Bill Musgrave's Impact
 

I don't remember this being discussed here before but Bill Musgrave should get a ton of credit for turning around Brunell's career...again...and also with Patrick Ramsey's development. This guy was an unheralded signing this past offseason and I think he is quietly doing an outstanding job. One of Joe Gibbs' strengths has always been putting good people in key coaching positions.
I can't think of any other reason Brunell has been so much different this year. He said he wasn't hurt last year. Why would he lie?

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And convincing Gibbs to use the shotgun.

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Interesting comment about Musgrave. I think, indirectly, Santana Moss has been a big benefactor of Musgrave being on the staff.

What I mean by this is, I think Musgrave more than any other coordinator has helped Gibbs tweek his schemes a little here and there.

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I think Musgrave should be a strong candidate for Offensive Coord. when Gibbs leaves. Hell, they ought to think about demoting Breaux and Burns to consultants and make Musgrave Offensive Coord. next season...or at least give him a title that sounds more important..how about "deputy assistant head coach" or some such gibberish.

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I wonder what type of head coach candidate Musgrave would be in, let's two or three years?? Provided that GW ends up elswhere.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine]I think Musgrave should be a strong candidate for Offensive Coord. when Gibbs leaves. Hell, they ought to think about demoting Breaux and Burns to consultants and make Musgrave Offensive Coord. next season...or at least give him a title that sounds more important..how about "deputy assistant head coach" or some such gibberish.[/QUOTE]Whoever Gregg Williams like is cool with me. Anyone notice how many ex-skins coaches are with Marvin Lewis in CIN? That's why it scares me of talks that Williams will leave at seasons' end.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I wonder what type of head coach candidate Musgrave would be in, let's two or three years?? Provided that GW ends up elswhere.[/QUOTE]None whatsoever. West coast offenses compliment strong defensive play though.

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My hats off to Musgrave...he's made a bigger impression on the offense and the quarterbacks than what I gave him credit for in the beginning.

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Unless you guys have inside knowledge this is all supposition. I haven't heard or read anything that would indicate Musgrave has had a big influence on anything.

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i was talking about this the other day.what exactly is musgraves job title?is it quarterbacks coach.if so,what is he responsible for?

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I don't really know how much of a presence Musgrave has had in this offensive turnaround. All he is (officially) is an offensive assitant slash qb coach. What kind of things has he done, specifically, that Ernest Byner, Jack Burns, Don Breaux, & Rennie Simmons have not?

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]I don't really know how much of a presence Musgrave has had in this offensive turnaround. All he is (officially) is an offensive assitant slash qb coach. What kind of things has he done, specifically, that Ernest Byner, Jack Burns, Don Breaux, & Rennie Simmons have not?[/QUOTE]
Well he is the only change to the staff from last year so I guess it is human nature to see that as something that changed the offense's fortunes. I would guess he may have had some to do with it but lets not get carried away and annoit this guy a head coaching candiate yet. He failed miserably in Jacksonville as OC so he needs a little more success before we go that far I would say.

One change that took place this year (I believe) is that Burns took over the majority of the play calling and as the season has progressed I'd say it ahs gotten better and better. Anyone know what the play calling structure was last year versus this year?

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I remember reading that Burns and Breaux sit in the box up top and relay prospective playcalls, but Gibbs has final say. That article (from the WP early this season) also hinted that while Burns has been less involved in playcalling this year, he continues to provide input.

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quarterback coach is his title description.
he must of helped with a few ideas but i truly think joe gibbs has that knack to put the right people in the right spots and lets them do what they do best.

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I think Musgrave has had an influence on bringing some west coast flavor to the offense, but how much of an impact is debateable.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Well he is the only change to the staff from last year so I guess it is human nature to see that as something that changed the offense's fortunes. I would guess he may have had some to do with it but lets not get carried away and annoit this guy a head coaching candiate yet. He failed miserably in Jacksonville as OC so he needs a little more success before we go that far I would say.

One change that took place this year (I believe) is that Burns took over the majority of the play calling and as the season has progressed I'd say it ahs gotten better and better. Anyone know what the play calling structure was last year versus this year?[/QUOTE]

I believe Breaux is the offensive coordinator.

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I still wish we would impliment the quick draw into the game plan, I believe this would really utilize Portis's running abilities, as well as help slow down the pass rush with the fake.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I still wish we would impliment the quick draw into the game plan, I believe this would really utilize Portis's running abilities, as well as help slow down the pass rush with the fake.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if Portis ran it at all in Denver?

I know he's said he's more comfortable running out of a single back set, so perhaps he's just not comfortable/familiar with the draw?

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[QUOTE=davy]Unless you guys have inside knowledge this is all supposition. I haven't heard or read anything that would indicate Musgrave has had a big influence on anything.[/QUOTE] Well, you can see that last year without him our passing game was definitely worse than it is this year. This change can be attributed to a number of factors I guess, but I am sure Musgrave had to have some impact on how brunell has progressed.

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he pursuaded the shootgun to gibbs to use

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Not only did Musgrave pursuade Gibbs to use the shot gun, again, but just think about the work load that Musgrave took off of Gibbs by being devoted to the QB's. I am sure that Gibbs asked Musgrave for imput, I mean how could he not. But by bringing Musgrave in to take care of the QB's that gives Gibbs more devoted time to game planning and he is not trying to help the QB's develope, where as that is Musgrave's job. I think that it was a smart move for Gibbs to do this, not only does it bring in "New Blood" with an offense perspective, but it takes some of the work load off of Gibbs...

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Do you really think it's a coincedence that Brunell had great success at Jacksonville with Musgrave as QB coach, and then turns around his play this year with Musgrave back in his corner?? Also, watch when either Brunell or Ramsey come off of the field after a pick, TD, 4th down, time out, etc: They go right to Musgrave on the sideline to discuss the play. To measure "how much of an impact" he has had is impossible but I don't believe in "coincedences".

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I wonder if Portis ran it at all in Denver?

I know he's said he's more comfortable running out of a single back set, so perhaps he's just not comfortable/familiar with the draw?[/QUOTE]


I believe he did, Shanahan runs the west coast offense and the draw play is a big part of that. But I know the stretch play is Denver's bread and butter, so probably not as much as in other west coast systems, but I do think it would be very condusive to his running style.

I also believe that it was a draw play that Portis scored on on opening day last season against the Buc's, and Portis was quoted as saying that Gibbs never ran that play again the rest of the year, Gibbs was asked about that statement and denied it and laughed it off basically saying Portis really doesn't know what he's talking about in a joking manor, so who know's?

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[QUOTE=offiss]I believe he did, Shanahan runs the west coast offense and the draw play is a big part of that. But I know the stretch play is Denver's bread and butter, so probably not as much as in other west coast systems, but I do think it would be very condusive to his running style.

I also believe that it was a draw play that Portis scored on on opening day last season against the Buc's, and Portis was quoted as saying that Gibbs never ran that play again the rest of the year, Gibbs was asked about that statement and denied it and laughed it off basically saying Portis really doesn't know what he's talking about in a joking manor, so who know's?[/QUOTE]

That opening TD run Portis had was a counter but CP cut it back to the right side instead of following the blocks to the left.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That opening TD run Portis had was a counter but CP cut it back to the right side instead of following the blocks to the left.[/QUOTE]

Yep, you're exactly right Matty. I went back and watched the video clip.