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Chico23231 10-09-2018 07:43 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
Iím done with Jay Gruden. He has no more excuses

BaltimoreSkins 10-09-2018 07:53 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1202410]Iím done with Jay Gruden. He has no more excuses[/quote]

I think you will find he has plenty of excuses

Schneed10 10-09-2018 08:12 AM

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[quote=skinsfan69;1202386][B]So who the fuck thought Smith was better than Cousins? Man they really know how to fuck up the Qb position here in Washington.[/B] Smith can not carry an offense at all. He has no presence or big play ability to speak of. Now we're stuck with this noodle arm for the next few years. Also we have the most overrated o-line in the league. This is now two times where I've seen them get abused by subpar defenses. And this was a true test for the defense and they just got gashed.

You had two weeks to get ready and this is the best you can do? This does not look good Jay. Not good at all.[/quote]

Yeah I have to admit I had the same thought, re: the bolded. I don't think there's anything wrong with Smith's arm, but Sunday I watched Cousins deliver strikes while falling backwards under duress from Fletcher Cox as he anticipated receivers running to the open area. And last night I watched Smith hesitate and double clutch until the receiver ran open, and by then it was too late to throw.

In the post-game press conference Gruden is up there saying we need to make sure we get our quarterback into plays he's comfortable with. For me, that translates directly to: we're finding out that our QB isn't comfortable with as much as our old one was.

Not a good sign at all. Bruce Allen should be canned now so a new GM can get in and get organized ahead of the draft.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:24 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
That was a typical Redskins MNF game folks, it should be no surprise to anyone here, yes that TD record breaker was staged, I'm sorry but dude was running WIDE open against a defense that has been very good all season, Montae didn't even attempt to tackle, the Brees love was in full effect all week , I had friends text me saying "Rigged" that aren't even skins fans.

Jay Gruden needs to go plain and simple, I said it after last yr but wanted to give him 1 more shot... He's the same with Kirk and Alex, dude cant draw up plays to score in the RZ at all on a consistent basis.

Josh Norman's prime is over, he's still a good CB but he's not that guy anymore. No need to get rid of him since we have Dunbar to be the #1.

WRs suck, PR is flashy but a one trick pony.. Crowder is a #3 at best as we all knew anyway.. It's time to bring in Dez Bryant folks, stop bitching about the guy and realize we need him. He's not great anymore but he's better than what we have.

Overall last night proved we are still a bottom tier AVG at best team.. Nothing has changed or will change until BA, and Jay are fired.

Chico23231 10-09-2018 08:25 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
Bruce Allen and Danny fucked up the qb position again. No surprise to me

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:30 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=Schneed10;1202412]Yeah I have to admit I had the same thought, re: the bolded. I don't think there's anything wrong with Smith's arm, but Sunday I watched Cousins deliver strikes while falling backwards under duress from Fletcher Cox as he anticipated receivers running to the open area. And last night I watched Smith hesitate and double clutch until the receiver ran open, and by then it was too late to throw.

In the post-game press conference Gruden is up there saying we need to make sure we get our quarterback into plays he's comfortable with. For me, that translates directly to: we're finding out that our QB isn't comfortable with as much as our old one was.

Not a good sign at all. Bruce Allen should be canned now so a new GM can get in and get organized ahead of the draft.[/quote]


Alex Smith is not the same type of QB as KC, He's a game manager that takes very few chances but we all knew that... My question is who else did we have to bring in??? Case Keenum? Yeah no thanks.

Jay Gruden this off season "We are built to win now, Alex just has to step in and do the job"

HAHA Dude is a fucking fool.

First of all our best player on offense this yr has been AD and he wasn't even here when Jay made that comment.

2nd of all , we have no #1 WR to throw too, might as well cut Doc now. Reed and Davis are both good TEs but nothing special.

The defense is solid when we play a one dimensional offense.

DynamiteRave 10-09-2018 08:32 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
Iím actually cool with bringing in Bryant. The team is fucked anyway. Might as well.


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Chico23231 10-09-2018 08:33 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=jamf;1202374]I feel like Bruce Smith has been fingerblasting me for days.[/quote]

:laughing-

Post of the year.

What I canít understand is how Bruce Allen has a job while he continues to fuck up the QB position for 10 years.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:33 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=Chico23231;1202414]Bruce Allen and Danny fucked up the qb position again. No surprise to me[/quote]

Kirk didn't want to be here and I cant blame him, we had no other options man. Colt Mccoy? Cmon. Alex has been solid before last night.

mooby 10-09-2018 08:38 AM

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2-14 on Monday night going back to 2008. What a shitshow.

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skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:40 AM

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[quote=mooby;1202419]2-14 on Monday night going back to 2008. What a shitshow.[/quote]

How is that even possible? Unreal.

What is Jays record after a bye??

MTK 10-09-2018 08:43 AM

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Alex isn't a QB that's going to win you many shoot-outs, especially in an offense he's clearly not fully comfortable in yet and with a OL that didn't give him solid protection.

SFREDSKIN 10-09-2018 08:44 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
I would much rather have had Case Keenum and kept Fuller and a 3rd rounder, Iíve seen plentyl of Smith and heís no better than Case.

rocnrik 10-09-2018 08:47 AM

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Okay so how many think we will win next game ?? I actually get on here because some of you are optimistic and actually gave me some hope ... but the ugly truth is this is not a good team much less a playoff team .. now Iím sure some will say we can win the nfc east well keep dreaming .. this team has a coach that if fired today would be fine with me! The Cleveland browns right now are in a much better place than the redskins ..but I along with you guys will still tune in and pull for team but maybe the best thing to do is walk away let it hit rock bottom with empty stands and maybe just maybe dan will fire this staff including Bruce and get a real GM to turn it around

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:47 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;1202422]I would much rather have had Case Keenum and kept Fuller and a 3rd rounder, Iíve seen plentyl of Smith and heís no better than Case.[/quote]

Fuller hasn't been great at all this yr either, their Offense carries that team. Alex is far better than Keenum, we cant overreact after 1 bad night

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 08:51 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
Carolina, Dallas , NYG and ATL

All are winnable games. If we can manage to go 3-1 in that span we can set up a playoff run.. 3 of 4 at home (which means nothing) but still

SFREDSKIN 10-09-2018 08:53 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1202424]Fuller hasn't been great at all this yr either, their Offense carries that team. Alex is far better than Keenum, we cant overreact after 1 bad night[/quote]

Arenít you the one who said this was a great trade and Smith is better than Cousins? Thatís over reacting.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 09:03 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;1202426]Arenít you the one who said this was a great trade and Smith is better than Cousins? Thatís over reacting.[/quote]

It was a great trade considering we needed a QB. I wanted Kirk all along as I said on here a bunch but we all knew he wasn't staying. But SF who else could we have gone out and signed? Sam Bradford? We had no choice. Alex will bounce back

CRedskinsRule 10-09-2018 09:13 AM

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We are still in first, the drubbing was terrible, but the overreaction is just that, overreaction. AS is a winning qb, and will bounce back. Our line seems worse against pressure than it ought to be, but still I think it is one of the top lines.

Our defense made some boneheaded plays early, and Gruden is far far better with a lead than when he gets behind. That's just the way it is. Makes it tough in shootout matches:(

Chico23231 10-09-2018 09:14 AM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1202422]I would much rather have had Case Keenum and kept Fuller and a 3rd rounder, Iíve seen plentyl of Smith and heís no better than Case.[/quote]

Smith isnít going anywhere, we got 2 more years of this garbage. Told everyone you better have a top running game with Alex at qb...when we run the ball he is effective.

He def doesnít have the arm talent of Cousins...if you ever believed that you are a certified idiot

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 09:17 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
Smith may not be here if we get a whole new regime in 2019.. But I don't want to see him gone. He's a good QB guys, not great but good

SFREDSKIN 10-09-2018 09:25 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1202427]It was a great trade considering we needed a QB. I wanted Kirk all along as I said on here a bunch but we all knew he wasn't staying. But SF who else could we have gone out and signed? Sam Bradford? We had no choice. Alex will bounce back[/quote]

I wanted Case Keenum, like I said he would have been cheaper, would have kept Fuller and the 3rd, now thatís in the past and Iíll stop bitching about it. Whatís disturbing about Smith is, he had great halves at AZ and versus GB, then nothing on the second halves and vs Indy and last night. I bet McCoy can find our WRís.

rocnrik 10-09-2018 09:34 AM

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What wrís ? Weakest group in league. We donít have one receiver that we could could get a third round pick for !

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 09:36 AM

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[quote=rocnrik;1202432]What wrís ? Weakest group in league. We donít have one receiver that we could could get a third round pick for ![/quote]

No Dallas is in worse shape but yeah we have a bottom 5 WR group no doubt

KI Skins Fan 10-09-2018 09:45 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1202410]Iím done with Jay Gruden. He has no more excuses[/quote]

Your statement nets it out, Chico. It's time for Jay Gruden to go.

There really isn't any more to be discussed regarding Jay. We can't get where we want to go with him at the helm. It is glaringly obvious.

MTK 10-09-2018 09:47 AM

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It's definitely playoffs or bust for Gruden and Allen.

skinsfan69 10-09-2018 09:53 AM

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We are going to have to go back into the draft and get a qb. You're not going to have a running game every week. You need the most important position on the field to be able to carry the offense sometimes.

Chico23231 10-09-2018 09:54 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=KI Skins Fan;1202434]Your statement nets it out, Chico. It's time for Jay Gruden to go.

There really isn't any more to be discussed regarding Jay. We can't get where we want to go with him at the helm. It is glaringly obvious.[/quote]

Off a bye...his offense gameplan wasnít great...defense simply wasnít ready.

I was more disappointed in the defense honestly. I thought they were bad

NC_Skins 10-09-2018 10:13 AM

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I've been reserved to jumping on the whole "fire Jay" bandwagon the past couple years, but I think I've finally been persuaded. It's time to get rid of Jay Gruden at the end of the season. His teams have NO discipline whatsoever and it shows every single week regardless of a win or not. Penalties. Blown assignments. It happens over and over and over. At this point, you can't say it's on the players because no matter who the players we've cycled in and out, the common denominator is Jay Gruden.


A good speech from Brian Mitchell out it...

[url]https://twitter.com/NBCSRedskins/status/1049649585310846976[/url]


Lets take a look at his record:

2014- (4-12)
2015- (9-7) *won NFCE
2016- (8-7-1)
2017- (7-9)


Look at this. Here we are in year five and the dude STILL doesn't have this team to a playoff caliber level. Let's be real here. 2015 was a fucking fluke. You know it. I know it. Jay knows it. When you win your division with a 9-7 record, it tells you that division sucks. He's produce nothing but mediocrity regardless of the players that have been here. It's time we move on from this experiment. Too bad we let McVay go, he was the guy we needed to keep.

Also, Bruce needs to fucking go right along with Jay.

mooby 10-09-2018 10:16 AM

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Yeah obv it's playoffs or bust for Gruden and Allen, but even if they go do we have any faith in Dan to find the right guy? This team is cursed.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 10:19 AM

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After 4 games

Ryan Kerrigan 1 Sack
Preston Smith 0 sacks.

Holy shit thats bad

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 10:19 AM

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[quote=mtk;1202435]it's definitely playoffs or bust for gruden and allen.[/quote]

playoff win or bust

Ruhskins 10-09-2018 10:22 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=NC_Skins;1202438]I've been reserved to jumping on the whole "fire Jay" bandwagon the past couple years, but I think I've finally been persuaded. It's time to get rid of Jay Gruden at the end of the season. His teams have NO discipline whatsoever and it shows every single week regardless of a win or not. Penalties. Blown assignments. It happens over and over and over. At this point, you can't say it's on the players because no matter who the players we've cycled in and out, the common denominator is Jay Gruden.


A good speech from Brian Mitchell out it...

[url]https://twitter.com/NBCSRedskins/status/1049649585310846976[/url]


Lets take a look at his record:

2014- (4-12)
2015- (9-7) *won NFCE
2016- (8-7-1)
2017- (7-9)


Look at this. Here we are in year five and the dude STILL doesn't have this team to a playoff caliber level. Let's be real here. 2015 was a fucking fluke. You know it. I know it. Jay knows it. When you win your division with a 9-7 record, it tells you that division sucks. He's produce nothing but mediocrity regardless of the players that have been here. It's time we move on from this experiment. Too bad we let McVay go, he was the guy we needed to keep.

Also, Bruce needs to fucking go right along with Jay.[/quote]

I'm not saying that we have a team as talented as last year's Rams, but getting rid of Jeff Fisher was the best thing that could have happened to that team.

I think we're on the same boat in terms of coaching.

SFREDSKIN 10-09-2018 10:27 AM

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One positive to point out is, Jonathan Allen has become the leader of the D and will not take shit from anyone. He comes from a winning tradition and hopefully his attitude will rub off on the others.

Iím beginning to dislike DJ, STFU and play the game:

Redskins safety D.J. Swearinger called Saints receiver Michael Thomas a "clown." Swearinger and the other defensive backs complained about what Thomas would do after the whistle, such as hitting them in the leg and other stuff. "He's just a clown; just clowning," Swearinger said. "Just doing little petty stuff after the play. Petty stuff after the play the referees would call if this wasn't history night for Drew Brees. But we had to fight against the refs and all that, too."

Defensewins 10-09-2018 10:31 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=Schneed10;1202412]Yeah I have to admit I had the same thought, re: the bolded. I don't think there's anything wrong with Smith's arm, but Sunday I watched Cousins deliver strikes while falling backwards under duress from Fletcher Cox as he anticipated receivers running to the open area. And last night I watched Smith hesitate and double clutch until the receiver ran open, and by then it was too late to throw.

In the post-game press conference Gruden is up there saying we need to make sure we get our quarterback into plays he's comfortable with. For me, that translates directly to: we're finding out that our QB isn't comfortable with as much as our old one was.

Not a good sign at all. Bruce Allen should be canned now so a new GM can get in and get organized ahead of the draft.[/quote]

I agree with everything on this post. It is time for Bruce "I am the son of George" Allen to go. We need new leadership and I have never seen a GM do so poorly and not get fired since.....Vinny "Bag o Doughnuts" Cerrato.
Oh, that was with the Redskins as well. Dayum!

SolidSnake84 10-09-2018 10:36 AM

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Jay made lots of statements over the summer, almost making sure to throw shade on Cousins, about how much they upgraded at QB, blah blah blah, how they built the team for Alex to win now. And I thought then that he was basically digging his own hole, that if we tanked, he would for sure be fired.

There's a chance for us to recover but I don't really see it happening because making adjustments / changes isn't really Jay's thing. I think that there will be serious consideration on firing Jay if we get beaten badly by the Panthers. I'm not saying fire him after the game, but I would believe they would be talking about firing him at the end of the last game...

But like many smart folks have said on here: Who coaches the team next? Who would want to come and work for Snyder and Allen?

SFREDSKIN 10-09-2018 10:39 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;1202446]Jay made lots of statements over the summer, almost making sure to throw shade on Cousins, about how much they upgraded at QB, blah blah blah, how they built the team for Alex to win now. And I thought then that he was basically digging his own hole, that if we tanked, he would for sure be fired.

There's a chance for us to recover but I don't really see it happening because making adjustments / changes isn't really Jay's thing. I think that there will be serious consideration on firing Jay if we get beaten badly by the Panthers. I'm not saying fire him after the game, but I would believe they would be talking about firing him at the end of the last game...

But like many smart folks have said on here: Who coaches the team next? Who would want to come and work for Snyder and Allen?[/quote]

Bill Lazor OC Bengals.

Ruhskins 10-09-2018 10:40 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;1202444]One positive to point out is, Jonathan Allen has become the leader of the D and will not take shit from anyone. He comes from a winning tradition and hopefully his attitude will rub off on the others.

Iím beginning to dislike DJ, STFU and play the game:

Redskins safety D.J. Swearinger called Saints receiver Michael Thomas a "clown." Swearinger and the other defensive backs complained about what Thomas would do after the whistle, such as hitting them in the leg and other stuff. "He's just a clown; just clowning," Swearinger said. "Just doing little petty stuff after the play. Petty stuff after the play the referees would call if this wasn't history night for Drew Brees. But we had to fight against the refs and all that, too."[/quote]

Jonathan Allen should be made team captain ASAP.

A quick side note, not that this would have mattered but the refs missed a ton of calls in the first half including: M. Thomas grabbing Dunbar's facemask, a false start by A. Kamara, and several holds on Kerrigan. It was like they wanted to make sure Brees got the record in the first half.

Redskins247 10-09-2018 10:47 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
I have also been reluctant and have been giving Jay every benefit of the doubt, but I'm here now as well. I hated all those years of a new coach every 2 or 3 years, but it's time to try again. To me, what Jay has shown is if he has very good pieces that fit well in his offensive "scheme"...the offense can score some points. But when he doesn't or it's simply not working, he cannot make any adjustments. His team RARELY ever comes back after getting behind, and even in close games at halftime, we never see any changes in the second half to overcome what wasn't working in the first. In just this season, they have done NOTHING in the 3rd quarter of every game!

Chico23231 10-09-2018 10:48 AM

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/09/d-j-swearinger-thinks-theres-too-much-joking-around-at-practice-in-washington/[/url]

Swearinger is right and this has been an observation by many...Gruden practice and camp is too loose.


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