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skinsfaninok 02-18-2021 09:51 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
New NFL Salary Cap: $180M, down from $200M in 2020
-Washington has $38 million in cap space, 5th most in NFL.
-Cowboys have $19M in space
-Giants under $1M in space
-Eagles cap is an absolute mess, as much as $47 million over the new cap

JP

MTK 02-18-2021 09:54 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
I think JP is jumping the gun a bit by calling it the new cap. 180 is the new floor, up from 175, but not the final cap yet.

skinsfaninok 02-18-2021 09:55 AM

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[quote=MTK;1277631]I think JP is jumping the gun a bit by calling it the new cap. 180 is the new floor, up from 175, but not the final cap yet.[/quote]

The Eagles are fucked lmao

mooby 02-18-2021 11:07 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277632]The Eagles are fucked lmao[/quote]

The real question is lube or no lube? Tough choices to make for them if it is 180.

MissouriSkin 02-18-2021 11:22 AM

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[quote=mooby;1277638]The real question is lube or no lube? Tough choices to make for them if it is 180.[/quote]

Itís the Eagles. I always hope the get it dry and hard.

skinsfaninok 02-18-2021 11:52 AM

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Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
@mortreport
and me.

Ruhskins 02-18-2021 11:55 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277645]Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell
@mortreport
and me.[/quote]

Additional details from Albert Breer:

[url]https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1362445501761732612[/url]

skinsfaninok 02-18-2021 11:57 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
If that's all they got for Wentz, Mariota is only worth a 4th or 5th

sdskinsfan2001 02-18-2021 12:07 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
Wentz is going to start there. So it's a 3rd this year and a 1st next year, unless he gets hurt.

I actually think even a 3rd and a 2nd is too much, even if it doesn't become a 1st, especially considering his contract.

Chief X_Phackter 02-18-2021 12:18 PM

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Considering his injury history, and the awful year he had last year, it sure seems like a lot to give up. I mean the Eagles couldn't afford to keep them anyway right?

Ruhskins 02-18-2021 12:19 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277649]Considering his injury history, and the awful year he had last year, it sure seems like a lot to give up. I mean the Eagles couldn't afford to keep them anyway right?[/quote]

It was the other way around. I am waiting to hear the financial details, but the Iggles are taking a huge financial hit in trading him.

Pervis_Griffith 02-18-2021 12:35 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1277650]It was the other way around. I am waiting to hear the financial details, [B]but the Iggles are taking a huge financial hit in trading him[/B].[/quote]


That's a damn shame. :D

FrenchSkin 02-18-2021 12:53 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277649]Considering his injury history, and the awful year he had last year, it sure seems like a lot to give up. I mean the Eagles couldn't afford to keep them anyway right?[/quote]

I agree, I don't see how the Eagles could've expected more for him. Basically if he starts 3/4 of the season they get a 1st and a 3rd for their back up with an awful injury history...

Now if it works out for him long term in Indy, the Colts made a very good trade too. But I really don't see how the Eagles could've gotten more...

MTK 02-18-2021 12:54 PM

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Pretty crazy how the Eagles went from SB champs to hottest mess of the division so quickly.

Chief X_Phackter 02-18-2021 12:58 PM

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[quote=MTK;1277655]Pretty crazy how the Eagles went from SB champs to hottest mess of the division so quickly.[/quote]

No doubt.

Glad someone else took those reigns.

skinsfan69 02-18-2021 02:19 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
Eagles are really going w/ Hurts? lol.

At this point Wentz isn't any better than Brissett.

Chief X_Phackter 02-18-2021 02:33 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277650]It was the other way around. I am waiting to hear the financial details, but the Iggles are taking a huge financial hit in trading him.[/quote]

Wow you are right!

Per Keim:

The Eagles will carry a $33.8 million dead-money cap charge for Carson Wentz in 2021. That will be the largest dead money charge in NFL history. Previous record would have been the $22.2 million the Rams will carry this year for Jared Goff.

sdskinsfan2001 02-18-2021 03:40 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277660]Wow you are right!

Per Keim:

The Eagles will carry a $33.8 million dead-money cap charge for Carson Wentz in 2021. That will be the largest dead money charge in NFL history. Previous record would have been the $22.2 million the Rams will carry this year for Jared Goff.[/quote]

Does that mean their payroll will have to be like 146 million this year? How does that work? Gonna have to cut like half their team if that's the case.

simbosargos75 02-18-2021 07:19 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
Glad we dodged that bullet.

Completely ridiculous trade by the Colts.

simbosargos75 02-18-2021 07:20 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1277647]If that's all they got for Wentz, Mariota is only worth a 4th or 5th[/quote]


Way more than they should've gotten.

I wouldn't want Wentz for free given his contract.

Ruhskins 02-18-2021 07:56 PM

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[QUOTE=simbosargos75;1277670]Glad we dodged that bullet.



Completely ridiculous trade by the Colts.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure we weren't seriously interested in Wentz.

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simbosargos75 02-18-2021 08:54 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1277676]I'm pretty sure we weren't seriously interested in Wentz.

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Even better. Shows they're paying attention.

SkinzWin 02-19-2021 12:58 AM

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[quote=simbosargos75;1277671]Way more than they should've gotten.

I wouldn't want Wentz for free given his contract.[/quote]

Carson Wentz PFF Grade/rank by year:

2016 - 69.9 (21st)
2017 - 84.9 (5th)
2018 - 79.4 (14th)
2019 - 76.5 (14th)
2020 - 65.0 (31st)

Dude had one above average year. You know why? Mindset and work ethic. There are a lot of Eagles players and coaches who have come out publicly to say that Wentz doesnít take accountability for poor in field decisions he has made, deflects blame to teammates, and doesnít make an effort to do the little things coaches have asked him to do. Heís a major tool. Colts overpaid and are going to see a Foles 2.0 scenario next season.

Ruhskins 02-19-2021 10:15 AM

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277684]Carson Wentz PFF Grade/rank by year:

2016 - 69.9 (21st)
2017 - 84.9 (5th)
2018 - 79.4 (14th)
2019 - 76.5 (14th)
2020 - 65.0 (31st)

Dude had one above average year. You know why? Mindset and work ethic. There are a lot of Eagles players and coaches who have come out publicly to say that Wentz doesnít take accountability for poor in field decisions he has made, deflects blame to teammates, and doesnít make an effort to do the little things coaches have asked him to do. Heís a major tool. Colts overpaid and are going to see a Foles 2.0 scenario next season.[/quote]

This is news to me, but I don't follow the Iggles. Not to excuse Wentz, but to me it seems that the team, after their Super Bowl win, never put any good pieces around Wentz. Their WRs, TE, and OL is very old and should have been replaced a long time ago. When your WR2 is DJax, you are in trouble.

That being said, it would not surprise me at all what you just said, given the crazy regression he went through this year.

skinsfaninok 02-19-2021 10:34 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
"The Eagles with Hurts are better than WFT and NYG" Ryan cLARK

lol ok

MTK 02-19-2021 10:40 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1277721]"The Eagles with Hurts are better than WFT and NYG" Ryan cLARK

lol ok[/quote]

Dumb take of the day

EdmundDorf 02-19-2021 10:59 AM

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Betting lines say they are too.... somebody is high

Chief X_Phackter 02-19-2021 11:01 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
LOL, what is he smoking?

Small sample size, but:

1-3 W/L record
52% completion percentage
6 TDs / 4 INTs
41.0 QBR

Yeah, he's been awesome.

AnonEmouse 02-19-2021 11:06 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277721]"The Eagles with Hurts are better than WFT and NYG" Ryan cLARK

lol ok[/QUOTE]

At what? Results suggest it's not at football...

skinsfaninok 02-19-2021 11:06 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
ESPN shows just say shit without any real substance... Like how the hell is Philly a better team than Washington??

MissouriSkin 02-19-2021 11:26 AM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277733]ESPN shows just say shit without any real substance... Like how the hell is Philly a better team than Washington??[/quote]

And they havenít cut half their team to get under the cap. And a new coach that seriously should not be a head coach. 🤷*♂️

Chief X_Phackter 02-19-2021 11:32 AM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
No NFC East was really "good" last year. Each team had their own issues, and somebody had to win that division. In my opinion the best team won.

Ryan Clark, that's just a dumb thing to say.

Philly will be trash next season, and it won't matter who the QB is.

Dallas has too many holes to plug to be in the mix next year.

WFT and NYG will probably be two teams competing for the Division title next year, and if WFT manages to 'fix' the QB position and add on defense, they are the best team.

AnonEmouse 02-19-2021 12:29 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
Marvin Jones is pretty much saying he's out of Detroit. Assuming they do go ahead and tag Golladay, is he a viable option if we can't get a better FA like Robinson? 31yo but still capable...

mooby 02-19-2021 12:39 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1277733]ESPN shows just say shit without any real substance... Like how the hell is Philly a better team than Washington??[/quote]

Amazing how all of you fell for it. One guy puts a hot take out there and immediately 5 of you are talking about what a dumb take it is, ESPN played you all for suckers. How exactly do you quantify if Philly has a better team than DC at this exact point in time? It's a question that can only be answered with opinions.

Chief X_Phackter 02-19-2021 01:05 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=mooby;1277759]Amazing how all of you fell for it. One guy puts a hot take out there and immediately 5 of you are talking about what a dumb take it is, ESPN played you all for suckers. How exactly do you quantify if Philly has a better team than DC at this exact point in time? It's a question that can only be answered with opinions.[/quote]

That's one way to look at it.

Chief X_Phackter 02-19-2021 01:15 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=mooby;1277759]Amazing how all of you fell for it. One guy puts a hot take out there and immediately 5 of you are talking about what a dumb take it is, ESPN played you all for suckers. How exactly do you quantify if Philly has a better team than DC at this exact point in time? It's a question that can only be answered with opinions.[/quote]

Here's how you quantify it.

[B]2020: WFT 2, PHI 0[/B]

[B]Head Coach: WFT > PHI
QB: WFT > PHI
RBs: WFT > PHI
WRs: WFT > PHI[/B]
TE: WFT < PHI
[B]O-line: WFT > PHI
D-line: WFT > PHI
LBs: WFT > PHI
Secondary: WFT > PHI

Salary Cap: WFT > PHI[/B]

EdmundDorf 02-19-2021 01:57 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=AnonEmouse;1277758]Marvin Jones is pretty much saying he's out of Detroit. Assuming they do go ahead and tag Golladay, is he a viable option if we can't get a better FA like Robinson? 31yo but still capable...[/quote]

Wants to get paid and play for a contender to quote him from PFT, I don't think RR will pay a 31 yr old WR top dollar and we don't have the QB he will want

mooby 02-20-2021 08:31 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277765]Here's how you quantify it.

[B]2020: WFT 2, PHI 0[/B]

[B]Head Coach: WFT > PHI
QB: WFT > PHI
RBs: WFT > PHI
WRs: WFT > PHI[/B]
TE: WFT < PHI
[B]O-line: WFT > PHI
D-line: WFT > PHI
LBs: WFT > PHI
Secondary: WFT > PHI

Salary Cap: WFT > PHI[/B][/quote]

You're putting too much effort into this. Exactly one month from today, both teams could look very different.

MissouriSkin 02-20-2021 08:54 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=mooby;1277798]You're putting too much effort into this. Exactly one month from today, both teams could look very different.[/quote]

I donít think putting that comparison together took much effort. Itís pretty obvious and when the teams look different in a month, we will look a lot better than they do.

Pervis_Griffith 02-20-2021 09:32 PM

Re: Around the NFL: NFL Offseason
 
[quote=MissouriSkin;1277799]I donít think putting that comparison together took much effort. Itís pretty obvious and when the teams look different in a month, we will look a lot better than they do.[/quote]


Yeah ... Iggles are fucked next year. Year after that? Their cap will look brighter.


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