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right now everybodys concerned with his knee,which I think at the very least will keep him out sunday,but what about his shoulder? after he made that block they were working on his shoulder on the sidelines and he only threw 1 more short pass after he hurt his shoulder before he hurt his knee,so we might be looking at a double whammy,I'm assuming his shoulder was ok since he went back in,but who knows

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i think we can win next week as long as ramsey is a manageable quarterback. Having Santana there will help him greatly. If we take an early lead, that should shut down their crowd and make the game easier for us. I think Brunell will be ready if we make the playoffs.

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Who knows... have we had any official word yet??

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No news that I've seen on Brunell yet. But if doesn't make it back by game time and Ramsey was throwing like he was on Saturday we might be able to win with or without Brunell.

But here's hoping Brunell is out there Sunday.

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The injury really didn't look that bad...I'm hoping for the best but then again Gibbs has switched QBs after an injury and still won the superbowl (Doug William replacing Jay Schroeder).

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I think hes not hurt that bad, but if Ramsey starts we need the run game. As well as he as did, I do not think he can throw comfortably for the entire game, like Brunell, esp if they get pressure on him. Those short 3 down situations are fine for Ramsey, but I will be holding my breath if we are throwing with him more than 40 percent of the time.

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I think Ramsey might start.
Gibbs will rely heavily on the run and it'll probably set up a deep longball to santana or Antonio Brown. Redskins will probably push the Eagles around Sunday even if our offense relys only on FG's. Last Saturday the Eagles made the Cardinals look like a championship team. I know it's the vet and I am a cautious fan. I also believe anything can happen. Honestly this Redskins team is not coached by Norv or Marty or Spurrier. Joe Gibbs is back. IN GIBBS WE TRUST!

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One thing I DO like about Ramsey over Brunell is Ramsey's willingness to spread the ball around. He doesn't ALWAYS look for Moss first. We might actually have a Taylor Jacobs sighting this week.

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The mobility factor is a trade off though.

The Eagles, on occasion, can still bring a pass rush. And if you folks have a stationary target sitting in the pocket, the Eagles D gets a distinct advantage

The crazy thing is, although far FAR fetched at this moment, is there could be an NFC title game in Washington between the Cowboys and Redskins in DC

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The crazy thing is, although far FAR fetched at this moment, is there could be an NFC title game in Washington between the Cowboys and Redskins in DC[/QUOTE]

I was thinking that this past weekend. In that respect I want the cowboys in the playoffs. What a way to really spark the rivalary. :dallas:

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it wouldnt get any sweeter than that!

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Brunell hasn't really played well in the last few games; it's been an opportunistic defense along with Portis, Moss, and Cooley that have carried us. Brunell does bring some mobility, but he also has a tendency to look for the first option, and then throw the ball away. Although he did improvise well on the first drive, with the flip to Robert Royal, and then also sidestepping Osi and scrambling to make a first down, it seems that any time he has thrown the ball over the middle the last three weeks, he has been intercepted, or off on his throws. Both of Moss's long touchdown passes against the Giants resulted from his playmaking ability, and not great throws. Even the catch against the Cowboys was a great play by Moss, and not necessarily a great throw. I agree, Ramsey seems to atleast push the envelope and make some throws down the middle, and spread the ball around. I thought he did well against the Giants, by not holding on to the ball too long, and even sidestepping a pass rush and throwing the ball away. Except for the first Cowboys game, I can't say with any certainty how many games Brunell has won for us, and who is to say that Ramsey or any other QB couldn't have pulled out a win for us at home against SD and OAK where we couldn't run or abandoned the run. I'm not worried either way, but I would like a healthy quaterback under center rather than an injured one.

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If last year was an indication of Brunell playing hurt, put his ass on the bench till hes full speed. Hopefully he'll be fine and play well, but I think Ramsey can do everything ( and more ) except buy time with his feet that Brunell can do.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]Brunell hasn't really played well in the last few games; it's been an opportunistic defense along with Portis, Moss, and Cooley that have carried us. Brunell does bring some mobility, but he also has a tendency to look for the first option, and then throw the ball away. Although he did improvise well on the first drive, with the flip to Robert Royal, and then also sidestepping Osi and scrambling to make a first down, it seems that any time he has thrown the ball over the middle the last three weeks, he has been intercepted, or off on his throws. Both of Moss's long touchdown passes against the Giants resulted from his playmaking ability, and not great throws. Even the catch against the Cowboys was a great play by Moss, and not necessarily a great throw. I agree, Ramsey seems to atleast push the envelope and make some throws down the middle, and spread the ball around. I thought he did well against the Giants, by not holding on to the ball too long, and even sidestepping a pass rush and throwing the ball away. Except for the first Cowboys game, I can't say with any certainty how many games Brunell has won for us, and who is to say that Ramsey or any other QB couldn't have pulled out a win for us at home against SD and OAK where we couldn't run or abandoned the run. I'm not worried either way, but I would like a healthy quaterback under center rather than an injured one.[/QUOTE]

Brunell has been fine, outside of the Arizona game he's posted a QB rating of at least 99.2 in 3 of his last 4 games.

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It's the little things Brunell does that will be missed, like avoiding sacks and getting the guys organized at the line of scrimmage without having to call timeouts.

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Ramsey still looked very uncomfortable under center. Almost like he's got something to prove and is putting too much pressure on himself. If he needs to start, though I think the rest of the starting 22 has so much confidence in themselves that all he has to do is manage the game.

If Ramsey starts:

Portis/Betts/Rock will have to run for 30+
Thrash will get several catches as his saftey valve. They've always seemed to have chemistry
Cooley will get several catches short across the middle. Ramsey's strength is his short game.
The O-line will need to pocket protect like they haven't before. Ramsey can't make plays running like Brunell can.
Moss will need to be ready to adjust to the ball. Ramsey has a cannon, but not very accurate.

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ESPN just said its a minor sprain and he is day to day

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Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.[/QUOTE]



sweet, hopefully the skins can get a decent trade for ramsey.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]sweet, hopefully the skins can get a decent trade for ramsey.[/QUOTE]

If Ramsey looks good this Sunday, maybe we can not only get a pack of nabs for him, but maybe a 6-pack of soda too.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Pat Cohen of NFL .com was just interviewed on the fan, and he was asked what he thought about Ramsey if he had to play? And he said "that he knows quite a few GM's in the league who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, he said theres a higher opinion of Ramsey around the league, than the Skins fan base will give him," he looks for Ramsey to play well for us.[/QUOTE]

Pat Cohen? Is he or was he a great GM or something? I do not know who he is? Should I respect his opinion?

The truth is this the first winning team that Ramsey has been a part of since his high school team. That is seven years of losing.

His Tulane teams when he was the starter went:
1999 3-9
2000 6-5
2001 3-9

No bowl games.

We know how his Redskin teams have done.
I like Ramsey alot, he is a great person and a great team player. I like him on our team.
But I am yet convinced he is a primetime NFL QB yet.

Brunnell led us here, if he is healthy, he should start. Brunnell's Redskins are 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Brunnell's Redskins are 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

brunell's skins are 8-6. give one game to ramsey since he started the first game and ended the last.:)

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Oh come on now, why do we have to start this Brunell/Ramsey thing again. Stop worrying about who lines up behind center and just root for the Redskins.

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Gibbs said the MRI showed no structrural damage to Brunell's knee, and that there also was no swelling. That appeared to be their major concern, whether the knee was going to swell. His status is listed as day to day, and that he "probably" will be ready to play sunday.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]Brunell hasn't really played well in the last few games; it's been an opportunistic defense along with Portis, Moss, and Cooley that have carried us. Brunell does bring some mobility, but he also has a tendency to look for the first option, and then throw the ball away. Although he did improvise well on the first drive, with the flip to Robert Royal, and then also sidestepping Osi and scrambling to make a first down, it seems that any time he has thrown the ball over the middle the last three weeks, he has been intercepted, or off on his throws. Both of Moss's long touchdown passes against the Giants resulted from his playmaking ability, and not great throws. Even the catch against the Cowboys was a great play by Moss, and not necessarily a great throw. I agree, Ramsey seems to atleast push the envelope and make some throws down the middle, and spread the ball around. I thought he did well against the Giants, by not holding on to the ball too long, and even sidestepping a pass rush and throwing the ball away. Except for the first Cowboys game, I can't say with any certainty how many games Brunell has won for us, and who is to say that Ramsey or any other QB couldn't have pulled out a win for us at home against SD and OAK where we couldn't run or abandoned the run. I'm not worried either way, but I would like a healthy quaterback under center rather than an injured one.[/QUOTE]
well said!!!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Oh come on now, why do we have to start this Brunell/Ramsey thing again. Stop worrying about who lines up behind center and just root for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

Nobody loves a QB controversy like Skins fans!

We could have had Marino in his prime and we still wouldn't have been happy.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Pat Cohen? Is he or was he a great GM or something? I do not know who he is? Should I respect his opinion?

The truth is this the first winning team that Ramsey has been a part of since his high school team. That is seven years of losing.

His Tulane teams when he was the starter went:
1999 3-9
2000 6-5
2001 3-9

No bowl games.

We know how his Redskin teams have done.
I like Ramsey alot, he is a great person and a great team player. I like him on our team.
But I am yet convinced he is a primetime NFL QB yet.

Brunnell led us here, if he is healthy, he should start. Brunnell's Redskins are 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs.[/QUOTE]


He was a gm with the jets, or partly, along with Ron Wolfe, he was the guy who moved up to get Farve, but couldn't get up far enough and Atlanta nailed him, Wolfe left for Green bay and made the trade for Farve.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]Brunell hasn't really played well in the last few games; it's been an opportunistic defense along with Portis, Moss, and Cooley that have carried us. Brunell does bring some mobility, but he also has a tendency to look for the first option, and then throw the ball away. Although he did improvise well on the first drive, with the flip to Robert Royal, and then also sidestepping Osi and scrambling to make a first down, it seems that any time he has thrown the ball over the middle the last three weeks, he has been intercepted, or off on his throws. Both of Moss's long touchdown passes against the Giants resulted from his playmaking ability, and not great throws. Even the catch against the Cowboys was a great play by Moss, and not necessarily a great throw. I agree, Ramsey seems to atleast push the envelope and make some throws down the middle, and spread the ball around. I thought he did well against the Giants, by not holding on to the ball too long, and even sidestepping a pass rush and throwing the ball away. Except for the first Cowboys game, I can't say with any certainty how many games Brunell has won for us, and who is to say that Ramsey or any other QB couldn't have pulled out a win for us at home against SD and OAK where we couldn't run or abandoned the run. I'm not worried either way, but I would like a healthy quaterback under center rather than an injured one.[/QUOTE]


Nice post SF, the problem is if a player is on the bench he is immediatly discarded as incapable, as if brunell is the only one who could run our offense, Ramsey if he gets a start against the Eagles will take any doubt away that he wasen't capable of doing everything Brunell has done and then some, but my thought is here that Brunell if at all possible will be playing against the Eagles, if he doesn't, look out because Ramsey will make believers out of a lot of doubters.

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I was proud to see Patrick have such a good game in relief for Brunell. I'm sure it did much for his feelings of contribution to team/season/etc. It is a luxury today to have any competant QB much less a talented starter and BU. If Brunell can't go I feel pretty good Joe and the "bunch' can hammer out a game plan to take advantage of his talents without much letdown!

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[QUOTE=offiss]Nice post SF, the problem is if a player is on the bench he is immediatly discarded as incapable, as if brunell is the only one who could run our offense[/QUOTE]

Perhaps that's true with a small portion of fans, but I think the majority of us still have faith in Ramsey but ultimately feel that Brunell is still our best option.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Perhaps that's true with a small portion of fans, but I think the majority of us still have faith in Ramsey but ultimately feel that Brunell is still our best option.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Plus, Brunell has played in games with the playoffs on the line, so he has the experience we need right now.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Ramsey if he gets a start against the Eagles will take any doubt away that he wasen't capable of doing everything Brunell has done and then some, but my thought is here that Brunell if at all possible will be playing against the Eagles, if he doesn't, look out because Ramsey will make believers out of a lot of doubters.[/QUOTE]


If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.

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It is the $64,000.00 Question for sure.
[IMG]http://yoursondemand.com/store/catalog/lggotbrunell.jpg[/IMG]

I hope so. P. Ram is fine but like Daddy always said....

"Ride the horse that brung ya here"

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]If he starts, I hope this does happen. Heck, if he leads this team all the way to a Super Bowl victory, even better! I believe it comes down to how well Ramsey can improvise. In our opening scoring drive, Brunell had to improvise a couple times (the scramble for a first down and the last minute shovel pass to Royal) in order to keep the drive alive. It remains to be seen if Ramsey has that same presence in mind to improvise when things break down. I believe those things are aspects of a long time veteran quarterback.[/QUOTE]

I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.

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AT THIS point in the season, to imply, suggest, reference ANYTHING be changed to upset a cohesive, comradic, Winning, DANGEROUS Redskin team unlike anything seen in Redskin land since the last time JOE built one is beyond logical, or LUCID thought!
I am to adjectively exhausted to say more

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I will have to say that I was impressed with how Ramsey ran the O. He was efficient but far from great. Lets remember he only threw 7 passes and made 5 for 105 yards and one of them was for 75 yards which Moss made a great catch and move for the TD. I know Brunells TDs were not the best passes of the year but every time we hear a case for Ramsey we hear about Brunells flaws even if we won the game. With that said I feel Ramsey has learned alot form watching Brunell and how he manages a game. If you think about it this is the first time Ramsey has realy had a chance to watch a winning QB for the Skins and how they manage a game.

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on comcast brunell listed as day to day.they also showed him walking to his car without a limp.i gotta think he will play.if not,ramsey is more than capable of beating the eagles.it looked like he might have learned a few things sitting like throwing the ball away,checking to safety valve passes,and getting the ball out faster.i want brunell to play but ramsey is a more than adequet backup that alot of other teams would covet

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I sprained my MCL in high school and was able to play the next week. Not that high school football is anywhere near the level of the NFL, but I can relate to the injury itself. It was painful but my knee was stable, and if Brunell is in the same boat I think he should be able to play. Plus I think it's safe to say he's getting better treatment than I did. ;)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I liked how Ramsey threw it away once and he also seemed to get the ball out quick and he didn't hesitate to dump it off.[/QUOTE]

I believe that is why I feel that sometimes it's just as important to spend time on the sidelines watching a veteran quarterback run the offense. Ramsey has had the opportunity to see what Brunell does when situations break down. Patrick looked like he made good decisions. I still believe our best bet is to go with Brunell this Sunday if he's healthy. This might work out well for us, because Philly isn't going to know which QB to gameplan for.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I sprained my MCL in high school and was able to play the next week. Not that high school football is anywhere near the level of the NFL, but I can relate to the injury itself. It was painful but my knee was stable, and if Brunell is in the same boat I think he should be able to play. Plus I think it's safe to say he's getting better treatment than I did. ;)[/QUOTE]

Matty, are you available if called upon?