallas because the Giants line isn't a bunch of stiffs but some creative blitz packages ought to confuse and terrify young Eli. First play of the game we need to blitz Taylor and have him absolutly destroy Manning even if it costs a penalty. Scare the living f*&^ out of him. I mean just a nasty hit that crack the pysche.

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Guys just play smash mouth football like you played us and you'll have no problem put a lot of presure to Eli and he will give the ball away all day control the ball kepp gettng the ball to moss and Coley and you'll have no problem.

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I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.

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Game Plan vs G-Women

1) Stop the run. Tiki Barber is the G-Women's best weapon. Contain him and put them in obvious passing situations.
2) Keep pressure on Manning. Force Manning to move around and make bad throws.
3) Run the ball. Eat up the clock. Keep the G-Women offense on the bench. Set up playaction passing.
4) Force turnovers and don't commit any.

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Don't forget.....Giants D-back Curtis DeLoach is there for burning. Burn him early and often.

All I can say is...Skins fans, please show up to the game. I did my part yelling my guts out yesterday, but will be out of town next weekend.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.[/QUOTE]

Did you also notice that Killings is pretty beastly? He always got a huge push up front.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm feeling pretty good about our run 'D' right about now. Griffin is the key. I'm sure these guys are just chomping at the bit to prove that the 1st meeting was a fluke when Tiki tore us a new one.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to add that Salavea'a deserves a lot of credit here too. Griffin is awesome because he tends to turn his blocker and get past him to the RB. Salavea'a goes a little more unnoticed because he basically is just the immovable object. He doesn't always penetrate and make a stop in the backfield, but if you watch him during a run play, you see he never gets moved. No matter how big a guy he's going against, he always holds his ground. It's great, it's like having a giant boulder right in the middle of the line on every play. Him and Griffin deserve so much credit, they are like rocks that can't be moved, and it allows the LBs to go make the tackles. With both of these guys healthy, Barber isn't going anywhere, I'm convinced Tiki is going to be shut down like nobody's business.

Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.

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The skins just need to show up with the same entensity and stop the run. If you can shut down Barber, the Giants are beatable. FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS! 12th man needs to bring it again!!!!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'd like to add that Salavea'a deserves a lot of credit here too. Griffin is awesome because he tends to turn his blocker and get past him to the RB. Salavea'a goes a little more unnoticed because he basically is just the immovable object. He doesn't always penetrate and make a stop in the backfield, but if you watch him during a run play, you see he never gets moved. No matter how big a guy he's going against, he always holds his ground. It's great, it's like having a giant boulder right in the middle of the line on every play. Him and Griffin deserve so much credit, they are like rocks that can't be moved, and it allows the LBs to go make the tackles. With both of these guys healthy, Barber isn't going anywhere, I'm convinced Tiki is going to be shut down like nobody's business.

Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, without a doubt having Big Joe back in there is huge as well for the D-line..

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'd like to add that Salavea'a deserves a lot of credit here too. Griffin is awesome because he tends to turn his blocker and get past him to the RB. Salavea'a goes a little more unnoticed because he basically is just the immovable object. He doesn't always penetrate and make a stop in the backfield, but if you watch him during a run play, you see he never gets moved. No matter how big a guy he's going against, he always holds his ground. It's great, it's like having a giant boulder right in the middle of the line on every play. Him and Griffin deserve so much credit, they are like rocks that can't be moved, and it allows the LBs to go make the tackles. With both of these guys healthy, Barber isn't going anywhere, I'm convinced Tiki is going to be shut down like nobody's business.

Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.[/QUOTE]

I think the fact that AP is missing in the middle for the G- Men sorta offsets, if you will, the Thomas injury.

Half the yards Tiki got against KC was because they didn't want to tackle the guy. I expect us to wrap him up good.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.[/QUOTE]

I'm concerned about having Thomas out too - on the plus side, Larry Johnson racked up 167 yards and 2 TDs on 31 carries against the Giants on Saturday. Unfortunately it pales in comparison to Barber's 220 yards and 2 TDs, but clearly the Chiefs were able to run on the Giants.

The week before the relatively unheard of Ryan Moats of the Eagles had 114 yards against Giants, and the Seahawks and Shaun Alexander got 110.

Of course the Giants won most of those games (only lost to the Seahawks).

Seems like the Giant's run D is average - they've stuffed it some games, and given up big others.

I think the X-factor in all the Giant's wins is Tiki Barber. They're inconsistent on D and their passing game, but Tiki is just solid.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I'm concerned about having Thomas out too - on the plus side, Larry Johnson racked up 167 yards and 2 TDs on 31 carries against the Giants on Saturday. Unfortunately it pales in comparison to Barber's 220 yards and 2 TDs, but clearly the Chiefs were able to run on the Giants.

The week before the relatively unheard of Ryan Moats of the Eagles had 114 yards against Giants, and the Seahawks and Shaun Alexander got 110.

Of course the Giants won most of those games (only lost to the Seahawks).

Seems like the Giant's run D is average - they've stuffed it some games, and given up big others.

I think the X-factor in all the Giant's wins is Tiki Barber. They're inconsistent on D and their passing game, but Tiki is just solid.[/QUOTE]

Great points. Especially with Pierce out, I'll bet Gibbs can scheme up a way to get Clinton going.

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Scary stats on Tiki Barber from a Sportsline article by Clark Judge (yeah I hate him too):

"The Giants running back not only has two of the league's three 200-yard rushing games this year, he's on schedule to finish with a career-best 1,802 yards rushing and 2,283 yards from scrimmage. In his past five starts he hasn't run for fewer than 112 yards in any game; he has averaged 27.6 carries and 144 yards rushing per start; and he has comprised [B]44.8 percent[/B] of the Giants offense."

Pretty impressive RB I'd say. Shut down Tiki and you (presumably) kill half their offense.

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Some good points have been brought up. We need to improve on special teams, and stop Tiki. It is interesting how he has steadily improved in his career, throughout his ups and downs. The last time I remember, Tiki was on the downfall, because of his fumbling problem. I do however know the secret to his success, its because he went to uva. (haha I am a student there ;)

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The G-Man are going to run, run, run and run to the left. Even yesterday we gave up a big run on the left and that's were the G-Man will go too. It worked last time!

We need to play solid defense and that's all there is to it.

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Left? Maybe there's something by the name of LA that we are missing.

To Holdman's credit, he played a pretty good game.

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It's pretty simple - Eli had a lousy game against us at the Meadowlands, but Tiki bailed him out with 200+ yards. Stop Tiki, and force the Giants into passing situations, I'm confident that our D and the 12th man will rattle Eli and the NY offensive line.

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Did Griffin play in the first game?

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]#1 Priority on D: STOP THE RUN. Tiki has been running wild. Take that away and make Eli throw.[/QUOTE]


EXACTLY! We stop Tiki Barber, we win the game. Its that simple.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Did Griffin play in the first game?[/QUOTE]

If you are refering to the last game we played agaisnt the Giants, no he didn't play.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Did Griffin play in the first game?[/QUOTE]
He started but was injured early on. This started the stretch of 4 games where he didn't play.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]EXACTLY! We stop Tiki Barber, we win the game. Its that simple.[/QUOTE]
Not sure it is "that simple" but it definitely gives us a much better shot at winning.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]EXACTLY! We stop Tiki Barber, we win the game. Its that simple.[/QUOTE]
I don't think any D can completely stop Tiki the way he's playing this year. He's such a well conditioned back that he can break one when everybody's worn down. BUT, our D-line is playing much better ball which may allow us to get some coughs/INTs from Eli and maybe even Tiki. We need to convert those opportunities like we did yesterday to win

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Tiki will break a big run or two, but if our D can keep him out of the end zone and pressure Manning, we can keep Barber from hurting us the way he did last time.

This game's even bigger than the Dallas game, and the fans played a key role. We need the fans to go crazy against the Giants, too. I was at FedEx yesterday, and I hope the fans going Saturday are ready to be just as loud!

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[QUOTE=onsidekick]I don't think any D can completely stop Tiki the way he's playing this year. He's such a well conditioned back that he can break one when everybody's worn down. BUT, our D-line is playing much better ball which may allow us to get some coughs/INTs from Eli and maybe even Tiki. We need to convert those opportunities like we did yesterday to win[/QUOTE]

Remember that Tiki put 200+ on us when Cornelius Griffin was hurt. It's obvious that our D is much superior with Grif manning the middle.

Looking at Barber's 2 games against us last year (with Griffin in the lineuup):

18 carries for 42 yards (2.3 average)
15 carries for 38 yards (2.5 average)

Zero TDs for both games. I love our chances against backup tackles in a LOUD FedEx field. Limit Barber, and our D tees off on Eli much as it did against Bledsoe.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]
Question is, can we run on the Giants without Randy Thomas? We're going to have to change a lot of our running schemes because Ray Brown can't pull like Thomas could.[/QUOTE]

Schneed you're on point with that. definitely don't think we can counter-trey all day like we did vs. Dallas without Thomas. we're gonna have to do more vanilla runs without the pulling. the answer? drop Robert Royal and keep Sellers in to lead block (that's my big Redskin agenda of the moment). no one hits people like that guy, he's the perfect answer for the running part of that problem, lets hope he's worked on pass protection a bit.

again you're on point with Griffin, he was ACHING to play vs. his former team, but was hurt and couldn't. This is the time.

Barber, their monstrous Dline, and their recievers are our biggest worries.

what are the chances of LaVar playing??? we need him to stop Barber and get to Manning, if he's in with Griffin we could maybe repeat what happened with Dallas. if Manning gets time, he'll kill us with Burress and Toomer or deadly screens to Finn and Barber.

Pierce is out, so we need to attack that middle with Cooley (he's been working the outside so much, we could benefit changing it up), Sellers/Portis inside combo, and Thrash, we need Thrash back to take those inside slants now more than ever.

Harris, Springs and Rogers need to get some REST this week!

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Yesterday was the best I've seen the Redskins Defense play since last season. They were hitting out there and punishing any one who attempted to catch the ball. To win agianst the Giants,the skins have to study these Giants like they did the boys. keep Manning on his back and bottle up Tiki. The Offense has to control the ball and possession time. Consistently put points up on the board. Win the take away battle.

Good things for us:
1. It's at home ~the 12th man has to show up big for us!
2. It's a must win for us, if we win we'll be in better position for playoff contention
3.We beat the boy's~ that is a major confidence boost

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[QUOTE=mheisig]Those points are all well and good, but I'd have to rank our top 3 priorities as such:

#1 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#2 - STOP TIKI BARBER
#3 - STOP TIKI BARBER

Not to sound like a broken record of every sports announcer, but the guy is seriously underrated. He basically carries that team. How many 200+ yard games has he run for? 200+ against us last time, 220 on Saturday - the guy's a beast. Sure Eli has the potential to light things up, but he's young and inconsistent, and as of late has been tossing INTs right and left.

I'm pretty confident we can stop Shockey, Buress and Eli, but Tiki scares the living sh!t out of me. Seems like everyone focuses in on Shockey or Eli and totally forgets Tiki, and he then proceeds to torch you for some previously unheard of rushing stat.

I think this game will be won or lost based on the defenses ability to stop Barber.[/QUOTE]


I agree, so far this season Tiki Barber has been the heart beat of the Giant's offense. If we can limit his production we will win the game.

Boy!! yesterday's game reminded me of old times. We couldn't find much to complain about yesterday.

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Joe is the man but I seriously spent a lot of time in the 2nd half yelling at the TV that he needs to take out starters, including Portis and Brunell but also others - we're already banged up and it was 35-0 at home at night in the cold. This loss (Randy Thomas) hurts - did you see him running up and down that field bashing people out of the way? I love Ray but can't rely on him - who else do we have to replace RT?

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Love the optimism and the detail in your posting. Still - and I'm as excited as I've been since late 1999 about this team - this is a serious hurdle coming up. This team utterly spanked us last time; just a horrendous beating. Anyway I think that even with all the positives (game at home, Pierce out, Giants less at stake, 3-game win streak for us and generally positive/confident clubhouse, peaking at the right time, still no injury problems for Brunell this late, possible Arrington return, etc.) it's going to be one of those games where just everybody needs to totally step up to another level - just take over the game in the middle of the second quarter or something and say we'r
e at home and we ain't leaving tonight without a win - god how I pray. Hope all is well.