Redskins-Cowboys Rivalry: Does it Still Top Your List?
 

The Redskin Cowboy rivalry had been slowly fading for a decade. Mostly because we haven't been very good. I have even been leaning towards hating Philly more than Dallas. Mostly because of the Philly fans. I think it's fair to say we really pissed the Dallas faithful off this year and now they really hate us again! I mean a whole generation didn't really understand what the big deal was between these two teams. I really have a problem with Philly, but I grew up hating the Cowboys. No love for the Giants, but they are third on the list. The Question is? Do we still hate Dallas the most? Hate being a passionate football fan term.

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Yes, we hate Dallas the most. Why? Because, until this year, they always assumed that a game against the Skins = easy win. That's why those bastards scheduled their ring of honor ceremony on Monday Night Football when the Skins went to TX, they just assumed it would be another Cowboy ass kickin. Yep, no doubt in my mind, we hate the Boys the most, followed by the Eagles, and then Giants.

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Since i have been a fan the skins have been dominated by the cowboys. I hate the cowboys more than anyother organization in the history of the world.

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what? why is this a question? It is a cardinal rule to despise the Cowpies. There are two teams I root for the Skins and anyone playing Dallas. The games may not have meaned that much for many years in terms of the play-offs, but a game against Dallas has always had meaning. Tell me why the cowpies only win in their 1-15 season was against the skins. That is because they got up for it. Why did the get up for it? Because it was the Redskins. The players may not talk the trash in the paper anymore and the teasm may not play trickes on each other and mock each other anymore, but the fans do. They fans remember and hold the "hate". From what I hear, having not been at the game, FedEx was as loud as RFK yesterday, and I thought that could never happen. That was because of the importance of the game and the fact that it was Dallas. I certainly hope we are able to muster the same passion when we play New York saturday.

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Basically I can't stand that the Eagles fans think that Fed Ex is their home away from home. That makes me more mad than anything that the Cowboys fans can muster.

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I actually kind of consider it sacrilege to think that anybody other than Dallas is our biggest rival. The Eagle fans are obnoxious, true. But rivals are about the team, not about the fans. If you ask Joe Gibbs which of the 3 NFC East teams he wants to beat the most, he'll tell you I want to beat all three. But then you'll see him smiling a little broader when we get a W over the Cowboys. That's your proof that the Cowboys are still the biggest rival.

Just because we fans want to see the idiotic Eagles fans eat crow, that doesn't make the Eagles the TEAM's biggest rival. Ask any Redskin who they want to beat most, they'll say Dallas. Ask any Cowboy who they want to beat most, they'll say Washington.

Gibbs vs Parcells. I mean come on, how could it not be Dallas?

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso]Basically I can't stand that the Eagles fans think that Fed Ex is their home away from home. That makes me more mad than anything that the Cowboys fans can muster.[/QUOTE]

it wasn't their home this year. Man i hate philly fans too. you cna see there ignorance in this thread [url="http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16088.1540"]http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16088.1540[/url] that has been building all year. But i hate dallas more as a team. I guess i make a distinction among fans and the team. There are a lot of band wagon philthy fans and they soon will jump off.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I actually kind of consider it sacrilege to think that anybody other than Dallas is our biggest rival. The Eagle fans are obnoxious, true. But rivals are about the team, not about the fans. If you ask Joe Gibbs which of the 3 NFC East teams he wants to beat the most, he'll tell you I want to beat all three. But then you'll see him smiling a little broader when we get a W over the Cowboys. That's your proof that the Cowboys are still the biggest rival.

Just because we fans want to see the idiotic Eagles fans eat crow, that doesn't make the Eagles the TEAM's biggest rival. Ask any Redskin who they want to beat most, they'll say Dallas. Ask any Cowboy who they want to beat most, they'll say Washington.

Gibbs vs Parcells. I mean come on, how could it not be Dallas?[/QUOTE]

I've never been to Dallas, but I have been to Philly. And no offense to those who call it home (I have family there), I think that city has no redeemable values. And the fans' crass is a reflection of that city's putridness (that a word?).

But like you say Schneed it is about the team, not the fans. And really what makes the Dallas rivalry better is the success Dallas has had in this league; and how often times either the Redskins or Cowboys were in the other's way to a greater goal. The Eagles have been the dominant team in the division the past few years, but they have no history of success like Dallas and the Skins do. They've done nothing really.

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Dallas is our #1 rival--as Joe Gibbs put it, "I get sick when I see that color blue". I hate all the other NFC east teams, but Dallas is in a class by itself. I hate Dallas.

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I've always despised the cowpies. Some of my earliest memories are being gleeful about a Skins win and taunting all the cowpie fans in school or being taunted after a Skins loss. Like Gibbs said, I just a feel a little sick to my stomach when I see that blue star and silver helmet. So, it always means more to me when we beat the cowpies. Now, the iggles are a different story. I never had a problem with them so much until Buddy Ryan and his bodybag comment. Then, I started paying attention to just how... evil their fans are. So, now, I guess I despise the iggles, too, but not as much as the 'pies. However, I despise their fans far more than 'pie fans.

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Glad to see that the rivalry is still on.

It's a little different for Cowboys fans I think.
We want to beat the Skins the most but we don't hate them so much. I think a lot of the nasty things from this rivalry came about a generation or two before the majority of fans came to be.

Things like Clint Murcheson buying the rights to the song 'Hail to ...' and coercing Washington to vote for the Dallas franchise to be admitted to the NFL (or however that went, it's way before my time).

That was a loooooooong time ago.

What has happened recently to make supporters of each team hate each other?

Really, Dallas smothered you guys for ten or so years and for a lot of those years we weren't going anywhere anyway. All we did was sweep you.

I respect the type of football that is played in the NFC East. I love beating any team from the East. But I don't hate you guys. (Well, never say never.)

I hate San Francisco. I hate the Packers, I refuse to speak to their fans. I hate the entire AFC, home of the weakest Super Bowl champions in the past 25 years.

But I am starting to develop a hate for you guys again. A sweep will do that for you.

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You know, 5RINGS, I don't like to use the word "hate," but there's just always been something about Dallas that always made we want not just to beat you guys but really demolish and demoralize your team. That's why I enjoyed Sunday's game so much; it reminded me, in some ways, of the '82 NFC title game. Man, my favorite football memories all seem to be the Skins against Dallas - Ken Houston sacking Staubach, Dexter Manley puttin' a hurt on Danny White, Dave Butz taking Dorsett down with a finger in his jersey sleeve...

Yet, I've never "hated" Dallas fans. And I've respected a lot of your players and coaches... after they took off that star! I had the chance to meet Tom Landry once. What a gentleman. I had great respect for him. Same with Staubach.

The 'iggles, though, now they're another story. They and their fans are just thugs. I despise them AND I don't respect them...

All that said, it is good to see the rivalry back and I hope it stays. It's past time for the NFC to step back into the limelight and push the AFC back to "junior" status...

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I'll use the word hate, at least in football terms. I hate Dallas, hate their fans, hate it when the beat us, etc. Yes, I hate Dallas.

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As do I. Now, let me preface this by saying that this is not true of ALL Dallas fans, but it seems to me that the fans that are left, are the ones that magically became fans in the mid-90s. I wonder why? Typically, when I meet an obnoxious Cowboys fan, I'm like, "Who was their QB before Aikman?" and most often the response I get is "Staubach". I mean COME ON. Most Skins fans are knowledgeable on most of the history of the team.

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Glad to see that the rivalry is still on.

It's a little different for Cowboys fans I think.
We want to beat the Skins the most but we don't hate them so much. I think a lot of the nasty things from this rivalry came about a generation or two before the majority of fans came to be.

Things like Clint Murcheson buying the rights to the song 'Hail to ...' and coercing Washington to vote for the Dallas franchise to be admitted to the NFL (or however that went, it's way before my time).

That was a loooooooong time ago.

What has happened recently to make supporters of each team hate each other?

Really, Dallas smothered you guys for ten or so years and for a lot of those years we weren't going anywhere anyway. All we did was sweep you.

I respect the type of football that is played in the NFC East. I love beating any team from the East. But I don't hate you guys. (Well, never say never.)

I hate San Francisco. I hate the Packers, I refuse to speak to their fans. I hate the entire AFC, home of the weakest Super Bowl champions in the past 25 years.

But I am starting to develop a hate for you guys again. A sweep will do that for you.[/QUOTE]

I think Cowboys fans don't have the intense hatred for the Redskins now because the Cowboys have been able to dominate the Skins so much in the last few years, and the Redskins never stood in the way of any of the Cowboys' goals. Until this year, that is.

We Skins fans hate Dallas so much because they swept us every single year for so long. When the tables get turned on you, you start to see why the team is so intense about it.

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YES I HATE DALLAS! I have been to Dallas many times for one thing or another, as I lived in the Houston area for several years. I have been to Skins/Boys games in Texas stadium. Let me tell you, it's a treat being a Skins fan living in Tejas.
However, as far as large cities go, Dallas is a worldclass city. The fans I have known are much like myself. Rabid about their own team. The Boys like the skins have a proud heritage of East domination, and Super bowl wins. My HATRED is born much from respect, as rivals competing for the common goal.
I have never been to Philly, don't have a desire to go. My impression of the fans is disgraceful. Take Rocky 1-5 out of the equation, and you have a third world country. NOT THE SAME THING! Playing them is "Takin' out the TRASH"

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I've never been to Dallas, but I have been to Philly. And no offense to those who call it home (I have family there), I think that city has no redeemable values. And the fans' crass is a reflection of that city's putridness (that a word?).[/QUOTE]

I think it's "putrididity".

The Dallas vs. Philly debate reminds me a lot of a college basketball parallel. My father went to Duke, so I've been bred with a preternatural disdain for UNC. When the Maryland program had their great run a few years ago and UNC was on the schneid, the Maryland fans I know said that they were Duke's rivals now. Duke fans thought the Terps may have been a better team, but that doesn't make you a rival. UNC and Duke will always be rivals, like Dallas and Washington. There may be spirited competition between other franchises, but if you only get one rival, you can't change it because one side or the other slips.

When Jimmy Johnson took over the Cowboys, they promptly went 1-15. The season was a success, because the "one" was the Redskins. Would the same be true if the Eagles were the team they beat? I doubt it. We have a chance to sweep the Eagles this year. Though I hope it happens for playoffs sake, will I tell my children about it like I did Monday morning when I got home? Not likely. We swept the [B]Cowboys[/B]. This was a very good year.

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Because of rampant free agency, these rivalries just are not what they used to be. Today a player is one of the good guys, tomorrow he's on the other side and I find it hard to get jacked against a guy I like a few months earlier. I think the same is true for the players, unlike the old days when they were the same guys on the same teams playing each other year after year, it was a real rivalry now its a big game but not the hated rival of the past.

Free agency has been good for the players but bad for fans of old rivalries like me.

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[QUOTE=Hog1]YES I HATE DALLAS! I have been to Dallas many times for one thing or another, as I lived in the Houston area for several years. I have been to Skins/Boys games in Texas stadium. Let me tell you, it's a treat being a Skins fan living in Tejas.
However, as far as large cities go, Dallas is a worldclass city. The fans I have known are much like myself. Rabid about their own team. The Boys like the skins have a proud heritage of East domination, and Super bowl wins. My HATRED is born much from respect, as rivals competing for the common goal.
I have never been to Philly, don't have a desire to go. My impression of the fans is disgraceful. Take Rocky 1-5 out of the equation, and you have a third world country. NOT THE SAME THING! Playing them is "Takin' out the TRASH"[/QUOTE]

Dallas is a great city if one likes boarded up buildings and those that are left close at 5pm. The city has no buzz and no night life. I have been a few times on business and stayed in the city, yuck. Gimme Ft. Worth any day.

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[QUOTE=irish]Because of rampant free agency, these rivalries just are not what they used to be. Today a player is one of the good guys, tomorrow he's on the other side and I find it hard to get jacked against a guy I like a few months earlier. I think the same is true for the players, unlike the old days when they were the same guys on the same teams playing each other year after year, it was a real rivalry now its a big game but not the hated rival of the past.

Free agency has been good for the players but bad for fans of old rivalries like me.[/QUOTE]

Great point irish,

also I wanted to add I don't hate Eagles or their fans cause they are beneath contempt.

I have been to Philadelphia. I stayed in the only nice area in the city. It is only a matter of time before Philly completes its transformation into Camden NJ.

I liked the energy on South street, as it got darker, it got way thuggier.

I went for a hockey playoff game and couldn't believe the behavior of their fans. I was with three other large guys who were ready to fight if necessary, but I saw some really sad behavior from their fans.

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[QUOTE=irish]Dallas is a great city if one likes boarded up buildings and those that are left close at 5pm. The city has no buzz and no night life. I have been a few times on business and stayed in the city, yuck. Gimme Ft. Worth any day.[/QUOTE]

Haven't been in a few years Irish, but most big cities in this country have the usual downtown "sprawl"

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i hate dallas from way back.to the years of kilmer and jurgey,to sam wyche and "die you dogs,die"phrase.there will be something special in my house hold every time our beloved skins meet the hated cowboys.by the way,the white on white is really growing on me

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Great point irish,

also I wanted to add I don't hate Eagles or their fans cause they are beneath contempt.

I have been to Philadelphia. I stayed in the only nice area in the city. It is only a matter of time before Philly completes its transformation into Camden NJ.

I liked the energy on South street, as it got darker, it got way thuggier.

I went for a hockey playoff game and couldn't believe the behavior of their fans. I was with three other large guys who were ready to fight if necessary, but I saw some really sad behavior from their fans.[/QUOTE]

The philly fans are one of a kind.

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I hate Dallas more for all the heartbreak they've caused us over the years, and I hate their fans for being bandwagon, flag waving types only during the good times.

That said, I hate Philly fans far more than Dallas fans, because just listening to a Philly fan, you'd swear they've won 4 Super Bowls. At least Dallas and Washington fans have a history to back their trash talk. With Philly fans, it's all false bravado, and when they know they don't have a leg to stand on in the debate, they resort to picking a fight. Note to Philly fans - just shut the f' up about Andy Reid, his brilliant salary cap management, and your wonderful team until you've won something.

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]Great point irish,

also I wanted to add I don't hate Eagles or their fans cause they are beneath contempt.

I have been to Philadelphia. I stayed in the only nice area in the city. It is only a matter of time before Philly completes its transformation into Camden NJ.

I liked the energy on South street, as it got darker, it got way thuggier.

I went for a hockey playoff game and couldn't believe the behavior of their fans. I was with three other large guys who were ready to fight if necessary, but I saw some really sad behavior from their fans.[/QUOTE]

OK I have to put a stop to this. You guys who are criticizing Philadelphia are taking it too far. I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia and work in the city, and you just don't know what you're talking about.

First, there are multiple nice sections of the city. If you've been to South Street, you probably stayed in Center City which encompasses several nice neighborhoods, from Rittenhouse Square to Old City. There are several other very nice parts of Philly like Chestnut Hill and Roxborough in the Northwest, University City where U of Pennsylvania is located, and Manayunk in the west where you'll find some of the best local music and bar scenes in the entire country.

Areas just surrounding the Center City area get rough. I work at Temple Health System, which is located just north of Center City, and it's very rough around here. West of University City is very rough. South Philadelphia is rough in sections. So if you found Philly rough, it's probably because the nice section you were in was surrounded by rougher areas. But if you actually visited other areas your tune would change.

I have no problem with ragging on Philly fans because they are crass and moronic. But don't rag on the city when you don't know what you're talking about. Saying it's transforming into Camden is asinine. Luxury condos are springing up all over Center City, the city's population is growing thanks to folks who are migrating from the suburbs into the nice sections of the city. If anything, Philly is growing nicer.

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All this is not to say that the fans who show up at the Linc are not assholes. They are assholes. They go to get drunk first and watch football second. But you can't let football fans be the only people that guide your impressions of a city. For every rabid Philly fan, there are 10 other very sane people. Not everyone around here is nuts.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK I have to put a stop to this. You guys who are criticizing Philadelphia are taking it too far. I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia and work in the city, and you just don't know what you're talking about.

First, there are multiple nice sections of the city. If you've been to South Street, you probably stayed in Center City which encompasses several nice neighborhoods, from Rittenhouse Square to Old City. There are several other very nice parts of Philly like Chestnut Hill and Roxborough in the Northwest, University City where U of Pennsylvania is located, and Manayunk in the west where you'll find some of the best local music and bar scenes in the entire country.

Areas just surrounding the Center City area get rough. I work at Temple Health System, which is located just north of Center City, and it's very rough around here. West of University City is very rough. South Philadelphia is rough in sections. So if you found Philly rough, it's probably because the nice section you were in was surrounded by rougher areas. But if you actually visited other areas your tune would change.

I have no problem with ragging on Philly fans because they are crass and moronic. But don't rag on the city when you don't know what you're talking about. Saying it's transforming into Camden is asinine. Luxury condos are springing up all over Center City, the city's population is growing thanks to folks who are migrating from the suburbs into the nice sections of the city. If anything, Philly is growing nicer.[/QUOTE]

City-wise I'll take philly over dallas any day. Philly is a real city with lots of great sites and night-life. Downtown Dallas is a boarded up wasteland.

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i hate dallas. but recently i've hated the giants the most. it might be because a good friend of mine and his family are NYG fans. i hate tiki barber. i think i just hate that whole filthy state (apologies to the NY 'skins fans that live there).

i do HATE keyshawn johnson and roy williams. just thinking about them makes me hate dallas more.

but then i think of gap toothed strahan and that makes me hate the giants more.

did i say that i hate tiki barber? he's good but no one knows why. he shouldn't be.
i'll be at the game this weekend so hopefully we can crush those chumps as an early xmas present.

i never did hate the eagles that much. i guess bc they dominated so much for a few yrs it wasnt really close. mcnabb never was a bad guy but the more i see him hawkin' soup the happier i am that they blow.

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I say that Dallas is still our biggest rival and will always be. With that said Philly is pure hatred. I hate the fans and that city so much.

One poster was 100% right. They talk about the eagles as if they have won 5 superbowls and they have never accomplished anything. As much as i dislike Dallas I was rooting for the cowboys on quite a few occasions against the eagles because I hate the ignorance and stupidity of Eagles fans.

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To add another thing most Cowboys fans are tolerable. The ones from Dallas aren't that bad. The dallas fans that really annoy me are the ones that live in the Washington area and have never been to dallas. Those are the cowboys fans that I usually hate because they don't know much about football.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK I have to put a stop to this. You guys who are criticizing Philadelphia are taking it too far. I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia and work in the city, and you just don't know what you're talking about.

First, there are multiple nice sections of the city. If you've been to South Street, you probably stayed in Center City which encompasses several nice neighborhoods, from Rittenhouse Square to Old City. There are several other very nice parts of Philly like Chestnut Hill and Roxborough in the Northwest, University City where U of Pennsylvania is located, and Manayunk in the west where you'll find some of the best local music and bar scenes in the entire country.

Areas just surrounding the Center City area get rough. I work at Temple Health System, which is located just north of Center City, and it's very rough around here. West of University City is very rough. South Philadelphia is rough in sections. So if you found Philly rough, it's probably because the nice section you were in was surrounded by rougher areas. But if you actually visited other areas your tune would change.

I have no problem with ragging on Philly fans because they are crass and moronic. But don't rag on the city when you don't know what you're talking about. Saying it's transforming into Camden is asinine. Luxury condos are springing up all over Center City, the city's population is growing thanks to folks who are migrating from the suburbs into the nice sections of the city. If anything, Philly is growing nicer.[/QUOTE]

You are right Scheed, I stayed in City Centre and that part and the old town were gorgeous. I loved it. I loved how the people of the city weren't seperated into groups - either racial or social - that was great. But like three blocks to the west was not so nice dude! And no matter wha, t friggin Camden is just a $5.00 cab ride away! That place sucks.

I'd love to go back and see those better areas you were talking about.