Fresh Start Political Thread
 

The 2021 beyond thread was a great thread for the transition period from Trump to Biden.

A fresh thread feels right, right now imo. If my opinion was wrong, feel free to ignore/delete.

Like that thread, hopefully this can be more future forward in discussion.

I want a flat tax. I have never heard of ToughNickel before. But it looks like a legit site. They had this pro's and con article about the flat tax vs. progressive tax.

[url]https://toughnickel.com/personal-finance/Flat-Tax-vs-Progressive-Tax-Pros-and-Cons-for-the-US[/url]

Anything political can be discussed here, this was just a new site to me. Wish there were more shows, articles, etc. that included at least 2 arguments to every policy, idea, law, etc.

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I have been advocating a flat tax for a while now.

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[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/55savo.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1281392][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/55savo.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Haha, always a great meme. I'm sure by the time in gets to Pg. 2 it will look the same.

4 posts in, no arguing yet though lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281396]Haha, always a great meme. I'm sure by the time in gets to Pg. 2 it will look the same.

4 posts in, no arguing yet though lol.[/quote]

Just wait till the drunk old uncle comes and ruins everything.

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Flat Tax Pros and Cons

[B][U]Pros [/U][/B]

easy to understand and comply with, thereby reducing errors and tax fraud

professional tax preparers and advisors no longer needed, saving money for taxpayer

lawmakers can no longer create tax loopholes in exchange for campaign contributions or other personal favors

businesses can make decisions designed to better serve the marketplace and their stockholders, instead of trying to beat the tax code

may encourage investment and expansion, as additional profit is not taxed at a higher rate

[B][U]Cons[/U][/B]

may shift tax burden away from the rich, to the middle and lower class

elimination of deductions may have negative impact on taxpayers with lower income

government cannot use the tax code to encourage desirable activities, such as giving tax credits for making a home more energy-efficient

thousands of government employees and tax professionals would lose their jobs, or suffer a large decrease in business

effects on government revenue of converting to a flat tax are difficult to predict accurately

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From that article alone, looking at their list of pros and cons ... id be a strong no to a flat tax.

Currently, low income dont pay anything, middle class takes the brunt as paying 20-30% making 80k to 120k does tighten the belt, and rich people pay 33% but theyre rich and use accountants and loop holes to pay less.

Im middle class, I think we get screwed the most.

Flat tax means we tax the poor more and tax the rich less? In what world does that sound fair in a country where wealth distribution is ridiculous.

Money is a tool to build schools, put food on tables, allow families to own a home ... its the fuel needed to further our society and the betterment of all.

The top 10% of this country, the elite rich, hold 69% or more of the money in the US. The poor people today are just as poor as the poor people 20 years ago.

When the elite rich hold vast sums of money and just put it on the shelf in some stock or CD investment .. that money isnt being used, its not fueling progress for society. Money is but a means to make life better for the individuals and our country as a whole.

Elite rich just hoarding money and not putting back into society is a problem imo.

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If your focusing on poor people not paying taxes on their 34k a year income .. youre barking up the wrong tree imo.

Also corporate taxes are a joke.

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In 2018, Amazon posted income of more than $11 billion, but the company paid $0 in federal taxes. In fact, thanks to tax credits and deductions, Amazon actually received a federal tax refund of $129 million. That was a year after Amazon received a $137 million refund from the federal government for 2017.
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon-had-to-pay-federal-income-taxes-for-the-first-time-since-2016.html[/url]

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Lets actually tax the profit off giants like Amazon and the elite rich ...

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Flat tax has always sounded great in principle, but once you start drilling down you see it's not a great answer.

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[quote=SunnySide;1281400]Flat Tax Pros and Cons

[B][U]Pros [/U][/B]

easy to understand and comply with, thereby reducing errors and tax fraud

professional tax preparers and advisors no longer needed, saving money for taxpayer

lawmakers can no longer create tax loopholes in exchange for campaign contributions or other personal favors

businesses can make decisions designed to better serve the marketplace and their stockholders, instead of trying to beat the tax code

may encourage investment and expansion, as additional profit is not taxed at a higher rate

[B][U]Cons[/U][/B]

may shift tax burden away from the rich, to the middle and lower class

elimination of deductions may have negative impact on taxpayers with lower income

government cannot use the tax code to encourage desirable activities, such as giving tax credits for making a home more energy-efficient

thousands of government employees and tax professionals would lose their jobs, or suffer a large decrease in business

effects on government revenue of converting to a flat tax are difficult to predict accurately

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From that article alone, looking at their list of pros and cons ... id be a strong no to a flat tax.

Currently, low income dont pay anything, middle class takes the brunt as paying 20-30% making 80k to 120k does tighten the belt, and rich people pay 33% but theyre rich and use accountants and loop holes to pay less.

Im middle class, I think we get screwed the most.

Flat tax means we tax the poor more and tax the rich less? In what world does that sound fair in a country where wealth distribution is ridiculous.

Money is a tool to build schools, put food on tables, allow families to own a home ... its the fuel needed to further our society and the betterment of all.

The top 10% of this country, the elite rich, hold 69% or more of the money in the US. The poor people today are just as poor as the poor people 20 years ago.

When the elite rich hold vast sums of money and just put it on the shelf in some stock or CD investment .. that money isnt being used, its not fueling progress for society. Money is but a means to make life better for the individuals and our country as a whole.

Elite rich just hoarding money and not putting back into society is a problem imo.

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If your focusing on poor people not paying taxes on their 34k a year income .. youre barking up the wrong tree imo.

Also corporate taxes are a joke.

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In 2018, Amazon posted income of more than $11 billion, but the company paid $0 in federal taxes. In fact, thanks to tax credits and deductions, Amazon actually received a federal tax refund of $129 million. That was a year after Amazon received a $137 million refund from the federal government for 2017.
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon-had-to-pay-federal-income-taxes-for-the-first-time-since-2016.html[/url]

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Lets actually tax the profit off giants like Amazon and the elite rich ...[/quote]

I like the flat tax, but with no taxes on anyone on the 1st 30K. Maybe even 40K.

Doesn't matter if you make 30K or 100M, no taxes on the 1st 30K.

I am fine with lower income earners not paying federal taxes. They need every dollar they earn.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281404]I like the flat tax, but with no taxes on anyone on the 1st 30K. Maybe even 40K.

Doesn't matter if you make 30K or 100M, no taxes on the 1st 30K.

I am fine with lower income earners not paying federal taxes. They need every dollar they earn.[/quote]

[IMG]https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5f5be2eb6e8c24dcd1b7cc77/960x0.jpg?fit=scale[/IMG]

^^ projected 2021 tax bracket.

Ted Cruz suggested a 10% flat tax ... how would that work? Id pay maybe 5k less in taxes .. Kanye West would pay 5 million less in taxes.

Im not an anti flat taxer, I just dont see how it would work. Seems countries like Estonia and Ukraine use a flat tax but the US?

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[quote=SunnySide;1281409][IMG]https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5f5be2eb6e8c24dcd1b7cc77/960x0.jpg?fit=scale[/IMG]

^^ projected 2021 tax bracket.

Ted Cruz suggested a 10% flat tax ... how would that work? Id pay maybe 5k less in taxes .. Kanye West would pay 5 million less in taxes.

Im not an anti flat taxer, I just dont see how it would work. Seems countries like Estonia and Ukraine use a flat tax but the US?[/quote]

It would have to be higher than 10%, that's for sure. I'd imagine somewhere between 15-20% would be the landing spot.

I'm fine with people paying less in taxes. I want everyone to keep as many as their dollars as possible. As long as the system isn't gamed for cheating.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281411]It would have to be higher than 10%, that's for sure. I'd imagine somewhere between 15-20% would be the landing spot.

I'm fine with people paying less in taxes. I want everyone to keep as many as their dollars as possible. As long as the system isn't gamed for cheating.[/quote]

If I make 86,376 next year, my payable tax is $14,751 ..

Under a 20% flat tax .. id pay $17,275.20 If my first 32k isnt taxed at all, id pay $10,875.20 ($54,376*.2)

Under a 20% flat tax where my first 32k isnt taxed .. id save $3,876 but id lose the ability to claim deductions etc so who really knows. I dont. So why even buy a house with mortgage interest, why invest in a roth ira .. you get no tax benefit from these under a flat tax (I assume)

Kanye on the other hand would save what? 5 million to 10 million per year?

Even if we do a 15% flat tax, Id save pennies compared to what the elite rich would save.

Wouldnt our tax revenue plummet?
Doesnt this just benefit the rich?
Wouldnt we have to slash all support like SS, medicare, medicaid etc .. just so Kanye can pocket 35 million instead of 30 million?

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I want corporations and the elite rich to pay taxes .. instead of focusing on us under 100k people who have to grind out a living.

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Russia is blocking off the Black Sea, possibly to increase it's military presence against Ukraine.
[url]https://justthenews.com/government/security/putin-will-block-foreign-warships-entering-black-sea-kerch-strait[/url]
[quote]The move materialized after Russia on Tuesday warned the U.S. to avoid the area "for their own good," prompting the Biden administration to cancel plans for two U.S. Navy warships to enter the Black Sea.[/quote]

Don't worry though, Pres Biden knows how to handle this -
[quote]"Now is the time to de-escalate," he said. "The way forward is through thoughtful dialogue and diplomatic process."[/quote]

I am sure that makes Eastern European countries rest easy.


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Of course he tucked tailed ala Obama and the Ukraine/Crimean debacle.

Watching the Middle East next...the Iran strategy is straight garbage. Obama/Biden previously handed out American billions cash which was confirmed used to support the Yemen civil war, proxies in Iraq and against oil fields in Saudi Arabia and of course the big shocker, terrorist attacks from hezbollah/hamas against Israel.

Of course some believe Israel shouldn’t pay attention to the past 10 years and let it happen all over again without recourse. Yeah, Israel is in the wrong 🤡

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Russia and China ... how do you handle that? Meet their aggression and play chicken with another super power? Do nothing and let china and Russia be bullies in their regions? Sanctions that never seem to curb any behavior?

I don’t think there’s any good answer. We will probably continue to express “deep concern” and schedule a series of phone conferences.

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[quote=SunnySide;1281469]Russia and China ... how do you handle that? Meet their aggression and play chicken with another super power? Do nothing and let china and Russia be bullies in their regions? Sanctions that never seem to curb any behavior?

I don’t think there’s any good answer. We will probably continue to express “deep concern” and schedule a series of phone conferences.[/quote]

The citizens in those countries don't seem to care.

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[url]https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/more-russian-troops-massed-near-ukraine-than-before-2014-invasion-pentagon-says-1.670423#.YH7ABh_db3Q.twitter[/url]

Pentagon: More Russian Troops at the Ukrainian border than 2014 prior to invasion

I’m sure it’s nothing....Biden will handle it just like he did prior

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[quote=Chico23231;1281634][url]https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/more-russian-troops-massed-near-ukraine-than-before-2014-invasion-pentagon-says-1.670423#.YH7ABh_db3Q.twitter[/url]

Pentagon: More Russian Troops at the Ukrainian border than 2014 prior to invasion

I’m sure it’s nothing....Biden will handle it just like he did prior[/quote]

Whatever he will do , it will be 100 times better then trump letting his buddy putin do whatever he wants.

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[quote=Giantone;1281638]Whatever he will do , it will be 100 times better then trump letting his buddy putin do whatever he wants.[/quote]

Yeah I’m sure it will be tougher than trump’s us soldiers killing Russian mercenaries soldiers in Syria. Trump Giving Ukraine lethal weapons like the Javalin anti tank missile and other arms against Russian troops instead of the Obama administration giving non lethal support such as meal rations. Or trump arming the Kurds to wage war in Syria when Obama refused.

Probably

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[quote=Chico23231;1281644]Yeah I’m sure it will be tougher than trump’s us soldiers killing Russian mercenaries soldiers in Syria. Trump Giving Ukraine lethal weapons like the Javalin anti tank missile and other arms against Russian troops instead of the Obama administration giving non lethal support such as meal rations. Or trump arming the Kurds to wage war in Syria when Obama refused.

Probably[/quote]

Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option

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[quote=SunnySide;1281661]Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option[/quote]

4th option do some serious cold war spy shit and blow up a russian nuclear reactor in siberia with proof China did it. Get them into a true border conflict that turns their attentions away from our allies in asia and europe, then in good Roman fashion, line their borders with irradiated salt so they can't go within 50 miles of other nations.

5th option if that doesn't work, say eff it, bring our troops home and let the world hash out the world's issues.

6th option give them mental health coaching to get past their childhood traumas and heal their inner child.

7th option Putin vs Xi WWE style winner gets the middle east

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1281663]4th option do some serious cold war spy shit and blow up a russian nuclear reactor in siberia with proof China did it. Get them into a true border conflict that turns their attentions away from our allies in asia and europe, then in good Roman fashion, line their borders with irradiated salt so they can't go within 50 miles of other nations.

5th option if that doesn't work, say eff it, bring our troops home and let the world hash out the world's issues.

6th option give them mental health coaching to get past their childhood traumas and heal their inner child.

7th option Putin vs Xi WWE style winner gets the middle east[/quote]

Exactly ... 5th option may ultimately be the only option. Beef up our military and spy cable and try and be as diplomatic as possible.

I know one thing. The second oppostion leader Navalny is reported dead adn Russia has millions protesting .. Russia is invading with their "green men" to secure that water supply and distract attention and give pretense to crack down.

Shit in Russia is about to hit the fan once that guy is reported dead.

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[quote=SunnySide;1281661]Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option[/quote]

I mentioned the javelin because that was the centerpiece of a large arms package. That missile is a game changer on the battlefield, it’s the best, most advanced personnel-launch anti tank Weapon in the world. You can shoot aircraft down with it. While there was...I don’t think anymore...stipulated defensive only use....it worked. It was a deterrent and they did fire some as show of
Force exercise. It was the right move.

China, Russia...what works? 2 extreme, very different country. Russia is trying to exert its self national stages...China is a genocidal, Democratic smashing, plague from hell spreading shithole.

I’d do a lot in confronting both but drastically different approaches

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I think with dealing with both u probably put in charge someone who would be tough, not afraid of confrontation and might revel in it...someone with experience in deal making, maybe puts America first...considered an art in deal making.

Someone like that

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for real?

[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/media/549341-ex-trump-aide-mcenany-knocks-biden-presidents-should-not-inflame-tensions"]Ex-Trump aide McEnany knocks Biden: Presidents should not 'inflame' tensions[/URL]

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[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-announces-run-for-governor-of-california[/url]

GOP making history again!!!

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Russia "withdrawing" troops from the border. Im guessing ... just guessing .. they moved some hardware in and have their "green guys" set up. Not that anything will be imminent but just in case Navalny protests get serious.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281893][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-announces-run-for-governor-of-california[/url]

GOP making history again!!![/quote]

another wealthy reality star woot, should be interesting to see what kind of support she gets from the party considering how transgenders aren't exactly their cup of tea

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[quote=SunnySide;1281894]Russia "withdrawing" troops from the border. Im guessing ... just guessing .. they moved some hardware in and have their "green guys" set up. Not that anything will be imminent but just in case Navalny protests get serious.[/quote]

Saw something interesting on Reddit, someone said Putin might've been testing his military readiness to quickly assemble troops at the border and the US/etc. response time. He's probably happy with the results.

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[quote=MTK;1281897]another wealthy reality star woot, should be interesting to see what kind of support she gets from the party considering how transgenders aren't exactly their cup of tea[/quote]

Trans rights are human rights mtk!

Let’s go and make history

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[quote=mooby;1281898]Saw something interesting on Reddit, someone said Putin might've been testing his military readiness to quickly assemble troops at the border and the US/etc. response time. He's probably happy with the results.[/quote]

...............or not.

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[url]https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-turkey-government-and-politics-middle-east-europe-dbe6bc9ddac90c1393e6c33ff2220781[/url]

Biden recognizes atrocities against Armenians as genocide

This is long overdue and good move here by the administration

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[quote=Chico23231;1281941][url]https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-turkey-government-and-politics-middle-east-europe-dbe6bc9ddac90c1393e6c33ff2220781[/url]

Biden recognizes atrocities against Armenians as genocide

This is long overdue and good move here by the administration[/quote]

Glad we can all agree on that.

Shout out to SOAD for their 20+ year campaign to raise awareness to this. I didn't even know about it until I listened to SOAD.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/04/24/armenian-genocide-1915-massacre-biden/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR22yE7nimQmg18tTPpu_6dXk2Sm4p5xjVwntY1HCNsp5p8hk7KUgw_e2Q0[/url]

Good read on the Armenian genocide. Sounds like they were scapegoated for the Ottoman Empire's failures in WW1.

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Putting this here because I guess it is political but in reality just found the quote funny: [url]https://apple.news/AKgBMGm5fQVGyKyAuKT8vwA[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1281953]Putting this here because I guess it is political but in reality just found the quote funny: [url]https://apple.news/AKgBMGm5fQVGyKyAuKT8vwA[/url][/quote]

LOL, thanks that's great!

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It was mentioned some but unless we want to be in the business of major standoffs until someone blinks, which has no real upside, sending troops into Ukraine is not in our strategic best interests. Efforts need to be clandestine and aimed at politically and economically destabilizing China and Russia. Some of the goofy left field Info Wars esque bullshit some of you guys like to read is intentionally promulgated online by Russian and Chinese bots with the intention of sowing discord so that shit like the capital insurrection happens on a more frequent and larger scale. We need to be doing that kind of stuff to them with greater effectiveness.

Economic destabilization is just as important. As oil prices have risen again, Russia benefits greatly. Anything we can do to keep oil prices down kills them. Flood the market, reduce demand through greener technology, it all undermines Russia’s economy, which is 50% oil.

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[quote=Schneed10;1281958]It was mentioned some but unless we want to be in the business of major standoffs until someone blinks, which has no real upside, sending troops into Ukraine is not in our strategic best interests. Efforts need to be clandestine and aimed at politically and economically destabilizing China and Russia. Some of the goofy left field Info Wars esque bullshit some of you guys like to read is intentionally promulgated online by Russian and Chinese bots with the intention of sowing discord so that shit like the capital insurrection happens on a more frequent and larger scale. We need to be doing that kind of stuff to them with greater effectiveness.

[B]Economic destabilization is just as important.[/B] As oil prices have risen again, Russia benefits greatly. Anything we can do to keep oil prices down kills them. Flood the market, reduce demand through greener technology, it all undermines Russia’s economy, which is 50% oil.[/quote]

I nominate Schneed as the Warpath Secretary of Defense.

I agree with every word of this. Especially the part in bold.

But until we became fully energy independent (which we have all of the ability in the world to do) and can bring back the manufacturing of basic goods and necessities this will be hard to do, especially as it relates to China. Due to cheap manufacturing, they have us by the short hairs.

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[url]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/larry-kudlow-plant-based-beer-joe-biden_n_6084b41ae4b0ccb91c24f815[/url]

Top Trump economic advisor Larry Kudlow says the Green New Deal is gonna make us drink plant-based beer, as opposed to our delicious meat-based beers we enjoy today.

Other than that one gaffe he does a great job of selling fear. No doubt the base will eat that shit up.

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[quote=mooby;1281961][url]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/larry-kudlow-plant-based-beer-joe-biden_n_6084b41ae4b0ccb91c24f815[/url]

Top Trump economic advisor Larry Kudlow says the Green New Deal is gonna make us drink plant-based beer, as opposed to our delicious meat-based beers we enjoy today.

Other than that one gaffe he does a great job of selling fear. No doubt the base will eat that shit up.[/quote]

Cow Blood IPA is my favorite beer.

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JFC what an idiot

[URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rick-santorum-says-there-isn-t-much-native-american-culture-n1265407"]Rick Santorum says 'there isn't much Native American culture in American culture'[/URL]

Santorum, 62, a Republican from Pennsylvania who served in the Senate from 1995 to 2007 and is now a CNN commentator, said there was "nothing here" before European settlers arrived.

"We came here and created a blank slate," Santorum said. "We birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans, but candidly there isn't much Native American culture in American culture."