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MTK 12-23-2019 03:20 PM

The Haskins Threat 2.0
 
Now that he's been ruled out for week 17 with the ankle sprain, let's get into reviewing his rookie year and what you think the future holds.

His overall numbers don't jump off the page, 58.6% completion rate, 1365 yards, 7 TDs, 7 INTs, BUT when you look at his numbers in his last 2 starts that's when you see some serious pop. 72% completion rate, 394 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs.

I really wish we could have seen him play the entire game against the Giants. He was heading towards a monster day.

Giantone 12-23-2019 03:25 PM

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[quote=MTK;1240490]Now that he's been ruled out for week 17 with the ankle sprain, let's get into reviewing his rookie year and what you think the future holds.

His overall numbers don't jump off the page, 58.6% completion rate, 1365 yards, 7 TDs, 7 INTs, BUT when you look at his numbers in his last 2 starts that's when you see some serious pop. 72% completion rate, 394 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs.

I really wish we could have seen him play the entire game against the Giants. He was heading towards a monster day.[/quote]

I thought he was looking good both teams I think have found their next franchise QB's.

Skinsfanatic 12-23-2019 03:33 PM

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He clearly did enough to make him the starter going into next year and to eliminate any thoughts some people might have had about taking Burrow if we are at 2 and Young goes at 1.

Ohioskins 12-23-2019 04:08 PM

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Only the Cincinnati Bungles could walk past Burrows. But there is the rub. It is the Bungles with the No. 1 pick.

sdskinsfan2001 12-23-2019 04:11 PM

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He looked like a real threat out there.

skinsfan69 12-23-2019 06:04 PM

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I'm still on the fence but he at least showed some promise the last few weeks. However that should not stop the Redskins from drafting a QB in the mid rounds. Also I thought Case came in and did a real nice job. I'm bringing him back and drafting someone in the mid rounds. It's DH's job going into the off season but there should always be competition going on.

Chico23231 12-23-2019 06:06 PM

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Remember when the Skins were criticized for playing Haskins? Fucking morons

MTK 12-23-2019 06:26 PM

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1240501]Remember when the Skins were criticized for playing Haskins? Fucking morons[/QUOTE]


Or all the ex players like Hall, Moss, and Portis that thought he needed to sit all year?


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Chico23231 12-23-2019 06:36 PM

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[quote=MTK;1240502]Or all the ex players like Hall, Moss, and Portis that thought he needed to sit all year?


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Pure incompetence

Meks 12-24-2019 01:47 AM

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Looking forward to his progression in the off-season and getting a new coach and offense.

Buffalo Bob 12-24-2019 07:24 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1240501]Remember when the Skins were criticized for playing Haskins? Fucking morons[/quote]

You have to admit the patch work O-line has protected him better than expected. A lot of us feared for his health.

EdmundDorf 12-24-2019 07:52 AM

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1240529]You have to admit the patch work O-line has protected him better than expected. A lot of us feared for his health.[/quote]

Wonder how much of this is down to him getting better at identifying and setting protections

mredskins 12-24-2019 08:47 AM

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1240529]You have to admit the patch work O-line has protected him better than expected. A lot of us feared for his health.[/quote]

Well he did get hurt.

mooby 12-24-2019 09:20 AM

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[quote=MTK;1240502]Or all the ex players like Hall, Moss, and Portis that thought he needed to sit all year?


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I don't think sitting him would've hurt. But I'm happy with how it turned out so far.

The talk about Haskins after his first two pieces of game action was laughable though. Idk that I've ever seen fans give up on a football player quicker. He legit had half the crowd here talking about who made the decision to draft a guy who wasn't ready in the first round.

SFREDSKIN 12-24-2019 09:34 AM

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3 people deserve credit for Haskins improvement:

Haskins for changing his attitude and wanting to improve and be a pro

Alex Smith for teaching Haskins what it takes to be a successful NFL QB

Kevin OíConnell for teaching, coaching and making him successful with what heís comfortable and challenging him.

skinsfaninok 12-24-2019 09:56 AM

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I'm not sold on him being a legit QB1 yet but he's gotten much better, he's still inaccurate on some throws but I'm hoping the O/S fixes that.

OmahaRedskins 12-24-2019 10:13 AM

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What is Matt Cavanaugh doing? Nobody ever mentions him.

Ohioskins 12-24-2019 01:28 PM

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From watching here in Columbus last year his play with the Buckeyes, it was very evident that he possessed extraordinary raw talent that he just needed time to develop.

httr198020 12-25-2019 01:32 PM

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I've been very critical of Haskins. But I have to say I feel very optimistic about his future. He has improved every single week across the board and I believe hes going to continue to get better.

VTSkins1961 12-25-2019 06:18 PM

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I'm still on the fence. I don't think he will be a bust but I'm not sure if he will ever be elite...

skinsfaninok 12-26-2019 08:27 AM

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1240593]I'm still on the fence. I don't think he will be a bust but I'm not sure if he will ever be elite...[/quote]

that's where I'm at, like he could be a Winston or Tannehill type.. Flashes some great games but also some bad ones

Schneed10 12-26-2019 09:07 AM

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Fox flashed a graphic during the Giants game that said a lot. In his first few games his average time from snap to release was 3.0 seconds. In his first few starts it was 2.9. And in the last three it was 2.6 seconds. We canít know who on the coaching staff helped him get there, Iíd say it was everybody. Callahan set a tone on the whole team for more work ethic. OíConnell and Cavanaugh surely played a role. Haskins got better with adjusting protections. And then the external factors helped, the rookie WRs definitely all took steps forward and it didnít hurt that the Lions Eagles and Giants all have terrible defenses.

But the important thing is you could see definite progression in the mental aspects. He adjusted protection well during pre snap reads. And he moved through the progressions well - I think in some cases his first read was just open more often because the Eagles and Giants canít cover - but in other cases his eyes moved from first read to second read to check down pretty quickly. The sack numbers came down big time and his time from snap to release quickened.

It says he can make progress. His QBR the last few games was 58 out of 100. I think we have to find out what we have in him. I donít think weíll have to make a choice on Burrows, heíll be gone, but either way thereís enough progress with Haskins to think we have some hope.

Letís put some players around him, and some genuine defensive support through a better defensive scheme, and see where we can go.

CRedskinsRule 12-26-2019 10:54 AM

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1240611]Fox flashed a graphic during the Giants game that said a lot. In his first few games his average time from snap to release was 3.0 seconds. In his first few starts it was 2.9. And in the last three it was 2.6 seconds. We canít know who on the coaching staff helped him get there, Iíd say it was everybody. Callahan set a tone on the whole team for more work ethic. OíConnell and Cavanaugh surely played a role. Haskins got better with adjusting protections. And then the external factors helped, the rookie WRs definitely all took steps forward and it didnít hurt that the Lions Eagles and Giants all have terrible defenses.



But the important thing is you could see definite progression in the mental aspects. He adjusted protection well during pre snap reads. And he moved through the progressions well - I think in some cases his first read was just open more often because the Eagles and Giants canít cover - but in other cases his eyes moved from first read to second read to check down pretty quickly. The sack numbers came down big time and his time from snap to release quickened.



It says he can make progress. His QBR the last few games was 58 out of 100. I think we have to find out what we have in him. I donít think weíll have to make a choice on Burrows, heíll be gone, but either way thereís enough progress with Haskins to think we have some hope.



Letís put some players around him, and some genuine defensive support through a better defensive scheme, and see where we can go.[/QUOTE]They were clearly building the scheme on the fly after Gruden left. I agree that we saw clear growth once he was named the starter for the season and the coaching staff put their efforts into his training. I am excited to see what he can do with a full offseason where the coach and scheme is designed for his strengths and our young receiving corp.





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MTK 12-26-2019 11:56 AM

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I think his floor was raised with the progress we saw the last few weeks. At this point we're all left to guess what his ceiling is but just to be optimistic I'll say he's going to be a stud.

OmahaRedskins 12-26-2019 06:50 PM

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[quote=MTK;1240614]I think his floor was raised with the progress we saw the last few weeks. At this point we're all left to guess what his ceiling is but just to be optimistic I'll say he's going to be a stud.[/quote]

I would be ok with him being in the same range as KC. I hope for better, but you can win with that.

Schneed10 12-26-2019 08:04 PM

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1240629]I would be ok with him being in the same range as KC. I hope for better, but you can win with that.[/quote]

Agree I think he could end up looking a lot like Cousins, but with the potential to not be a total spaz in big games. Haskins seems like a pretty cool customer, Cousins seems like he will forever doubt himself just enough to get in his own way.

KI Skins Fan 12-27-2019 09:47 AM

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You may consider me to be a cheerleader on the Haskins Bandwagon. I believe he has the talent and personal qualities to be an outstanding NFL QB.

His rapid development - while playing on a sprained ankle - was very impressive and I think we'll all be thrilled with the further improvements he makes to his game over the offseason.

jamf 12-27-2019 09:53 AM

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We haven't even seen what this kid can do with a real training camp and preseason.

Get this kid a TE or two and a starting caliber WR opposite McL so we can see what he can do.

MTK 12-27-2019 10:15 AM

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[quote=Schneed10;1240630]Agree I think he could end up looking a lot like Cousins, but with the potential to not be a total spaz in big games. Haskins seems like a pretty cool customer, Cousins seems like he will forever doubt himself just enough to get in his own way.[/quote]

You can already see that Haskins has a natural feel in the pocket that Cousins will never have. His ability to create plays when the pocket breaks down has been a nice surprise. Cousins is very much a rhythm QB, when the play breaks down he's not at his best going off script.

SunnySide 12-27-2019 11:49 AM

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As Shneed said, last 2 games we went up against poor secondaries and his first read was open. Thats not a bad thing, its a good thing that he can take what is given but I do want to see how he responds when the NFL has film on him and is taking a week to prepare for him. What doe she do when read 1 is covered? What does he do when D shows read 1 will be open but then like a DE drops back into zone unexpectedly right into the area he wanted to put the ball?

I was happy to see he was able to take a 3 step drop and get the ball out on time and accurate. That first half against the Giants, he was releasing the ball before the WR broke and that is a big indicator to me. He doesnt need to see the guy win at the top of his route stem before throwing it, he can trust his read and WR to win the battle and be at the spot he should be at.

I cant say whether he will be a star, a starter or a dud until after at least 16 games or so. I need to see how he plays when things arent easy for him. I need to see if he can adjust to the leagues adjustment to him bc right now, the league hasnt adjusted to him. They havent game planned for him. But they will next year.

Decent game against the Eagles and a good half against the Giants doesnt tell me a lot honestly.

mooby 12-27-2019 11:51 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1240655]As Shneed said, last 2 games we went up against poor secondaries and his first read was open. Thats not a bad thing, its a good thing that he can take what is given but I do want to see how he responds when the NFL has film on him and is taking a week to prepare for him. What doe she do when read 1 is covered? What does he do when D shows read 1 will be open but then like a DE drops back into zone unexpectedly right into the area he wanted to put the ball?

I was happy to see he was able to take a 3 step drop and get the ball out on time and accurate. That first half against the Giants, he was releasing the ball before the WR broke and that is a big indicator to me. He doesnt need to see the guy win at the top of his route stem before throwing it, he can trust his read and WR to win the battle and be at the spot he should be at.

I cant say whether he will be a star, a starter or a dud until after at least 16 games or so. I need to see how he plays when things arent easy for him. I need to see if he can adjust to the leagues adjustment to him bc right now, the league hasnt adjusted to him. They havent game planned for him. But they will next year.

[B]Decent game against the Eagles and a good half against the Giants doesnt tell me a lot honestly.[/B][/quote]

The problem is that is all you have to grade him on for next year. Either you make the decision he is your starting quarterback going forward or he isn't.

I've seen enough improvement from his last two starts compared to his first two starts to say yes, I am comfortable building around him for the next 3-5 years.

SunnySide 12-27-2019 12:20 PM

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[quote=mooby;1240656]The problem is that is all you have to grade him on for next year. Either you make the decision he is your starting quarterback going forward or he isn't.

I've seen enough improvement from his last two starts compared to his first two starts to say yes, I am comfortable building around him for the next 3-5 years.[/quote]

He was drafted 15th overall, that automatically gets him 3 years.

You dont have to make a decision at the end of year 1 (now) to decide whether to build around a QB taken in the 1st R because you already answered Yes when you took him 15th overall.

IMO we wont be at a decision point with Haskins for 2 more years.

Fans declaring hes a bust and we must pull a Josh Rosen after 2 emergency games are just as knee jerk as fans being convinced hes a legit franchise QB after 1.5 decent to good games against the Eagles and Giants. Eagles he forced some dangerous throws into tight coverage that could have easily been deflected up in the air vs caught and he seemed to benefit from every 50/50 ball. Giants game .. that was like playing our secondary, pretty easy but he made some very nice reads and throws.

Whether you like Haskins or hate him, hes our starting QB for the next 2 seasons. There is no decision to be made about him right now imo. 2 years from now, we will have to decide to resign him or move on.

I like Haskins. I was very encouraged about that 1st half vs the giants but I must temper that it was against the Giants and theres not a book out on him yet.

I am real curious to see how he does in year 2, when the league has film and game plans for him and he hopefully has a full season of playing time.

if you love him or hate him, youre going to see him for the next 2 seasons under center, regardless of how great or poor he plays.

SunnySide 01-09-2020 01:00 PM

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Hereís a recent take from Kevin OíConnell on the improvements in these aspects of Haskinsí development as an NFL quarterback:

I donít have to give him the play three or four times in his headset before heís got it. I can now say it once and thereís still seven or eight seconds left on the play clock before the headset cuts out and I can say, ĎHey, remember two-deep or pressure here, weíre throwing this.í I can give him coaching points, which allows him to click right into the play and he starts to be like, ĎIf I can know the play call, thatís the easy part. Now I can understand breaking the huddle,í Ė weíve been out of the huddle in some cases on third down before 20 seconds on the play clock, which is really, really good for us.

The other thing that heís done a really good job with is his cadence. At Ohio State, I donít know if he was using a lot of double counts and hard counts and dummy counts and things, trying to get the defense to unlock their disguise. I donít know if he was doing things at the line of scrimmage with motions and shifts to try to give him information that allows him to know exactly where to set his feet and eyes and be aggressive.

Heís really starting to understand how that plays into the pre-snap success we talk a lot about leading into the post-snap success. It might be really small things that people watching the game might not notice, but every single time he does it I get really, really fired up about it because I know where thatís building for him and whatís to come for him.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/12/26/21036259/the-5-oclock-club-there-should-no-longer-be-any-doubt-dwayne-haskins-is-the-redskins-qb-period[/url]

Lengthy well written article on Haskins development and a ton of comments from KOC.

Ohioskins 01-09-2020 02:05 PM

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I watched Haskins develop here in Columbus for his year at OSU. He is smart, he does catch on quickly. But Urban Meyer does not have a track record for developing pro quarterbacks. Meyer really runs college oriented schemes. So it will take Haskins some time to really grasp the way a pro offense is run. But he is very smart, and he is rather humble, plus he has a lightening bolt on the end of his arm. With patience and the proper grooming, he can be an exceptional QB.

skinsfaninok 01-09-2020 02:23 PM

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[quote=Ohioskins;1242538]I watched Haskins develop here in Columbus for his year at OSU. He is smart, he does catch on quickly. But Urban Meyer does not have a track record for developing pro quarterbacks. Meyer really runs college oriented schemes. So it will take Haskins some time to really grasp the way a pro offense is run. But he is very smart, and he is rather humble, plus he has a lightening bolt on the end of his arm. With patience and the proper grooming, he can be an exceptional QB.[/quote]

Agree on the smarts, kid knows how to read a defense pre snap very well and he caught on his last 3 games! Give him some time and he'll be good to go

SunnySide 01-09-2020 02:44 PM

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[quote=Ohioskins;1242538]I watched Haskins develop here in Columbus for his year at OSU. He is smart, he does catch on quickly. But Urban Meyer does not have a track record for developing pro quarterbacks. Meyer really runs college oriented schemes. So it will take Haskins some time to really grasp the way a pro offense is run. But he is very smart, and he is rather humble, plus he has a lightening bolt on the end of his arm. With patience and the proper grooming, he can be an exceptional QB.[/quote]

I was listening to some radio talking head but he was more scout oriented, in some way conected to player development in the nfl ..

He liked everything about Haskins but had 2 knocks on him:

Instincts. He said Haskins is football intelligent but doesnt have the instincts the great QBs do. I think I see that, sometimes he holds onto the ball to long looking perhaps to comfortable in the pocket. I try not to judge to much on subjective opinion type analysis but I think you can see that while he is football smart he doesnt have that instinct. However you define "instinct", I dont know.

Inconsistent accuracy. He can be pinpoint accurate on one throw then just miss on another. He said this is something that coaching cant really fix which surprised me bc I think w mechanics and coaching that should be a thing you could improve over time.

Foot work .. goes without saying. Said this is something can be corrected and coached.

skinsfan69 01-10-2020 04:30 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1242542]I was listening to some radio talking head but he was more scout oriented, in some way conected to player development in the nfl ..

He liked everything about Haskins but had 2 knocks on him:

Instincts. He said Haskins is football intelligent but doesnt have the instincts the great QBs do. I think I see that, sometimes he holds onto the ball to long looking perhaps to comfortable in the pocket. I try not to judge to much on subjective opinion type analysis but I think you can see that while he is football smart he doesnt have that instinct. However you define "instinct", I dont know.

Inconsistent accuracy. He can be pinpoint accurate on one throw then just miss on another. He said this is something that coaching cant really fix which surprised me bc I think w mechanics and coaching that should be a thing you could improve over time.

Foot work .. goes without saying. Said this is something can be corrected and coached.[/quote]

I think he gets better at all the things mentioned if he just stays out on the field and plays.

Ohioskins 01-10-2020 09:14 AM

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His footwork was an issue at OSU. He does need to work on that.

Ohioskins 01-10-2020 09:15 AM

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The footwork, and also the inconsistency, issues comes from him sometimes having too much confidence in the strength of his arm.

JoeRedskin 01-10-2020 09:57 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1242542]I was listening to some radio talking head but he was more scout oriented, in some way conected to player development in the nfl ..

He liked everything about Haskins but had 2 knocks on him:

Instincts. He said Haskins is football intelligent but doesnt have the instincts the great QBs do. I think I see that, sometimes he holds onto the ball to long looking perhaps to comfortable in the pocket. I try not to judge to much on subjective opinion type analysis but I think you can see that while he is football smart he doesnt have that instinct. However you define "instinct", I dont know.

Inconsistent accuracy. He can be pinpoint accurate on one throw then just miss on another. He said this is something that coaching cant really fix which surprised me bc I think w mechanics and coaching that should be a thing you could improve over time.

Foot work .. goes without saying. Said this is something can be corrected and coached.[/quote]

Thanks good stuff. I am hopeful that he is someone who has a really, really, high ceiling. I think I see his potential in some of his play but, not being a person who judges that sh** for a living, it could just be wishful thinking.


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