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Schneed10 10-09-2018 10:57 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=Chico23231;1202451][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/09/d-j-swearinger-thinks-theres-too-much-joking-around-at-practice-in-washington/[/url]

Swearinger is right and this has been an observation by many...Gruden practice and camp is too loose.[/quote]

Fully agree. Gruden is too comfortable and he's making things too comfortable for the players. There needs to be some serious heat coming down from the owner on both Allen and Gruden.

MTK 10-09-2018 11:27 AM

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I think we've seen enough of Gruden by now to know what he is. He's a mediocre HC. If you're looking for 7-9 wins he can get you there. He can generally scheme up a pretty good offense, he won't have a problem getting another job as a OC/QB coach.

Barring a major reversal of what his past history says he is, it's time to go HC shopping again this offseason.

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 11:27 AM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1202449]Jonathan Allen should be made team captain ASAP.

A quick side note, not that this would have mattered but the refs missed a ton of calls in the first half including: M. Thomas grabbing Dunbar's facemask, a false start by A. Kamara, and several holds on Kerrigan. It was like they wanted to make sure Brees got the record in the first half.[/quote]

They didn't miss any holds on Kerrigan. Its part of the NFL rulebook that holding Redskins passrushers is allowed, especially if its a chokehold. Was the same with Orakpo and got passed down to Kerrigan.

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 11:36 AM

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I should just never get excited about anything with this team. Tired of playing the fool. Like why would I think anything else but embarrassing ourselves was a possibility last night? It happens every time, but I trick myself into saying we can win. Gruden cannot handle the bright lights and get players to play disciplined/tough football. He's a Sunday at 10:00 a.m. (PCT) kind of guy.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 11:41 AM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=MTK;1202453]I think we've seen enough of Gruden by now to know what he is. He's a mediocre HC. If you're looking for 7-9 wins he can get you there. He can generally scheme up a pretty good offense, he won't have a problem getting another job as a OC/QB coach.

Barring a major reversal of what his past history says he is, it's time to go HC shopping again this offseason.[/quote]

Last night was the 100% Final nail for me man, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt last yr with the QB mess but this is just who he is

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 11:43 AM

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I really hope our next HC is a tough as nails defensive guy that won't take shit like last night. We can then hire a good OC. At this point tho, schemes on offense or defense are secondary in need compared to rebranding the entire team philosophy and attitude. The pathetic display put on last night is all good common and isn't getting fixed. Its all empty words with this team.

rocnrik 10-09-2018 11:45 AM

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The only way this team get to a high caliber is fire Bruce and bring in a real GM and let him do the rest as in fire all the coaches and tell Danny boy Iím running the show ... but I donít think it will happen .. the redskins and cowboys are pretty much in the same place ..owners with huge egos and bad coaching ... neither team is likely playoff bound. Bad part is we got to watch this crap for rest of year. But I guess the only bright spot is 8-8 might win the division so it ainít over..

sevier2 10-09-2018 11:54 AM

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[B]Positive from last nights game:[/B] All my expectations for the season have been shattered and I will no longer stress the outcome of games this season.

I feel some changes a'comin.

Ruhskins 10-09-2018 12:01 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1202454]They didn't miss any holds on Kerrigan. Its part of the NFL rulebook that holding Redskins passrushers is allowed, especially if its a chokehold. Was the same with Orakpo and got passed down to Kerrigan.[/quote]

So you don't think this is a hold?

[url]https://twitter.com/wldthing20/status/1049487232715972608[/url]

or this

[url]https://twitter.com/wldthing20/status/1049487232715972608[/url]

WillH 10-09-2018 12:02 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1202454]They didn't miss any holds on Kerrigan. Its part of the NFL rulebook that holding Redskins passrushers is allowed, especially if its a chokehold. Was the same with Orakpo and got passed down to Kerrigan.[/QUOTE]Apparently there is a rule that "allows" for holding when the defender uses a rip move and gets under the linemans block, and that's why you see Kerrigan with one arm free being held a lot, but I don't know where to find it.

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WillH 10-09-2018 12:04 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[QUOTE=MTK;1202453]I think we've seen enough of Gruden by now to know what he is. He's a mediocre HC. If you're looking for 7-9 wins he can get you there. He can generally scheme up a pretty good offense, he won't have a problem getting another job as a OC/QB coach.

Barring a major reversal of what his past history says he is, it's time to go HC shopping again this offseason.[/QUOTE]So if we win the division at 9-7 and lose in round one, will you feel the same? I think I would, but something tells me they'd get a stay of execution.

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Redskins247 10-09-2018 12:14 PM

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[quote=WillH;1202463]So if we win the division at 9-7 and lose in round one, will you feel the same? I think I would, but something tells me they'd get a stay of execution.

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I really don't think that's going to happen anyway, but let's say it did...and they played a home playoff game and got beat easily PLUS the stands were full of the other teams fans to the tune of 50/50 or so...does Danny make a move then???

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 12:15 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1202461]So you don't think this is a hold?

[url]https://twitter.com/wldthing20/status/1049487232715972608[/url]

or this

[url]https://twitter.com/wldthing20/status/1049487232715972608[/url][/quote]

I was implying that they weren't "missed", the refs see it happening, they're just not going to call it.

WillH 10-09-2018 12:22 PM

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[QUOTE=WillH;1202462]Apparently there is a rule that "allows" for holding when the defender uses a rip move and gets under the linemans block, and that's why you see Kerrigan with one arm free being held a lot, but I don't know where to find it.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Found it on wikipedia:

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive Holding will not be called:
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.
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(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a ďripĒ technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding. Exception: Holding will be called if the defenderís feet are taken away from him by the offensive playerís action.

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rickmmrr 10-09-2018 12:32 PM

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Gruden could be out schemed by a high school football coach. Holy Shit.

The NFL like all business is about money and only money. These Revs get their marching orders and they keep their mouth shut and do what they are told. The NFL needs bodies watching the Tube and bodies warming the seats in the stadium and the NFL will do "anything" to make that happen.

So here's a hypothetical. What if last nights game was where Adrian Peterson was going to break the all-time rushing yards record and the Drew Brees record was not even on the table.
Would the game have gone any differently?

Burgold 10-09-2018 12:34 PM

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This is a song that I'm tired of hearing,the grooves have worn off.As Vince would say-WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT THERE? if any of you reading this still thinks that Gruden has control of this team I feel bad for you because he has loss this team and the sad thing is that help ain't comin not this season which is over by the way..now we will beat-Dallas-The Giants only because they are as inept as we are but those will likely be our only victories for the rest of this year,now I may be wrong but it doesn't matter because the Eagles will win the division and we will be at home crying in our beer as always.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 12:42 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1202465]I was implying that they weren't "missed", the refs see it happening, they're just not going to call it.[/quote]

THis happens to us all the time

htownskinfan 10-09-2018 12:46 PM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1202377]It all went downhill from the very beginning, Jay's decision to go for the bomb instead of sticking to the running game. Has Jay not learned over the years that when the running works it opens everything else?[/quote]

I'm sure Jay knows that,everyone knows that.Coming into this season Jay ran more on first down than any coach in NFL.
I was fine with the bomb on first play,I'd be happy if they did it every week!In today's NFL just get the ball close to receiver and it's a pass interference call.Could have been a big play but piss poor pass as was most of smith's passes last night.I've never seen Smith play like that before,he was terrible!
I would have put in Colt after Smith threw the interception,it was painfully obvious Smith was having off night last night.
I too am sick of gruden,he's right on par with Texans coach,they both suck.
Thank God Jerry Jones has stuck with Garrett this long.
I'm sick of Norman also,and I heard he had a twitter war with Micheal thomas last night that lasted till the wee hours,what an idiot!
Redskins fucked themselves by getting rid of Fuller so we had to keep Norman 1 more year,top paid corner in the league and he's terrible

punch it in 10-09-2018 12:53 PM

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1202418]Kirk didn't want to be here and I cant blame him, we had no other options man. Colt Mccoy? Cmon. Alex has been solid before last night.[/QUOTE]



Kirk wanted to be here for years and we didnít extend him. You know why? Because this fucking franchise under Dick Snyder is allergic to any sort of success. At the end I donít blame him for leaving. Dick and Bruce had ample time to lock him up. Just terrible mismanagement. Remember after we beat the Cardinals it was Kirk who? Lmao. That didnít last very long did it? Ill be rooting for him and the Vikings for the rest of the year since my team has shown me once again that they arenít ready to compete with the big boys. Or even the medium to small size boys. Whatever the fuck that means. Fuckin fucks.

punch it in 10-09-2018 12:54 PM

Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1202418]Kirk didn't want to be here and I cant blame him, we had no other options man. Colt Mccoy? Cmon. Alex has been solid before last night.[/QUOTE]



Duplicate post

punch it in 10-09-2018 12:57 PM

Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[QUOTE=MTK;1202435]It's definitely playoffs or bust for Gruden and Allen.[/QUOTE]



Fuckin phone. Duplicate post again.

Ruhskins 10-09-2018 01:00 PM

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[quote=punch it in;1202471]Kirk wanted to be here for years and we didnít extend him. You know why? Because this fucking franchise under Dick Snyder is allergic to any sort of success. At the end I donít blame him for leaving. Dick and Bruce had ample time to lock him up. Just terrible mismanagement. Remember after we beat the Cardinals it was Kirk who? Lmao. That didnít last very long did it? Ill be rooting for him and the Vikings for the rest of the year since my team has shown me once again that they arenít ready to compete with the big boys. Or even the medium to small size boys. Whatever the fuck that means. Fuckin fucks.[/quote]

Then go to the Purple Pain forum and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Back to the discussion. Please someone fire Jay Gruden now.

punch it in 10-09-2018 01:00 PM

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[QUOTE=MTK;1202435]It's definitely playoffs or bust for Gruden and Allen.[/QUOTE]



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punch it in 10-09-2018 01:01 PM

Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1202474]Then go to the Purple Pain forum and don't let the door hit you on the way out.



Back to the discussion. Please someone fire Jay Gruden now.[/QUOTE]



Did Kirk bang your girlfriend before he left? You hate him with a passion. Lol
The season will be over for this team soon and we will all be pulling for a team to win. Mine is the Vikings and Captain Kirk. Whats wrong with that?
I think it is funny how you hold only Jay accountable. He is terrible donít get me wrong. But Bruce and Dick fucking up the quarterback situation is just as much to blame. Even if you hated Cousins and refuse to admit that they had ample opportunity to lock him up.

DYoungJelly 10-09-2018 01:01 PM

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1202410]Iím done with Jay Gruden. He has no more excuses[/QUOTE] Agree.

I've been a Jay fan, but he has the talent to be competitive and is a .500 coach.

Fire him.

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DYoungJelly 10-09-2018 01:02 PM

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1202412]Yeah I have to admit I had the same thought, re: the bolded. I don't think there's anything wrong with Smith's arm, but Sunday I watched Cousins deliver strikes while falling backwards under duress from Fletcher Cox as he anticipated receivers running to the open area. And last night I watched Smith hesitate and double clutch until the receiver ran open, and by then it was too late to throw.

In the post-game press conference Gruden is up there saying we need to make sure we get our quarterback into plays he's comfortable with. For me, that translates directly to: we're finding out that our QB isn't comfortable with as much as our old one was.

Not a good sign at all. Bruce Allen should be canned now so a new GM can get in and get organized ahead of the draft.[/QUOTE]This post is really long.

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Ruhskins 10-09-2018 01:11 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=punch it in;1202476]Did Kirk bang your girlfriend before he left? You hate him with a passion. Lol
The season will be over for this team soon and we will all be pulling for a team to win. Mine is the Vikings and Captain Kirk. Whats wrong with that?
I think it is funny how you hold only Jay accountable. He is terrible donít get me wrong. But Bruce and Dick fucking up the quarterback situation is just as much to blame. Even if you hated Cousins and refuse to admit that they had ample opportunity to lock him up.[/quote]

I'm not going to get into this, you have this fantasy illusion that he wanted to stay here. I just don't get it, but whatever, keep fantasizing.

Hell, even if Kirk wanted to be here, there is no way he could have been successful with Jay as a coach. To me he is the main problem, you could have had Tom Brady under center last night, but with the shitty coaching and terrible way the o-line play, he would have played poorly as well (see NE's game against Jacksonville this season).

Schneed10 10-09-2018 01:26 PM

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1202478]This post is really long.

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:confused?:

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 01:30 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=punch it in;1202471]Kirk wanted to be here for years and we didnít extend him. You know why? Because this fucking franchise under Dick Snyder is allergic to any sort of success. At the end I donít blame him for leaving. Dick and Bruce had ample time to lock him up. Just terrible mismanagement. Remember after we beat the Cardinals it was Kirk who? Lmao. That didnít last very long did it? Ill be rooting for him and the Vikings for the rest of the year since my team has shown me once again that they arenít ready to compete with the big boys. Or even the medium to small size boys. Whatever the fuck that means. Fuckin fucks.[/quote]

Punch stop it man, we all know he wanted out.. Players inside the locker room (CT) and former players (cooley) all said he had no signs of wanting to stay. If you watch his doc on NFLN its clear he wanted that big payday more than staying with us. I am a big Cousins fan , I truly believe he was as good a QB as we have ever had, yes I mean ever had but that is not on Jay or Bruce. We went out and got a good QB not great to replace him

TheMalcolmConnection 10-09-2018 01:35 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1202481]Punch stop it man, we all know he wanted out.. Players inside the locker room (CT) and former players (cooley) all said he had no signs of wanting to stay. If you watch his doc on NFLN [B]its clear he wanted that big payday more than staying with us[/B]. I am a big Cousins fan , I truly believe he was as good a QB as we have ever had, yes I mean ever had but that is not on Jay or Bruce. We went out and got a good QB not great to replace him[/quote]

This is all I ever got from him. I used to wish him success, but it's clear we all fell for his "aw shucks, golly guys" routine. Maybe he is a super nice guy, but in the end, it wasn't the Skins fault for what he ended up doing to them. The Skins are maybe 25% to blame for not locking him up sooner, but beyond that, it's ALL on him.

When someone invokes God in the name of contracts, that's a problem...

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 01:37 PM

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I guess how you feel about Kirk wanting to be here or not dictates how you feel about him. I think he was a whiny little phony that did not want to be here. He played us perfectly. Good for him. But I'll be rooting against him the rest of his career. Bye Felicia. Alex might not be as good but at least I can respect our QB now and maybe actually beat Dallas.

Gruden is a likable guy but an unlikable coach. One is more important. Time to move on.

MTK 10-09-2018 01:50 PM

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People really need to get over this Cousins thing already.

Schneed10 10-09-2018 01:53 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=MTK;1202484]People really need to get over this Cousins thing already.[/quote]

You and I both know that will never happen until the Redskins win consistently. Until then, it will all be about what could have been.

FrenchSkin 10-09-2018 02:06 PM

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That was sickening. I'm one to always look [SIZE="1"](reach)[/SIZE] for positives. It'll be hard on that one. I'll still watch the tape, to understand. But this was just BAD.

This led me to vote Coaches as the biggest reason of the debacle. When it's that awful across the board, it's on the HC.

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 02:21 PM

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After being put back in our place and embarrassed again, there really is nothing positive to talk about. We're still a mediocre 2nd tier team.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 02:21 PM

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1202486]That was sickening. I'm one to always look [SIZE="1"](reach)[/SIZE] for positives. It'll be hard on that one. I'll still watch the tape, to understand. But this was just BAD.

This led me to vote Coaches as the biggest reason of the debacle. When it's that awful across the board, it's on the HC.[/quote]

just watched the defensive tape, bad bad bad. Scheme was horrible, Busted coverage all night long.. No pass rush, Payne and Allen are still balling every week tho. I will get feedback on the Offensive side (I only had the D to do).

Brees had it easy last night

MTK 10-09-2018 02:23 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=Schneed10;1202485]You and I both know that will never happen until the Redskins win consistently. Until then, it will all be about what could have been.[/quote]

All this fuss over a QB who went 26-30-1 here.

As usual after a loss too much focus on the QB in general.

Granted Smith did not play well at all, but the breakdowns on D and with the OL were more of a concern to me.

sdskinsfan2001 10-09-2018 02:30 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=MTK;1202489]All this fuss over a QB who went 26-30-1 here.

As usual after a loss too much focus on the QB in general.

Granted Smith did not play well at all, but the breakdowns on D and with the OL were more of a concern to me.[/quote]

My favorite play was when the game was still close and we had the ball around their 10. It was 3rd down and Brandon Scherff let his guy run right in and crush Smith while he stood there in the open field with no one around him doing nothing. Whether it was a miscommunication or not, and I love Scherff, that play just summed up the whole game perfectly.

MTK 10-09-2018 02:30 PM

Re: Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1202488]just watched the defensive tape, bad bad bad. Scheme was horrible, Busted coverage all night long.. No pass rush, Payne and Allen are still balling every week tho. I will get feedback on the Offensive side (I only had the D to do).

Brees had it easy last night[/quote]

It was like playing Madden on rookie mode. You don't often see guys running that wide open in the NFL. Pathetic performance by the secondary.

skinsfaninok 10-09-2018 02:39 PM

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[quote=MTK;1202491]It was like playing Madden on rookie mode. You don't often see guys running that wide open in the NFL. Pathetic performance by the secondary.[/quote]

I don't know how to even explain it. 2 weeks off lolol


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