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Figured he should get his own thread, I'm excited for this offense and for Fitz. He's played some great ball over the last couple seasons. If he can just manage to throw for 25 TDs this team will win plenty.

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I think he will have a breakout year. Obviously, we have to see on the field, but like was said, his last 3 years have shown steady play and improved completion %. He was also rated higher than any of our qbs last year (not hard to do) so it will be an upgrade, the question is the degree


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Well technically this is Fitzmagic thread 2.0

I definitely think he could have a big year, I'm excited until he gives us a reason not to be. He seems like a natural leader and guys will want to play hard for him.

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There is a reason for his longevity in the league and yes a reason he is on his 9th team. What he brings versus his cost is a no brainer to me. Looking forward to some exiting games this year.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1284340]There is a reason for his longevity in the league.[/QUOTE]


The dude abides.

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Honeymoon phase w/ Fitz. The minute he throws a few multiple int games the fanbase will stroke out.

Got mad respect for Fitz through. He has managed to hang around the league for a long time w/ average at best ability.

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I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.

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[quote=Daseal;1284348]I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, [B]I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense[/B] and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.[/quote]

With all due respect, I agree. Glad he retired.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;1284348]I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.



That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.[/QUOTE]I am curious. In people's opinion what was the most talented team Fitzpatrick was on? What about his game, other than ints, leads to not succeeding?



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284360]I am curious. In people's opinion what was the most talented team Fitzpatrick was on? What about his game, other than ints, leads to not succeeding?



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By record, it's the 2015 Jets who were 10-6! Just under 4,000 yards with 31TD/15INT. WRS were Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Jeremy Kerley and a RBBC.

He's been on bad teams...the Rams, Bengals, Bills, Titans, Texans, Jets, Bucs and Dolphins. Talent-wise, OUR TEAM is the best roster he's ever been on.

He seems to have gotten better with age and the last 3 years, his completion % were 67, 26, 69%. Last season looks like his best and he was benched for the rookie just because it was "his time".

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[quote=Monkeydad;1284361]By record, it's the 2015 Jets who were 10-6! Just under 4,000 yards with 31TD/15INT. WRS were Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Jeremy Kerley and a RBBC.

He's been on bad teams...the Rams, Bengals, Bills, Titans, Texans, Jets, Bucs and Dolphins. Talent-wise, OUR TEAM is the best roster he's ever been on.

He seems to have gotten better with age and the last 3 years, his completion % were 67, 26, 69%. Last season looks like his best and he was benched for the rookie just because it was "his time".[/quote]

In terms of complete teams (with a defense) you may be right. But he's had a lot of offensive talent in his career.

Bucs: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Adam Humphries and DeSean Jackson
Bengals: Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh
Texans: DeAndre Hopkins, Andre Johnson and Arian Foster.
Jets: Robby Anderson, Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte.
Titans: Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Justin Hunter, Nate Washington, Kendall Wright, Delaine Walker
Bills: C.J. Spiller, Chirs Hogan, and Stevie Johnson

I think we have better talent than some of these. But all of his teams have had some really solid talent on offense, but he's never even made the playoffs. When it comes to what he does wrong, general gist is throws too many interceptions and has a problem playing smart with a lead.

Again, I hope that I'm wrong and he lights it up. That said, this is his 17th year in the league, he has never made the playoffs, and he's played for 9 different teams. Good QBs don't bounce around like that. While I woulda liked to give Henicke a chance, I understand wanting a veteran stop gap. I think Fitz will be exciting, but will make us all pull our hair out. I think he probably loses us 2 games with his play, what I can't make a guess at is how many he wins with his gunslinging.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;1284373]In terms of complete teams (with a defense) you may be right. But he's had a lot of offensive talent in his career.



Bucs: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Adam Humphries and DeSean Jackson

Bengals: Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh

Texans: DeAndre Hopkins, Andre Johnson and Arian Foster.

Jets: Robby Anderson, Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte.

Titans: Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Justin Hunter, Nate Washington, Kendall Wright, Delaine Walker

Bills: C.J. Spiller, Chirs Hogan, and Stevie Johnson



I think we have better talent than some of these. But all of his teams have had some really solid talent on offense, but he's never even made the playoffs. When it comes to what he does wrong, general gist is throws too many interceptions and has a problem playing smart with a lead.



Again, I hope that I'm wrong and he lights it up. That said, this is his 17th year in the league, he has never made the playoffs, and he's played for 9 different teams. Good QBs don't bounce around like that. While I woulda liked to give Henicke a chance, I understand wanting a veteran stop gap. I think Fitz will be exciting, but will make us all pull our hair out. I think he probably loses us 2 games with his play, what I can't make a guess at is how many he wins with his gunslinging.[/QUOTE]

So the main issue is his interceptions, and forcing plays with a lead?

I definitely agree on ints, over his career he basically has been a 1 td vs 1 int guy. I don't know about playing smart with a lead, seems that will be on Turner to manage and make sure the offense doesn't overthink the situations. I am not sure I trust Turner with that either.

All that said, if our defense can protect the lead and bailout even a quarter of the ints, we should see an explosive offense to go with a stifling defense. Looking forward to see it play out that way.

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Pretty sweet situation for RF when you think about it. No highly touted rookie looking over his shoulder, a potential dominant defense, and some nice weapons to work with. He has the chance to change the narrative of his career from journeyman to possible late career hero like a Rich Gannon type.

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[quote=MTK;1284377]Pretty sweet situation for RF when you think about it. No highly touted rookie looking over his shoulder, a potential dominant defense, and some nice weapons to work with. He has the chance to change the narrative of his career from journeyman to possible late career hero like a Rich Gannon type.[/quote]

Would be nice but his instincts with throwing picks have repeatedly bitten him over the course of his career. One week he'll throw an amazing pass with his facemask being held to win the game, the next he'll throw 4 picks. It's nature's way. We're just going to have to take the good with the bad, and hope it's more of the former than the latter.

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This is what I hope is a foreshadowing of our upcoming season, Fitzpatrick's passer rating 154.5:

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Of course the game before he had a passer rating of 66.4 with 2 INTs and a rushing TD, still he looked pretty good, and if the defense holds tough, they maybe pull it out. That will be the key in these type games.
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[quote=MTK;1284377]Pretty sweet situation for RF when you think about it. No highly touted rookie looking over his shoulder, a potential dominant defense, and some nice weapons to work with. He has the chance to change the narrative of his career from journeyman to possible late career hero like a Rich Gannon type.[/quote]


AND ... maybe most importantly ... [B]not being on a team where he HAD to force things [/B]in order to put his team in position for the win.

With our D, we should be in every game we play. That should make it much easier for RF to just let the game come to him, taking deep shots that are open, and not putting the ball up for grabs in an effort to "make that winning play".

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[quote=Daseal;1284348]I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.[/quote]

Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284388]Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.[/quote]

Gutsy af…but dude was done.

But watching Dwayne Haskins was worst. Fuckin Snyder…

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284388]Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.[/quote]

Alex was a good QB but last yr was a disaster. Other than the Pittsburgh game I thought he looked awful in most starts. Fitz is old but he's also a gun slinger that still has a decent enough arm to scare a defense. The offense will be night and day from last yr

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[quote=MTK;1284377]Pretty sweet situation for RF when you think about it. No highly touted rookie looking over his shoulder, a potential dominant defense, and some nice weapons to work with. He has the chance to change the narrative of his career from journeyman to possible late career hero like a Rich Gannon type.[/quote]

That's a great comparison for him, and if he stays healthy and has a good year I could even see him playing 1 more in 2022

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284376]So the main issue is his interceptions, and forcing plays with a lead?

I definitely agree on ints, over his career he basically has been a 1 td vs 1 int guy. [/quote]

I keep hearing that but his stats don't back that story up.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm[/url]

223 TDs/169 INTs

Yes he does throw INTs and had a couple of years where they were close to even, but most of his career that's not the case.

Playing a Brett Favre style, INTs are going to happen. In fact, he has the SAME TD:INT ratio as Favre over his career.

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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1284417]I keep hearing that but his stats don't back that story up.



[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm[/url]



223 TDs/169 INTs



Yes he does throw INTs and had a couple of years where they were close to even, but most of his career that's not the case.



Playing a Brett Favre style, INTs are going to happen. In fact, he has the SAME TD:INT ratio as Favre over his career.[/QUOTE]He had a 4 year stretch where 3 of the 4 years his ints were more than his tds. Last year in the first 6 games he had 2 where he threw multiple ints no tds, and 3 where he threw multiple tds and no ints and 1 with 3 tds and 2 ints.

I am really hopeful that the good Fitz comes and I expect he will but I guess I get some of the hesitations.

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The fun has begun.



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We have to keep his interceptions in perspective though, it's definitely still an issue for him. Very few QBs in the NFL actually have a 1 to 1 touchdown to interception ratio and still keep their jobs.

Carson Wentz last year was horrible, he threw 16 TDs to 15 INTs. Hurts ended up getting a chance to play. Danny Dimes threw 11 TDs to 10 INTs. Nick Mullens was 12 TDs to 12 INTs, partial year starter. And Sam Darnold on one of the worst teams went 9 TDs to 11 INTs.

So if your ratio is 1-1 that's pretty terrible. Fitz threw 10 TDs and 8 INTs last year in half a season. We can't make him out to be a guy whose turnover troubles are behind him.

That said, he'll still be 20 times more capable than Alex and Dwayne. If you combined their stats last year, they were 11 TDs and 15 INTs. That would have been the worst in the NFL. And that's the whole point - when capable is a major upgrade, it tells you a) how good the defense was last year and b) we have reason to be reasonably excited this year.

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I'm not worried about the INTs. They're going to happen. Our QBs last year threw a ton of picks with a conservative passing game. Now we have a big downfield threat.

With the elite WRs we have in McLaurin, Samuel and Brown along with Gibson, Thomas, McKissic around him, they'll make MORE big plays than not. They can go get some bad throws too.

Sure there will be mistakes by Fitz, but he'll hit on more big plays than any Redskins QB since...maybe Mark Rypien?

Risk and reward.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1284459]I'm not worried about the INTs. They're going to happen. Our QBs last year threw a ton of picks with a conservative passing game. Now we have a big downfield threat.

With the elite WRs we have in McLaurin, Samuel and Brown along with Gibson, Thomas, McKissic around him, they'll make MORE big plays than not. They can go get some bad throws too.

Sure there will be mistakes by Fitz, but he'll hit on more big plays than any Redskins QB since...maybe Mark Rypien?

Risk and reward.[/quote]

Cousins hit on a bunch of deep balls, we forget how good he was

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1284471]Cousins hit on a bunch of deep balls, we forget how good he was[/quote]

Except when it really mattered?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1284471]Cousins hit on a bunch of deep balls, we forget how good he was[/quote]

Agree my mind went to Cousins, and before that Brad Johnson for the Michael Westbrook / Albert Connell season. Though I don't know if the one season counts. Good job Dan Snyder.

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Brunell to Moss hit on quite a few deep balls too. Seems like ages ago.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1284471]cousins hit on a bunch of deep balls, we forget how good he was[/quote]

lmao

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1284485]Except when it really mattered?[/quote]

well we didn't say that lol

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I don't want to get into another Kirk discussion, I just find it funny that fans will scoff at his time here, meanwhile we've had absolute garbage QB play since he left and still don't have a long term answer. He still owns a bunch of passing records here and likely will for a long time.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1284485]Except when it really mattered?[/quote]

That offense in 15 and 16 put up tons of points that was one of the worst defenses in the league though

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284509]That offense in 15 and 16 put up tons of points that was one of the worst defenses in the league though[/quote]

We could have been dangerous with just an average defense

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Kirk took the Vikings to the playoffs 2 years ago and beat a favored Saints team with clutch throws. He's a good QB, Can't knock him

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1284515]Kirk took the Vikings to the playoffs 2 years ago and beat a favored Saints team with clutch throws. He's a good QB, Can't knock him[/QUOTE]KC is an above average qb that can put up stats but can't lead a team. Never has, and never will.

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