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rocnrik 07-04-2020 09:16 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
By the way are the chiefs gonna change there name ? Iím hearing the Indians are talking about it ... please somebody tell how is referring to a person as a Indian offensive.. is it wrong to call somebody Chinese or Italian or Mexican .. If so are you considered rascist ? Iím trying to understand this whole ball of wax ..

metalskins 07-04-2020 11:23 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Z King;1253764]Hi. fellow Warpath members,

Please considering signing a petition "Rebrand the Redskins " by adding your name.

How about the name "Buckskins" ?-- so that the 'Skins-Cowboys rivalry can be preserved?

You can read more (and sign) the petition at change.org/renameredskins.

Thanks, so much!

Have a terrific Independence Day![/quote]

The Buckskins? That's a terrible name. No, just no.

metalskins 07-04-2020 11:24 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=rocnrik;1253768]By the way are the chiefs gonna change there name ? Iím hearing the Indians are talking about it ... [B]please somebody tell how is referring to a person as a Indian offensive..[/B] is it wrong to call somebody Chinese or Italian or Mexican .. If so are you considered rascist ? Iím trying to understand this whole ball of wax ..[/quote]


They're not Indians. They don't come from India.

Giantone 07-04-2020 12:04 PM

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two Names I keep hearing are the Red Tails and the Senators.

oldfan 07-04-2020 12:09 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
I am totally against the name Redtails. Can you imagine all of the headlines "Washington has Redtails from loosing again. They got their T***s beat again and they are red from embarrassment.. That name is embarrassing.

calia 07-04-2020 12:14 PM

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I saw an article somewhere that mentions Washington Revolution. Itís not entirely historically accurate but goes in an very different direction. Iíd be ok with that. Americaís team!


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Pervis_Griffith 07-04-2020 01:46 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
My 3 favorite ... not that anyone is asking me, or gives a damn ...


Renegades

Pig Skins

Sentinels



Hate the Generals.

Red Hawks is blah.

Red Tails feels like straight out pandering. And what happens if it is discovered that the Red Tails committed some war time atrocity or something? Not saying they did, but tieing our mascot to something so specific to appease the PC mob seems risky. Are we gonna go through this again?

Warriors doesn't do anything for me. But it will probably be the name.

Irrefutable 07-04-2020 02:37 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1253788]My 3 favorite ... not that anyone is asking me, or gives a damn ...


Renegades

Pig Skins

Sentinels



Hate the Generals.

Red Hawks is blah.

Red Tails feels like straight out pandering. And what happens if it is discovered that the Red Tails committed some war time atrocity or something? Not saying they did, but tieing our mascot to something so specific to appease the PC mob seems risky. Are we gonna go through this again?

Warriors doesn't do anything for me. But it will probably be the name.[/quote]



If they continue playing poorly then Generals would be appropriate .....Harlem Globetrotters opponent

punch it in 07-04-2020 03:22 PM

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[quote=mtk;1253727]washington mcfootballface


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lol

punch it in 07-04-2020 03:24 PM

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[QUOTE=Jimbo;1253759]If we keep giving up then what will be next we will have someone posted in each and every hospital to give YOUR OWN CHILDS NAME FOR YOU now thatís AMERICA I Donít THINK SO.[/QUOTE]



Dude could you bust on the scene with more bullshit all caps racist crap? You have been a member for 16 hours and will be the first person i ever blocked.
This post is not what I am referring to as racist. That would be the one that shows your complete intolerance of the BLM movement.

OmahaRedskins 07-04-2020 03:35 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Keep it simple.

Washington Braves - Keep the current logo

And

Washington Red tails - NO
Washington Generals - Hello NO

NIKE is a piece of shit company. With all of the issues in the world: the current pandemic, homelessness, sex trafficking, troops with PTSD, our political climate, they focus on a footballs teams name.

punch it in 07-04-2020 03:52 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1253797]Keep it simple.



Washington Braves - Keep the current logo



And



Washington Red tails - NO

Washington Generals - Hello NO



NIKE is a piece of shit company. With all of the issues in the world: the current pandemic, homelessness, sex trafficking, troops with PTSD, our political climate, they focus on a footballs teams name.[/QUOTE]



Nike is hypocritical to say the least. Fuck them.

KI Skins Fan 07-04-2020 04:01 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Jimbo;1253759]If we keep giving up then what will be next we will have someone posted in each and every hospital to give YOUR OWN CHILDS NAME FOR YOU now thatís AMERICA I Donít THINK SO.[/quote]

I think having a person other than the parents to name children is a great idea!

Signed, Englebert Humperdinck

Warthog 07-04-2020 04:12 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
I personally like the RED TAILS, because they have a great story and they were in the Army Air Corps in WWII. However, many people have never heard of the Tuskegee Airmen. I actually was in a USAF unit in Iraq, called the 332 Air Expeditionary Wing. They called themselves the Red Tails ( which what that unit did to all their airplanes in WWII - they painted there vertical stabilizer Red, so it could be easily recognized). When Air Force units are deployed to combat locations, the unit they go to is the same number and name of a FAMOUS Air Force unit.

BUT, I think Snyder is going with the Native American theme. The problem with WARRIORS or BRAVES is that name is used by a team in another sport. That includes the Generals - a team that loses to the Harlem Globetrotters.

I think he will go for a real Native American tribe. There are HUNDREDS of tribes to choose from, so I think it will be a FAMOUS and well-known tribe. That gets you down to a much smaller list:

CHEYENNE
APACHE
SIOUX
NAVAHO
COMMANCHE
CREEK
MOHAWK

There are no major sports teams with any of these tribes.

I believe it will be one of these tribes. Not Red Tails, not Generals, not Red Hawks, not Warriors or Braves.


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punch it in 07-04-2020 04:15 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[QUOTE=Warthog;1253801]I personally like the RED TAILS, because they have a great story and they were in the Army Air Corps in WWII. However, many people have never heard of the Tuskegee Airmen. I actually was in a USAF unit in Iraq, called the 332 Air Expeditionary Wing. They called themselves the Red Tails ( which what that unit did to all their airplanes in WWII - they painted there vertical stabilizer Red, so it could be easily recognized). When Air Force units are deployed to combat locations, the unit they go to is the same number and name of a FAMOUS Air Force unit.

BUT, I think Snyder is going with the Native American theme. The problem with WARRIORS or BRAVES is that name is used by a team in another sport. That includes the Generals - a team that loses to the Harlem Globetrotters.

I think he will go for a real Native American tribe. There are HUNDREDS of tribes to choose from, so I think it will be a FAMOUS and well-known tribe. That gets you down to a much smaller list:

CHEYENNE
APACHE
SIOUX
NAVAHO
COMMANCHE
CREEK
MOHAWK

There are no major sports teams with any of these tribes.

I believe it will be one of these tribes. Not Red Tails, not Generals, not Red Hawks, not Warriors or Braves.


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The Washington Mohawk is so bad ass

SolidSnake84 07-04-2020 04:29 PM

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1253800]I think having a person other than the parents to name children is a great idea!

Signed, Englebert Humperdinck[/quote]

It isn't the worst idea when you hear all of those stories where children get given horrible names because their parents are trying to be cool or edgy.

[url]https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/13/shy-kingmessiah-top-list-worst-baby-names-2019-11088569/[/url]

SolidSnake84 07-04-2020 04:41 PM

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"KingMessiah" might be the worst name i've ever heard, besides many years ago when there was that baby named "Fighter Pilot" or something like that...

Jimbo 07-04-2020 05:43 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Hereís a name that will ring the bell of congress TRUMPSKINS

skinsfaninok 07-04-2020 06:29 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Warriors or RedHawks.

Dan wants to keep the colors and logo so that would work.

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JackLord 07-04-2020 06:46 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Hello all,

I have lurked here for years, but the current situation has motivated me to join this fine forum. I have bled burgundy & gold since 1971. I am sick about the name change and am trying to come to terms with it.

IMHO the best scenarios are:

1) [B]Washington Warriors[/B]: Switch to the 1960s spear logo and tweak the fight song. Most everything remains so it would be palatable. The one problem- and it could be a big one- is that we would still be in the realm of Native Americans with the spear logo

2) [B]Washington Redhawks:[/B] Take a cue from Miami University in Ohio. Switch to the late 60s/early 70s "R" logo and tweak the fight song. Emphasize the scripted Rs and avoid too much bird talk. Hassle free as the Native American stuff is jettisoned once and for all.

More unconventional choices:

[B]Washington Braves:[/B] I am a stickler for tradition and Braves is the original name. Having one syllable makes the fight song harder to tweak. And we are still in Native American territory.

[B]Washington Redskins[/B]: I used to think that maybe Snyder could ditch the current logo and return to the aforementioned "R" logo. Also expunge any other Native American references. Then issue a press release that states the name now refers to the color of the uniforms, nothing more. But I doubt Snyder could pull it off.

[B]Washington Hogs[/B]: With the right moves, it could work.

FrenchSkin 07-04-2020 07:50 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Warthog;1253801]I personally like the RED TAILS, because they have a great story and they were in the Army Air Corps in WWII. However, many people have never heard of the Tuskegee Airmen. I actually was in a USAF unit in Iraq, called the 332 Air Expeditionary Wing. They called themselves the Red Tails ( which what that unit did to all their airplanes in WWII - they painted there vertical stabilizer Red, so it could be easily recognized). When Air Force units are deployed to combat locations, the unit they go to is the same number and name of a FAMOUS Air Force unit.

BUT, I think Snyder is going with the Native American theme. The problem with WARRIORS or BRAVES is that name is used by a team in another sport. That includes the Generals - a team that loses to the Harlem Globetrotters.

I think he will go for a real Native American tribe. There are HUNDREDS of tribes to choose from, so I think it will be a FAMOUS and well-known tribe. That gets you down to a much smaller list:

CHEYENNE
APACHE
SIOUX
NAVAHO
COMMANCHE
CREEK
MOHAWK

There are no major sports teams with any of these tribes.

I believe it will be one of these tribes. Not Red Tails, not Generals, not Red Hawks, not Warriors or Braves.


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What I would like with the Native tribe name is that it would be a good opportunity to do something that should've been done decades ago, and would have likely avoided this mess:

Do more to [I][U]publicly and consistently honor and support Native Americans[/U][/I].
Have [I][U]a % of the team's benefits[/U][/I] automatically given to support local Native communities.
Have [I][U]regular cultural events[/U][/I] to promote Native American culture.
Have [I][U]pre game shows and parades[/U][/I] held by Natives.

Had this been done earlier, the whole "this team's name is racist" narrative would have been a harder sell.

And frankly, I think a huge organisation that choses to brand Native American like the Redskins do, has a responsibility to listen to, represent, honor and support. And I don't think this franchise lived up to this responsibility.

Maybe now is the time.

(Please keep in mind I say this while thinking the Redskins' name isn't racist, and would have loved for my team to keep its name, but it seems that ship has sailed...)

Jimbo 07-04-2020 08:49 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Why donít we do a mail in voting

Jimbo 07-04-2020 09:34 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Or maybe we should just let football die like our history kills me to say it but to much BS anymore

SkinzWin 07-04-2020 10:01 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=JackLord;1253818]Hello all,

I have lurked here for years, but the current situation has motivated me to join this fine forum. I have bled burgundy & gold since 1971. I am sick about the name change and am trying to come to terms with it.

IMHO the best scenarios are:

1) [B]Washington Warriors[/B]: Switch to the 1960s spear logo and tweak the fight song. Most everything remains so it would be palatable. The one problem- and it could be a big one- is that we would still be in the realm of Native Americans with the spear logo

2) [B]Washington Redhawks:[/B] Take a cue from Miami University in Ohio. Switch to the late 60s/early 70s "R" logo and tweak the fight song. Emphasize the scripted Rs and avoid too much bird talk. Hassle free as the Native American stuff is jettisoned once and for all.

More unconventional choices:

[B]Washington Braves:[/B] I am a stickler for tradition and Braves is the original name. Having one syllable makes the fight song harder to tweak. And we are still in Native American territory.

[B]Washington Redskins[/B]: I used to think that maybe Snyder could ditch the current logo and return to the aforementioned "R" logo. Also expunge any other Native American references. Then issue a press release that states the name now refers to the color of the uniforms, nothing more. But I doubt Snyder could pull it off.

[B]Washington Hogs[/B]: With the right moves, it could work.[/quote]

I donít want a name that is already another franchise name. See the Golden state warriors of the NBA.

I like the Redhawks.

Personally a fan of the Atlanta Braves, but again donít want to share a team name.

Hogs is a terrible name.

I still say Washington Renegades should be strongly considered and use the Redskins ďRĒ logo.

rocnrik 07-04-2020 10:28 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Washington Tomahawks, Washington Arrows or arrowhead(s), Cherokee, Apache thunder , moccasins .. just some ideas

kct1975 07-04-2020 10:44 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[QUOTE=rocnrik;1253835]Washington Tomahawks, Washington Arrows or arrowhead(s), Cherokee, Apache thunder , moccasins .. just some ideas[/QUOTE]Humm...I actually like the Washington Tomahawks or Washington Arrows or even the Washington Arrowheads

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rocnrik 07-04-2020 10:52 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
It seems that objects are okay .. it gets tricky when using team names after groups of people .. Even though I like Cherokee and other tribe names it still leaves the door open for controversy...but even as I type this did not Florida state get in trouble for the tomahawk chop move ? Itís going to be tricky and Dan has one shot at getting this right .. keeping the diehards pleased and being political correct .. I hope this turns out good

rocnrik 07-04-2020 10:58 PM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
Washington Redfeathers ?

calia 07-05-2020 02:19 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[QUOTE=kct1975;1253836]Humm...I actually like the Washington Tomahawks or Washington Arrows or even the Washington Arrowheads

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Too much like KC.


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FrenchSkin 07-05-2020 04:15 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=rocnrik;1253837]It seems that objects are okay .. it gets tricky when using team names after groups of people ..[B] Even though I like Cherokee and other tribe names it still leaves the door open for controversy[/B]...but even as I type this did not Florida state get in trouble for the tomahawk chop move ? Itís going to be tricky and Dan has one shot at getting this right .. keeping the diehards pleased and being political correct .. I hope this turns out good[/quote]

I say it depends how it's done.

If Natives and Natives representative are included in the discussion and the choice of the name, and have a say in how they want to be represented and supported, one would say a community would appreciate the [I]legit[/I] support of a big organisation having millions of fans.

I think the name change is also a consequence of not living up to the responsibility of representing and supporting the community you're branding.

BaltimoreSkins 07-05-2020 09:11 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=rocnrik;1253837]It seems that objects are okay .. it gets tricky when using team names after groups of people .. Even though I like Cherokee and other tribe names it still leaves the door open for controversy...but even as I type this did not Florida state get in trouble for the tomahawk chop move ? Itís going to be tricky and Dan has one shot at getting this right .. keeping the diehards pleased and being political correct .. I hope this turns out good[/quote]

I agree that I would try to stay away from names referring to a specific race or nation. The public sentiment can and probably will sway in the future. 30 years from now when he is in his 80s does he really want to be fighting another name change and have that be his legacy for the franchise? I know I wouldn't. In terms of keeping the diehards pleased they will come around. I can't imagine not rooting for the same group of players just because the logo and nickname has changed. Every parent that is a football fan will still want to take their kid to see them play or watch the games as a family on Sunday. We will all be here on the gameday thread talking to each other even if they change everything.

Schneed10 07-05-2020 09:15 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
I love all these ideas from you morons that suggest switching from a name considered racist to a less insulting yet still racist name. The Tomahawks? Yeah letís switch from racist to diet racist, that will go well.

rocnrik 07-05-2020 09:25 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
A tomahawk is a type of single-handed ax native to the many Indigenous peoples and nations of North America, traditionally resembling a hatchet with a straight shaft. The term came into the English language in the 17th century as an adaptation of the Powhatan word... Iím not sure how this is racist.. You donít see the irony of you calling people morons and at the same time accusing others of being rascist? You are not very tolerant of others views are you ? Hmmmm ...

Schneed10 07-05-2020 09:32 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though itís strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If youíre going to make a name change, just do it. Donít make the mistake of doing something thatís still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyderís tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are donít want to be a mascot at all. If you donít get that youíre a moron.

MTK 07-05-2020 09:42 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Schneed10;1253853]I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though itís strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If youíre going to make a name change, just do it. Donít make the mistake of doing something thatís still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyderís tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are donít want to be a mascot at all. If you donít get that youíre a moron.[/quote]

I agree, just goes to show that plenty of people donít completely understand what the crux of this movement is

davy 07-05-2020 09:45 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Schneed10;1253853][B]I believe in calling a spade a spade[/B], I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though itís strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If youíre going to make a name change, just do it. Donít make the mistake of doing something thatís still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyderís tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are donít want to be a mascot at all. If you donít get that youíre a moron.[/quote]

You sure you're not offending anybody by using that phrase?

rocnrik 07-05-2020 09:58 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
He doesnít get it ...Iím taking a break from all this .. you guys figure it out hopefully it works out to your liking ..

FrenchSkin 07-05-2020 10:05 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=Schneed10;1253853]I believe in calling a spade a spade, I think my reputation here precedes me in that way, and that idea is just fucking ignorant.

Are you even aware that the Redskins are not the only team that catches shit on this issue. The Braves, Chiefs and Indians are all under fire too, though itís strongest with us because Redskin is the most overt. But the Indians have already said they are reviewing their name too.

Why? Look at the signs the protesters hold up, the hashtag they use is #notyourmascot. If youíre going to make a name change, just do it. Donít make the mistake of doing something thatís still going to piss these people off. It will look like the most gone deaf thing of all time and will epitomize Dan Snyderís tenure as owner.

Not all Native Americans are bothered by Redskins. But the ones that are donít want to be a mascot at all. If you donít get that youíre a moron.[/quote]

I'll definitely admit right away I don't have a global and thorough view of the issue.
But I have a hard time thinking there wouldn't be a way to properly and inclusively honor Native American culture.

Isn't part of the issue the fact that because the team doesn't seem to actually do much to honor and support Native communities, it can be perceived as flat out cultural appropriation ?
If it was a process and dialogue with Native communities couldn't it be a good tool to honor, raise awareness and fund projects that would benefit them ?

Maybe it's too late and there's kinda no way to make it up though.

FrenchSkin 07-05-2020 10:08 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=davy;1253855]You sure you're not offending anybody by using that phrase?[/quote]

Lemmy's offended.

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BaltimoreSkins 07-05-2020 10:39 AM

Re: Come up with a new name for the Redskins
 
[quote=FrenchSkin;1253857]I'll definitely admit right away I don't have a global and thorough view of the issue.
But I have a hard time thinking there wouldn't be a way to properly and inclusively honor Native American culture.

Isn't part of the issue the fact that because the team doesn't seem to actually do much to honor and support Native communities, it can be perceived as flat out cultural appropriation ?
If it was a process and dialogue with Native communities couldn't it be a good tool to honor, raise awareness and fund projects that would benefit them ?

Maybe it's too late and there's kinda no way to make it up though.[/quote]

To me it will be viewed as appropriation either way. The backlash in our society of a member of the wealthy in the United States "buying" the rights to name a team after a minority group would not stand. Even if there is an agreement between a tribal nation that agrees to it. You would see continued financial boycott from investors that would perceive this as exploitation. DC would still hold up a stadium deal. If that was to happen it should have happened already.


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