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skinsfaninok 03-16-2021 09:29 AM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
[quote=mtk;1279380]you see tess, when you score more points than the other team you win

[img]https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/booger-mcfarland.jpg[/img][/quote]

lol

SunnySide 03-16-2021 10:19 AM

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JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS

12h
Ron Rivera last week: "Id love to get a guy with the skillset of Kevin Pierre-Louis, whether its Kevin or someone else. Id love to have Kevin back. He did a lot of
good for us, played well, did a lot of good things, got a lot better down the line."

KPL just signed w Houston

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If the game plan was resign our own .. well that was a lie. Darby and KPL should have been resigned at their reasonable rates.

If the game plan was to upgrade positions through FA .. our lie detector test determined that was a lie as well.

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Chief X_Phackter 03-16-2021 11:25 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1279399]JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS

12h
Ron Rivera last week: "Id love to get a guy with the skillset of Kevin Pierre-Louis, whether its Kevin or someone else. Id love to have Kevin back. He did a lot of
good for us, played well, did a lot of good things, got a lot better down the line."

KPL just signed w Houston

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If the game plan was resign our own .. well that was a lie. Darby and KPL should have been resigned at their reasonable rates.

If the game plan was to upgrade positions through FA .. our lie detector test determined that was a lie as well.

[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/a7/ed/63a7edc220fe41d8eb3dfc94d96cd4a4.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

So 24 hours into free agency you have determined that, because Darby and KPL signed with other teams, they don't plan to upgrade the team through free agency?

MTK 03-16-2021 11:26 AM

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Ron and company did a great job bargain hunting in FA last year. How about we give him the benefit of the doubt?

SunnySide 03-16-2021 11:55 AM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1279427]So 24 hours into free agency you have determined that, because Darby and KPL signed with other teams, they don't plan to upgrade the team through free agency?[/quote]

I was being a bit over dramatic .. but starting CB has become a major need now. I would have matched the 3/30 for Darby and pursue William Jackson.

I trust RR .. but Im starting to wonder if he and his old school buddies are applying an old school approach to a new school of cap and FA.

With the low cap this year, us in better cap position than most and the cap taking off after this year ... I think we may be behind the times.

MTK 03-16-2021 12:03 PM

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Building through the draft and not chasing free agents is always a smart approach.

Chief X_Phackter 03-16-2021 12:10 PM

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[quote=SunnySide;1279441]I was being a bit over dramatic .. but starting CB has become a major need now. I would have matched the 3/30 for Darby and pursue William Jackson.

I trust RR .. but Im starting to wonder if he and his old school buddies are applying an old school approach to a new school of cap and FA.

With the low cap this year, us in better cap position than most and the cap taking off after this year ... I think we may be behind the times.[/quote]

I think it is actually a forward thinking approach so far. Just because you have a lot of cap space, doesn't mean you have to go and sign a bunch of bad contracts.

They can upgrade without overspending. There are still plenty of candidates out there that can help this team, but by not overspending they position themselves to retain some of their own core players in the next couple years.

SunnySide 03-16-2021 12:46 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1279445]I think it is actually a forward thinking approach so far. Just because you have a lot of cap space, doesn't mean you have to go and sign a bunch of bad contracts.

They can upgrade without overspending. There are still plenty of candidates out there that can help this team, but by not overspending they position themselves to retain some of their own core players in the next couple years.[/quote]

I mostly agree with you, I think Im playing devils advocate to a degree here ... but I question if this current FO is capable of retaining their core players.

Tagging Scherff 2 years in a row is a FO failure.
No word on an Allen extension
No word on a Thomas extension
They let Darby walk
They did resign Roullier

Maybe Scherff and Allens camp said they want to get to the 2022 cap before entertaining contract talks.

If we go into next season carrying over anything more than 5M in cap .. thats a FO failure.

Lots of time and players left ... Id feel a lot better if they were able to extend Scherff, Allen and Thomas though. Until they do, they havent retained their core.

im getting an old man approach vibe to a modern and changing way of dealing with the cap.

GridIron26 03-16-2021 12:59 PM

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It takes both parties to work out an extension. There isn't much WFT can do if those players and/or their agents want to wait on the extension.

MTK 03-16-2021 01:03 PM

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Not hearing any word doesn't mean things aren't in the works behind the scenes. I'm sure Allen and Thomas are both high priorities. As for Darby last year was the first time he played all 16 games. For the $$ he got from Denver I can't hate letting him walk. He earned a nice payday but odds are he will get hurt again sooner rather than later.

SunnySide 03-16-2021 01:11 PM

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I agree with what you guys are saying .. but Im getting the feeling this FO only offers team friendly deals.

Darby 3/30/20 should have been easy enough for this team to pull off.

We'll see, lots of time and moves to be made.

MTK 03-16-2021 01:17 PM

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Financially of course they could have matched the Darby deal. Do you feel confident he's going to be available for let's say 42 of his next 48 regular season games though? His injury history is pretty significant. Odds aren't in his favor.

SunnySide 03-16-2021 01:23 PM

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[quote=MTK;1279454]Financially of course they could have matched the Darby deal. Do you feel confident he's going to be available for let's say 42 of his next 48 regular season games though? His injury history is pretty significant. Odds aren't in his favor.[/quote]

We got lucky Darby gave us 16+1, no doubt, and I wondered if he was a Dunbar type player that wouldnt play through pain .. but hes on a 2/20M deal basically. 4M cap hit this year, then 13M next year.

All these teams are pushing money to next year and beyond .. its almost like they know the cap will be 220 next year then 240 the year after that.

Cap is tied to NFL revenue and these new TV deals are going to hit the books next year.

Why wouldnt you give Darby 2/20?

edit - our season isnt ruined bc of darby, we should be able to find a new Darby this offseason and im coming off more fanatic than I actually am .. but RR needs to address CB and WR in a big way.

edit edit -- I would have also done the Hunter Henry deal. 3/37.5/25 with the 25 probably coming in the first 2 years .. below value imo.

MTK 03-16-2021 01:30 PM

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Maybe they like a few guys they feel they can get in the draft? Maybe they just don't like his medicals long term and feel like rolling the dice again on him won't pay off? Who knows.

Chico23231 03-16-2021 01:42 PM

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So Im assuming some big cuts by the 5-6 teams still over the cap by 4 tomorrow? Might be advantageous to wait to see who becomes available

MTK 03-16-2021 10:58 PM

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I guess we have our answer as to why they let Darby walk, they wanted an upgrade

AnonEmouse 03-17-2021 07:22 AM

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Well that's 2 signings I had on my list that I like. With Henry and Smith gone, I'd like to see Everett picked up. They can then concentrate on OL, WR, LB and S with the remainder of FA and the draft, plus whatever depth we can add elsewhere. So far I like what we're doing in FA a lot.

skinsfaninok 03-17-2021 08:36 AM

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Jackson was targeted 69 times and allowed just 36 catches and 3 tds.

I'll take that production vs WR1s all day

SunnySide 03-17-2021 10:35 AM

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So happy we signed William Jackson. I was worried we go late offseason vet signing at corner.

WR Rashard Higgins
LB Jayon Brown
LB KJ Wright

Draft LT Darrisaw at 19
Draft a WR and TE in rounds 2-4

??

Profit!

Chico23231 03-17-2021 11:57 AM

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[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/522rid.jpg[/IMG]

Ruhskins 03-17-2021 12:54 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1279583][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/522rid.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Pretty much. :laughing-

AnonEmouse 03-17-2021 12:56 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
Would it be too much of a gamble/too expensive to pursue Eric Fisher? If he could return to 2020 form it would shore up our LT position, but a torn achilles can be tough to come back from.

If not, then I agree with going after an LB or 2 in FA and stocking up on OL in the draft. But I'd really like to see us pick up Samuel as the #2 receiver. It would give us 2 talented dual threat players (with Gibson); a lot of wrinkles available with the playbook.

Although there's good WR depth in the draft, I'd say that may play into our hands, with other positions we need dropping to us, while others chase the top QB's and WR's.

vallin21 03-17-2021 01:12 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
As far as the FA WRs, theyre underwhelming. Im not spending big money on Samuel, Fuller or Golladay. If their $ price is too high, Id pass and wait until the draft to get one or two in a deep WR class.

BaltimoreSkins 03-17-2021 01:18 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
Longer they are on the market the cheaper the cost

Chico23231 03-17-2021 01:33 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1279600]Longer they are on the market the cheaper the cost[/quote]

Yup...but john Brown and AJ Green taking deals from Raiders and Cardinals removes suitors from better talent.

SunnySide 03-17-2021 02:07 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
Cheaper TE route may be Jesse James. Plus blocker, 6'7", not happy that Detroit didnt involve in the offense more.

Chief X_Phackter 03-17-2021 07:03 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
Current WFT linebacker depth chart:

WLB
Josh Harvey-Clemons
Khaleke Hudson
Jordan Kunaszyk

ILB
Jon Bostic

SLB
Cole Holcomb
Justin Phillips

njant 03-18-2021 10:40 AM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
Washington LB depth is brutal god we need to sign a decent free agent there

skinsfaninok 03-18-2021 10:45 AM

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[url]https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/31086180[/url]

Greeny is right

CRedskinsRule 03-25-2021 08:50 PM

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I know ultimately we have to see it on the field, but it is clear this staff had a solid plan.

They are currently knocking it out of the park.

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Chief X_Phackter 03-25-2021 09:18 PM

Re: WFT Free Agency Plan
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280282]I know ultimately we have to see it on the field, but it is clear this staff had a solid plan.

They are currently knocking it out of the park.

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Arguably the biggest needs entering the offseason: QB, WR, CB, LB, TE, OL

According to NFL.com's rankings of available free agents, they have managed to sign the #2 QB, #3 WR, and #2 CB, while adding one of the better slot receivers and some depth on the O-line and at LB:

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Curtis Samuel
Adam Humphries
Tyler Larsen
William Jackson
David Mayo

Not to mention the list of starters and depth players they have brought back:

Kyle Allen
Taylor Heinicke
Cam Sims
Lamar Miller
Brandon Scherff
Chase Roullier
David Sharpe
Jared Norris
Danny Johnson
Dustin Hopkins

Still work to do but you are right, I think you have to really like what they have done since the season ended.


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