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skinsfaninok 12-24-2019 09:56 AM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
I'm not sold on him being a legit QB1 yet but he's gotten much better, he's still inaccurate on some throws but I'm hoping the O/S fixes that.

OmahaRedskins 12-24-2019 10:13 AM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
What is Matt Cavanaugh doing? Nobody ever mentions him.

Ohioskins 12-24-2019 01:28 PM

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From watching here in Columbus last year his play with the Buckeyes, it was very evident that he possessed extraordinary raw talent that he just needed time to develop.

httr198020 12-25-2019 01:32 PM

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I've been very critical of Haskins. But I have to say I feel very optimistic about his future. He has improved every single week across the board and I believe hes going to continue to get better.

VTSkins1961 12-25-2019 06:18 PM

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I'm still on the fence. I don't think he will be a bust but I'm not sure if he will ever be elite...

skinsfaninok 12-26-2019 08:27 AM

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1240593]I'm still on the fence. I don't think he will be a bust but I'm not sure if he will ever be elite...[/quote]

that's where I'm at, like he could be a Winston or Tannehill type.. Flashes some great games but also some bad ones

Schneed10 12-26-2019 09:07 AM

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Fox flashed a graphic during the Giants game that said a lot. In his first few games his average time from snap to release was 3.0 seconds. In his first few starts it was 2.9. And in the last three it was 2.6 seconds. We canít know who on the coaching staff helped him get there, Iíd say it was everybody. Callahan set a tone on the whole team for more work ethic. OíConnell and Cavanaugh surely played a role. Haskins got better with adjusting protections. And then the external factors helped, the rookie WRs definitely all took steps forward and it didnít hurt that the Lions Eagles and Giants all have terrible defenses.

But the important thing is you could see definite progression in the mental aspects. He adjusted protection well during pre snap reads. And he moved through the progressions well - I think in some cases his first read was just open more often because the Eagles and Giants canít cover - but in other cases his eyes moved from first read to second read to check down pretty quickly. The sack numbers came down big time and his time from snap to release quickened.

It says he can make progress. His QBR the last few games was 58 out of 100. I think we have to find out what we have in him. I donít think weíll have to make a choice on Burrows, heíll be gone, but either way thereís enough progress with Haskins to think we have some hope.

Letís put some players around him, and some genuine defensive support through a better defensive scheme, and see where we can go.

CRedskinsRule 12-26-2019 10:54 AM

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1240611]Fox flashed a graphic during the Giants game that said a lot. In his first few games his average time from snap to release was 3.0 seconds. In his first few starts it was 2.9. And in the last three it was 2.6 seconds. We canít know who on the coaching staff helped him get there, Iíd say it was everybody. Callahan set a tone on the whole team for more work ethic. OíConnell and Cavanaugh surely played a role. Haskins got better with adjusting protections. And then the external factors helped, the rookie WRs definitely all took steps forward and it didnít hurt that the Lions Eagles and Giants all have terrible defenses.



But the important thing is you could see definite progression in the mental aspects. He adjusted protection well during pre snap reads. And he moved through the progressions well - I think in some cases his first read was just open more often because the Eagles and Giants canít cover - but in other cases his eyes moved from first read to second read to check down pretty quickly. The sack numbers came down big time and his time from snap to release quickened.



It says he can make progress. His QBR the last few games was 58 out of 100. I think we have to find out what we have in him. I donít think weíll have to make a choice on Burrows, heíll be gone, but either way thereís enough progress with Haskins to think we have some hope.



Letís put some players around him, and some genuine defensive support through a better defensive scheme, and see where we can go.[/QUOTE]They were clearly building the scheme on the fly after Gruden left. I agree that we saw clear growth once he was named the starter for the season and the coaching staff put their efforts into his training. I am excited to see what he can do with a full offseason where the coach and scheme is designed for his strengths and our young receiving corp.





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MTK 12-26-2019 11:56 AM

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I think his floor was raised with the progress we saw the last few weeks. At this point we're all left to guess what his ceiling is but just to be optimistic I'll say he's going to be a stud.

OmahaRedskins 12-26-2019 06:50 PM

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[quote=MTK;1240614]I think his floor was raised with the progress we saw the last few weeks. At this point we're all left to guess what his ceiling is but just to be optimistic I'll say he's going to be a stud.[/quote]

I would be ok with him being in the same range as KC. I hope for better, but you can win with that.

Schneed10 12-26-2019 08:04 PM

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1240629]I would be ok with him being in the same range as KC. I hope for better, but you can win with that.[/quote]

Agree I think he could end up looking a lot like Cousins, but with the potential to not be a total spaz in big games. Haskins seems like a pretty cool customer, Cousins seems like he will forever doubt himself just enough to get in his own way.

KI Skins Fan 12-27-2019 09:47 AM

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You may consider me to be a cheerleader on the Haskins Bandwagon. I believe he has the talent and personal qualities to be an outstanding NFL QB.

His rapid development - while playing on a sprained ankle - was very impressive and I think we'll all be thrilled with the further improvements he makes to his game over the offseason.

jamf 12-27-2019 09:53 AM

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We haven't even seen what this kid can do with a real training camp and preseason.

Get this kid a TE or two and a starting caliber WR opposite McL so we can see what he can do.

MTK 12-27-2019 10:15 AM

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[quote=Schneed10;1240630]Agree I think he could end up looking a lot like Cousins, but with the potential to not be a total spaz in big games. Haskins seems like a pretty cool customer, Cousins seems like he will forever doubt himself just enough to get in his own way.[/quote]

You can already see that Haskins has a natural feel in the pocket that Cousins will never have. His ability to create plays when the pocket breaks down has been a nice surprise. Cousins is very much a rhythm QB, when the play breaks down he's not at his best going off script.

SunnySide 12-27-2019 11:49 AM

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As Shneed said, last 2 games we went up against poor secondaries and his first read was open. Thats not a bad thing, its a good thing that he can take what is given but I do want to see how he responds when the NFL has film on him and is taking a week to prepare for him. What doe she do when read 1 is covered? What does he do when D shows read 1 will be open but then like a DE drops back into zone unexpectedly right into the area he wanted to put the ball?

I was happy to see he was able to take a 3 step drop and get the ball out on time and accurate. That first half against the Giants, he was releasing the ball before the WR broke and that is a big indicator to me. He doesnt need to see the guy win at the top of his route stem before throwing it, he can trust his read and WR to win the battle and be at the spot he should be at.

I cant say whether he will be a star, a starter or a dud until after at least 16 games or so. I need to see how he plays when things arent easy for him. I need to see if he can adjust to the leagues adjustment to him bc right now, the league hasnt adjusted to him. They havent game planned for him. But they will next year.

Decent game against the Eagles and a good half against the Giants doesnt tell me a lot honestly.


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