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Schneed10 03-16-2022 03:38 PM

Commanders Salary Cap Status 2022
 
Back again, 2022 version:

[B]Cap Space Coming into Offseason: $33M[/B]

[U]Moves Recognized by Over the Cap as of March 23, 2022 at 12pm[/U][INDENT]Trade for Carson Wentz (28.3)
Release Matt Ioannidis 6.8
Release Ereck Flowers 10.0
Sign Tyler Larsen (1.0)
Tender Brian Johnson (0.8)
Release Deshazor Everett 2.0
Tender Joey Slye (2.4)
Sign JD McKissic (1.9)
Tender Keith Ismael (0.9)
Sign Bobby McCain (2.8)
Sign Andrew Norwell (2.8)
Sign Cam Sims (2.6)
Sign Troy Apke (1.0)
Net Out from the Top 51 5.6[/INDENT]
[B]Current Cap Space As Estimated by OTC $12.9[/B]

[U]Moves Not Yet Recognized by OTC[/U][INDENT]Not Shakin' & Booty Fakin' at Cornelius Lucas (3.0)*
Net Out from the Top 51 0.8[/INDENT]
[B]Current Estimated Cap Space $10.1M[/B]

[U]Post June 1 Moves[/U][INDENT]Release Landon Collins as a Post June 1 Cut 11.9
Net Out from the Top 51 (0.8)[/INDENT]
[B]Cap Space Effective June 1 $21.8M[/B]

[SIZE="2"]* Note these are my educated guesstimates at the likely cap hits of those deals.[/SIZE]

Chico23231 03-16-2022 03:48 PM

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Thanks for the update S10

I think it’s pretty cool we tendered the lead singer of AC/DC

punch it in 03-16-2022 03:53 PM

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So we are in a position to bring in a couple solid starters still? We desperately need to bolster the o line.

Schneed10 03-16-2022 04:01 PM

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[quote=punch it in;1313320]So we are in a position to bring in a couple solid starters still? We desperately need to bolster the o line.[/quote]

Yes I would look at it that way. They are probably willing to be the most aggressive at MLB, and I agree that $5M or so is probably earmarked for a guard. Schweitzer makes $5.8M, think of somebody around that level.

EdmundDorf 03-16-2022 04:04 PM

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Do you think they would do a standard restucture on Wentz's contract? Would be worth another $18m

Schneed10 03-16-2022 04:28 PM

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313322]Do you think they would do a standard restucture on Wentz's contract? Would be worth another $18m[/quote]

It's possible but I don't think they will. That would represent an all-in kind of commitment to Wentz. I think they were willing to make the all-in commitment to Russ Wilson but with Wentz I think Ron is going to understand it's entirely possible this goes to shit and he needs to exit.

I happen to think it's going to help us. Not because Wentz is all that great, it's just that's how bad our QB play has been.

Ron will understand that a step up is a step up, but he'd still like to leave himself the option to take another step up next year if he can.

I think he knows he's working his way up from QB Situation #32 in the NFL here. Wentz might get him to QB Situation #17. And next year he might want another shot at QB Situation #1.

EdmundDorf 03-16-2022 04:57 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;1313344]It's possible but I don't think they will. That would represent an all-in kind of commitment to Wentz. I think they were willing to make the all-in commitment to Russ Wilson but with Wentz I think Ron is going to understand it's entirely possible this goes to shit and he needs to exit.

I happen to think it's going to help us. Not because Wentz is all that great, it's just that's how bad our QB play has been.

Ron will understand that a step up is a step up, but he'd still like to leave himself the option to take another step up next year if he can.

I think he knows he's working his way up from QB Situation #32 in the NFL here. Wentz might get him to QB Situation #17. And next year he might want another shot at QB Situation #1.[/quote]

:thumbsup:

punch it in 03-16-2022 05:30 PM

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1313321]Yes I would look at it that way. They are probably willing to be the most aggressive at MLB, and I agree that $5M or so is probably earmarked for a guard. Schweitzer makes $5.8M, think of somebody around that level.[/QUOTE]


MLB is a huge concern, but losing both G’s and bringing in Wentz suddenly, imo, makes oline a top priority. Plus I really like a couple LB’s who will probably be there at 11 - if we do not trade back. This is good to know though. That we can bring in a couple pieces still thru FA. Thanks.

FrenchSkin 03-16-2022 07:38 PM

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Cutting Flowers is a head scratcher to me. I would have extended him and restructure to lower 2022 cap number. But I guess they are confident in their ability to find competent Olinemen on the cheap. And so far they have a track record of successfully doing so with the likes of Wes Schweitzer and Cornelius Lucas.

njant 03-16-2022 10:41 PM

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We definitely need a guard through the draft or free agency and one that is fairly good at least

EdmundDorf 03-17-2022 02:18 AM

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1313362]Cutting Flowers is a head scratcher to me. I would have extended him and restructure to lower 2022 cap number. But I guess they are confident in their ability to find competent Olinemen on the cheap. And so far they have a track record of successfully doing so with the likes of Wes Schweitzer and Cornelius Lucas.[/quote]

Apparently they tried but he wasn't interested. They must feel their other options at a lower price are better, but it will be a short season for Wentz if they are wrong.

Schneed10 03-17-2022 07:00 AM

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Teams tend to use up the vast majority of their cap space in this first week. Overpays left and right. There are startable guards out there, we just need to wait and we’ll end up with a handful of startable guys or rotation pieces.

skinsfaninok 03-17-2022 10:22 AM

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we used to be the Jags , $$$$$ and it never got us anywhere. Glad that is not the approach anymore

Schneed10 03-17-2022 12:52 PM

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Original post updated through the knowns and the estimates as of noon today.

EdmundDorf 03-17-2022 01:04 PM

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Interesting to see that they have put 2 void years on the end of JDMs deal, not something I have seen them do before. I assume it is residue from matching Buffalos deal

Schneed10 03-18-2022 03:46 PM

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1313461]Interesting to see that they have put 2 void years on the end of JDMs deal, not something I have seen them do before. I assume it is residue from matching Buffalos deal[/quote]

They did the same thing with McCain. It allows you to spread a prorated portion of guarantees over 3 years instead of 2. A cap machination a lot of teams are using these days.

Schneed10 03-18-2022 03:52 PM

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OP was updated again to reflect now-known details of the Bobby McCain and Cam Sims contracts, and a better guesstimate of the Norwell contract.

McCain's deal includes voidable years which spread the allocation of guaranteed signing bonus money to three years, rather than two. His cap hit this year is less than $3M as a result.

Norwell's deal was lower than I initially thought it would be, indications are it's a two year deal for ten million. His cap hit will be lower than Wes Schweitzer, and frankly the Norwell contract looks like a big bargain, even considering that he's not the same player as he was in 2017 when he made All Pro.

Cam Sims deal is $2.59M, not $3M as previously reported.

Washington is beginning to deploy these voidable year tactics to massage the cap, something they intentionally avoided doing under Bruce Allen. They are now getting in line with what other teams are doing to manage their caps.

Room remains to add a starting middle linebacker, I'd look for that to happen in the coming weeks. That will still leave room to extend McLaurin before camp.

EdmundDorf 03-18-2022 03:53 PM

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Yes I saw that, must be the new front office.

EdmundDorf 03-18-2022 04:18 PM

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Slye is listed as $2.4m

FrenchSkin 03-18-2022 08:30 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;1313613]OP was updated again to reflect now-known details of the Bobby McCain and Cam Sims contracts, and a better guesstimate of the Norwell contract.

McCain's deal includes voidable years which spread the allocation of guaranteed signing bonus money to three years, rather than two. His cap hit this year is less than $3M as a result.

[B]Norwell's deal was lower than I initially thought it would be, indications are it's a two year deal for ten million.[/B] His cap hit will be lower than Wes Schweitzer, and frankly the Norwell contract looks like a big bargain, even considering that he's not the same player as he was in 2017 when he made All Pro.

Cam Sims deal is $2.59M, not $3M as previously reported.

Washington is beginning to deploy these voidable year tactics to massage the cap, something they intentionally avoided doing under Bruce Allen. They are now getting in line with what other teams are doing to manage their caps.

Room remains to add a starting middle linebacker, I'd look for that to happen in the coming weeks. That will still leave room to extend McLaurin before camp.[/quote]

Yeah I'm really surprised. So far this is looking like a really good move.
22.9M is a very decent amount. We should be able to make a couple of significant signings.

I'd be curious to know where we rank in the league as of now (pretty much impossible to know right now, OTC has us 12th at 16.8M but this ranking doesn't include a lot of our moves and other teams' moves.

Chico23231 03-18-2022 09:22 PM

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1313636]Yeah I'm really surprised. So far this is looking like a really good move.
22.9M is a very decent amount. We should be able to make a couple of significant signings.

I'd be curious to know where we rank in the league as of now (pretty much impossible to know right now, OTC has us 12th at 16.8M but this ranking doesn't include a lot of our moves and other teams' moves.[/quote]

I like s10 idea to extend Terry and then let’s add a playmaker, either Bobby Wagner or Honey Badger.

FrenchSkin 03-18-2022 09:24 PM

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1313640]I like s10 idea to extend Terry and then let’s add a playmaker, either Bobby Wagner or Honey Badger.[/QUOTE]Yop, you know where I stand on that ^^

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Schneed10 03-23-2022 12:20 PM

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OP was updated again, OvertheCap has caught up with all of our moves. Andrew Norwell's contract looks just like Bobby McCain's, they have voidable years tacked on so as to keep the cap hit in year 1 low. His cap hit this year will be $2.8M as opposed to the $4M I had been assuming. They continue to deploy this strategy to maintain cap space. Once Collins comes off the books on June 1 they'll have $24M in cap space.

To me, deploying the voidable year strategy is a clear sign that they intend to use the cap space for something this year. You don't deploy a contract strategy with multiple players to kick money into future seasons without having a plan to use the space in the here and now.

There are a number of things they could do with that space. I continue to think they'll fill out the roster with a few more contributing players over the next few weeks, and I continue to think they'll extend Terry McLaurin and take some of the hit on it this year.

They could also choose to extend Daron Payne, but that's just as likely to reduce his 2022 cap hit. He's on his option season at $8.5M this year, an extension probably doesn't move that needle upward much.

I think it's Terry by training camp.

EdmundDorf 03-23-2022 01:11 PM

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Great job, kind of shocked we got Norwells cap hit so low, you could be right about their intensions. Would think a Payne extension is next to reduce his cap hit, especially with Matty I and Settle gone

Schneed10 03-24-2022 11:03 AM

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OP updated to reflect the signing (not shakin or booty fakin at) Cornelius Lucas for 2 years $8.2M. I'm assuming a cap hit of around $3.0M or so for now, anticipating they probably applied the Bobby McCain void structure at the end to spread out the hit a little.

FrenchSkin 03-24-2022 08:08 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;1313907]OP was updated again, OvertheCap has caught up with all of our moves. Andrew Norwell's contract looks just like Bobby McCain's, they have voidable years tacked on so as to keep the cap hit in year 1 low. His cap hit this year will be $2.8M as opposed to the $4M I had been assuming. They continue to deploy this strategy to maintain cap space. Once Collins comes off the books on June 1 they'll have $24M in cap space.

To me, deploying the voidable year strategy is a clear sign that they intend to use the cap space for something this year. You don't deploy a contract strategy with multiple players to kick money into future seasons without having a plan to use the space in the here and now.

There are a number of things they could do with that space. I continue to think they'll fill out the roster with a few more contributing players over the next few weeks, and I continue to think they'll extend Terry McLaurin and take some of the hit on it this year.

They could also choose to extend Daron Payne, but that's just as likely to reduce his 2022 cap hit. He's on his option season at $8.5M this year, an extension probably doesn't move that needle upward much.

[B]I think it's Terry by training camp[/B].[/quote]

Great job sir, and let's pray you're right !

MTK 05-18-2022 11:49 AM

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS-GrNoXsAEIvZS?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

[URL="https://twitter.com/PFF_Brad/status/1526588595380830208?s=20&t=tXzt9gzmbahOIlm-xXMFiQ"]2022 Cap Health Rankings[/URL]

Five categories:

1. Active Draft Capital (how many rookie contract players you have and where they were selected)

2. 2022-24 Effective Cap space

3. Total Prorated money (want to be low)

4. Top 51 roster valuation (Browns #1)

5. 2023 UFA valuation (want to be low)

calia 05-18-2022 04:13 PM

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[quote=MTK;1316718][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS-GrNoXsAEIvZS?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

[URL="https://twitter.com/PFF_Brad/status/1526588595380830208?s=20&t=tXzt9gzmbahOIlm-xXMFiQ"]2022 Cap Health Rankings[/URL]

Five categories:

1. Active Draft Capital (how many rookie contract players you have and where they were selected)

2. 2022-24 Effective Cap space

3. Total Prorated money (want to be low)

4. Top 51 roster valuation (Browns #1)

5. 2023 UFA valuation (want to be low)[/quote]

This is interesting -- and suggests that being in cap hell may not, in fact, be the worst thing in the world. There are some good teams toward the bottom of the list (although maybe they'll have a few years of serious suckage ahead of them at some point soon). Not surprised to see the Pats so high with the way they ruthlessly unload expensive players.

I wonder if this tracks historically, but I note 7 of the top 10 are AFC teams whereas 7 of the bottom 10 are NFC teams.


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