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Warthog 01-29-2020 07:43 PM

The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
Game 5 in the NFL Haskins had a 121 QB rating (max 154).

Game 6 in the NFL Haskins went higher and had a 141 QB rating.

This was with a make shift OL, no real TE to speak of, 3 rookie WR ( two of whom are very good to outstanding - McLaurin at WR#1 and Steve Sims at slot WR), and finally the outmoded offensive philosophy of Callahan, who pushed it on KOC.

Next year Haskins will have these new assets:

1.Very good to elite TE from FA
2.Improved OL, resign Flowers, resign Sherff and/or Trent Williams, new OL from draft, UDFA and FA. Moses probably gone.
3. Maybe new WR from draft (third or fourth round) or FA. Compete with Harmon for WR#2 spot
4. Better play calling from Scott Turner. More passing on first and second down and more imagination in play calling. Double the number of long pass attempts per game.
5. Hell be better because hell get a lot MORE reps in practice, from the get go, and obviously more reps with the first squad.

Haskins will still be up and down, and hell make some mistakes, but for all the reasons above hes going to be much better.



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GridIron26 01-30-2020 08:37 AM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=Warthog;1243832]Game 5 in the NFL Haskins had a 121 QB rating (max 154).

Game 6 in the NFL Haskins went higher and had a 141 QB rating.

This was with a make shift OL, no real TE to speak of, 3 rookie WR ( two of whom are very good to outstanding - McLaurin at WR#1 and Steve Sims at slot WR), and finally the outmoded offensive philosophy of Callahan, who pushed it on KOC.

Next year Haskins will have these new assets:

1.Very good to elite TE from FA
2.Improved OL, resign Flowers, resign Sherff and/or Trent Williams, new OL from draft, UDFA and FA. Moses probably gone.
3. Maybe new WR from draft (third or fourth round) or FA. Compete with Harmon for WR#2 spot
4. Better play calling from Scott Turner. More passing on first and second down and more imagination in play calling. Double the number of long pass attempts per game.
5. Hell be better because hell get a lot MORE reps in practice, from the get go, and obviously more reps with the first squad.

Haskins will still be up and down, and hell make some mistakes, but for all the reasons above hes going to be much better. [/quote]

All free agent TEs are good, not very good nor elite. In my opinion, only Kittle, Kelce and Ertz are in the elite category. I agree with all other points, although Turner is unknown at this point so I'm in wait and see mode with Turner. From what I have read about Turner, it seems like he did well with Newton so I'm excited to see what Turner will bring to the table.

Warthog 02-09-2020 03:09 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[QUOTE=GridIron26;1243849]All free agent TEs are good, not very good nor elite. In my opinion, only Kittle, Kelce and Ertz are in the elite category. I agree with all other points, although Turner is unknown at this point so I'm in wait and see mode with Turner. From what I have read about Turner, it seems like he did well with Newton so I'm excited to see what Turner will bring to the table.[/QUOTE]



What do you thing about Hooper? Many consider him to be the BEST TE FA. He will be expensive. Id put Henry in the elite category but be my be franchised. Ertz is definitely a step down from those two.


Also, I think the Redskins may bring in Greg Olsen on a one-year contract. Hes good and will be a mentor.


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GridIron26 02-10-2020 08:43 AM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=Warthog;1244389]What do you thing about Hooper? Many consider him to be the BEST TE FA. He will be expensive. Id put Henry in the elite category but be my be franchised. Ertz is definitely a step down from those two.


Also, I think the Redskins may bring in Greg Olsen on a one-year contract. Hes good and will be a mentor.


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Did you meant to ask me what I think of Hooper? If so, I think he is a little above average player (in other words, good in general) but he is not one of the best TEs. I once mentioned in different thread that I didn't watch a lot of Falcons games last year so I might not be best person to judge Hooper's skills but I do follow all players throughout years (for fun and fantasy football purposes). It took Hooper a while to get to the point where he is today although, it seems like Hooper worked hard to reach to that point so I will give him some credits for it. I wouldn't be upset if Redskins sign Hooper, after all, we need two new TEs in worst way now that Turner have confirmed that TE is really important piece in his offense.

Let's imagine NFL is a league where all teams have to drop their players in every offseason and all players are free to sign with whoever they want to play for. Where do you think Hooper would rank at? I personally think Hooper would rank in top 10 but I'm not sure about the top 5. Hooper is best TE out of all FA TEs, if we assume Henry will be resigned or franchise tagged.

I'm not oppose to the idea of signing Olsen, as long as we don't plan to rely him to be #1 TE for Redskins.

GridIron26 02-19-2020 02:02 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
Just saw this video of Haskins and how he spent his first $1 million. I remember some of you guys talked about how Haskins was being reckless with spending the money but I think this video shows he seems to balance it well. I personally wouldn't spend that much on a car, jewelry and art stuff but then looking back to the days where I was 20 and 21 years old, I probably would spend on some stuff that I would have regretted buying today.

It's crazy to see how much he had to pay for taxes!

[url]https://youtu.be/maCm8b_Ivec[/url]

Warthog 02-20-2020 02:22 PM

The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[QUOTE=GridIron26;1244402]Did you meant to ask me what I think of Hooper? If so, I think he is a little above average player (in other words, good in general) but he is not one of the best TEs. I once mentioned in different thread that I didn't watch a lot of Falcons games last year so I might not be best person to judge Hooper's skills but I do follow all players throughout years (for fun and fantasy football purposes). It took Hooper a while to get to the point where he is today although, it seems like Hooper worked hard to reach to that point so I will give him some credits for it. I wouldn't be upset if Redskins sign Hooper, after all, we need two new TEs in worst way now that Turner have confirmed that TE is really important piece in his offense.



Let's imagine NFL is a league where all teams have to drop their players in every offseason and all players are free to sign with whoever they want to play for. Where do you think Hooper would rank at? I personally think Hooper would rank in top 10 but I'm not sure about the top 5. Hooper is best TE out of all FA TEs, if we assume Henry will be resigned or franchise tagged.



I'm not oppose to the idea of signing Olsen, as long as we don't plan to rely him to be #1 TE for Redskins.[/QUOTE]



Id say Hooper is very good,with players such as Ertz with the Eagles as being in the elite TE category. But hes the best there is in the TE FA category this season. I believe he will be one of our first FA pickups. Although he isnt in category of the top, best TEs in the NFL, he will make a huge, positive difference to the Redskins.

Last year our best TEs never played and we had little real production from the scrubs that were left. Having Hooper in there and maybe with the addition of a rookie TE, it will help out Haskins a great deal in the red zone. Hooper will be worth the money for him and will help our offense as a receiver and a blocker.


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skinsfaninok 02-20-2020 02:38 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
In his career, Hooper has 13 drops... 282 Targets. That's like 1 drop per 22 targets.. He's pretty dang good

Ruhskins 02-20-2020 02:53 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=Warthog;1245011]Id say Hooper is very good,with players such as Ertz with the Eagles as being in the elite TE category. But hes the best there is in the TE FA category this season. I believe he will be one of our first FA pickups. Although he isnt in category of the top, best TEs in the NFL, he will make a huge, positive difference to the Redskins.

Last year our best TEs never played and we had little real production from the scrubs that were left. Having Hooper in there and maybe with the addition of a rookie TE, it will help out Haskins a great deal in the red zone. Hooper will be worth the money for him and will help our offense as a receiver and a blocker.


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You should listen to the latest episode of the John Keim Report podcast. Keim talks to Logan Paulsen, who gives some pretty insightful information on Hooper (Paulsen played with Hooper in Atlanta).

I'm pretty sold on Hooper after listening to Paulsen (who should probably get a front office/scouting job).

Chico23231 02-20-2020 03:15 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
Cooley said today on Sheehan pod...there are solid TEs to be found this draft. And you can find a young guy to start and that with TE the learning isn't as steep as other positions.

One thing I know, we need a couple...Free Agency and Draft should be in the plans

SunnySide 02-20-2020 04:10 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=Chico23231;1245017]Cooley said today on Sheehan pod...there are solid TEs to be found this draft. And you can find a young guy to start and that with TE the learning isn't as steep as other positions.

One thing I know, we need a couple...Free Agency and Draft should be in the plans[/quote]

Yes, thats where Im at. it seems like you can find versatile 3 down TEs in the draft rounds 2-5 or even UDFA. Wasnt Hooper an UDFA?

I would love Hooper for 10M per but I think he will command more than that and Im not committing a penny more than 10M per for a TE. Id rather find my own Hooper (3R) or Kittles (5R) or Ertz (2R) or Kelce (3R).

I wouldnt over pay for TEs, Gs, C, HB .. those positions can be filled by means other than expensive FA signings.


edit -- dang it sorry guys, shouldnt be talking general TE FA stuff in this thread.

GridIron26 02-20-2020 04:40 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=Warthog;1245011]Id say Hooper is very good,with players such as Ertz with the Eagles as being in the elite TE category. But hes the best there is in the TE FA category this season. I believe he will be one of our first FA pickups. Although he isnt in category of the top, best TEs in the NFL, he will make a huge, positive difference to the Redskins.

Last year our best TEs never played and we had little real production from the scrubs that were left. [B]Having Hooper in there and maybe with the addition of a rookie TE, it will help out Haskins a great deal in the red zone.[/B] Hooper will be worth the money for him and will help our offense as a receiver and a blocker.


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I agree, Haskins will benefit greatly if we sign Hooper. I just don't want Redskins to sign Hooper to a massive contract, just to outbid other teams.

I'm with Chico, I think Redskins need to sign a FA TE (Hooper or someone else) and draft a TE.



[quote=skinsfaninok;1245013]In his career, Hooper has 13 drops... 282 Targets. That's like 1 drop per 22 targets.. He's pretty dang good[/quote]

That certainly makes Hooper look better.

Warthog 02-20-2020 06:04 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
[quote=SunnySide;1245031]Yes, thats where Im at. it seems like you can find versatile 3 down TEs in the draft rounds 2-5 or even UDFA. [B]Wasnt Hooper an UDFA? [/B]

I would love Hooper for 10M per but I think he will command more than that and Im not committing a penny more than 10M per for a TE. Id rather find my own Hooper (3R) or Kittles (5R) or Ertz (2R) or Kelce (3R).

I wouldnt over pay for TEs, Gs, C, HB .. those positions can be filled by means other than expensive FA signings.


edit -- dang it sorry guys, shouldnt be talking general TE FA stuff in this thread.[/quote]

Hooper was drafted in the third round by the Falcons. But who cares where he was drafted, its how he's playing NOW that matters. I think he will go for $10 mill/yr which is less than the money we spent last year for Reed and Davis ($8.5 and $2.4 mill). Hooper may not be in the top 3 TE in the NFL, but he's pretty good and certainly the best TE FA the team can get this season. Right now we have NOTHING at TE, I'm not even sure the guys there now could be TE backups!

Sometimes you have to pay the pipper and that is probably the case with Hooper. Bringing him on and drafting a couple TE's in the draft and UDFA may get us through this season as far as this position goes. We are paying for Bruce Allen putting all our eggs into the Reed/Davis basket for a couple of years in a row. We definitely need at least one good TE to help Haskins this season and I hope we can get Hooper for that spot - plus getting a young player using Kyle Smith's magic drafting power.

GridIron26 02-25-2020 03:42 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
Not exactly the big news, nonetheless it is still a good one especially for those fans who still have doubts about Haskins. Haskins will work with WRs in Fla during the offseason. Also, Kyle Smith is excited about Haskins.

[URL="https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/25/redskins-wr-qb-to-florida-for-workouts/"]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/25/redskins-wr-qb-to-florida-for-workouts/[/URL]

TheMalcolmConnection 02-26-2020 03:55 PM

Re: The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
It's one of those things I love to hear, but hopefully it's not a "let's throw around in shorts for thirty minutes, then hit South Beach" kind of things.

mooby 02-26-2020 04:29 PM

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Gotta say, I am pleasantly surprised to find nobody in here overreacting about the Skins interviewing Burrow and Tua.


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