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sdskinsfan2001 05-28-2021 03:05 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1284515]Kirk took the Vikings to the playoffs 2 years ago and beat a favored Saints team with clutch throws. He's a good QB, Can't knock him[/quote]

Oh yes I can lol.

Monkeydad 05-28-2021 03:11 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=MTK;1284506]I don't want to get into another Kirk discussion, I just find it funny that fans will scoff at his time here, meanwhile we've had absolute garbage QB play since he left and still don't have a long term answer. He still owns a bunch of passing records here and likely will for a long time.[/quote]

He play was not the problem, it's his selfish jackassery exit.

Yeah they all want to maximize their earnings, but taking 2 tags with no intention of ever negotiating with the team isn't helping your team win.

MTK 05-28-2021 03:25 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=Monkeydad;1284518]He play was not the problem, it's his selfish jackassery exit.

Yeah they all want to maximize their earnings, but taking 2 tags with no intention of ever negotiating with the team isn't helping your team win.[/quote]

Goes both ways, Bruce gave him a ridiculous low ball offer that showed he clearly undervalued Kirk. And once it became obvious Kirk had no intention of resigning here, Bruce should have shipped him out of here ASAP even if it meant doing business with Kyle in SF.

JoeRedskin 05-28-2021 05:06 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
KC was, is, and always will be just as much a diva as RGIII ever was. Friend of mine who is a Minnesota fan describes the KC debates the Vikings fandom have over him; they are exactly the same ones we used to have (and, apparently, are having again). Ultimately, I just don't think you win with him and am glad we moved on.


Bring on the FitzMagic. I think this offense is going to be equal parts fun and frustrating.

Schneed10 05-28-2021 07:59 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;1284530]KC was, is, and always will be just as much a diva as RGIII ever was. Friend of mine who is a Minnesota fan describes the KC debates the Vikings fandom have over him; they are exactly the same ones we used to have (and, apparently, are having again). Ultimately, I just don't think you win with him and am glad we moved on.


Bring on the FitzMagic. I think this offense is going to be equal parts fun and frustrating.[/quote]

Well said, 1 part fun Qb, 1 part frustrating QB, and 1 part dominating defense can be a good recipe.

skinsfan69 05-29-2021 06:48 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=Monkeydad;1284518]He play was not the problem, it's his selfish jackassery exit.

Yeah they all want to maximize their earnings, but taking 2 tags with no intention of ever negotiating with the team isn't helping your team win.[/quote]

And what would you have done if you were Cousins? I guess you would have signed the crappy contract that Brice offered.

MissouriSkin 05-29-2021 08:17 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1284536]And what would you have done if you were Cousins? I guess you would have signed the crappy contract that Brice offered.[/quote]

Never mind.

MTK 06-08-2021 09:02 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/08/washington-qb-coach-ken-zampese-raves-about-ryan-fitzpatrick/"]Washington QB coach Ken Zampese raves about Ryan Fitzpatrick[/URL]

GridIron26 06-08-2021 09:10 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
I really hope Turner will borrow some stuff from Chan Gailey (the offense coordinator for Miami in the last 2 years) - Fitzpatrick played really well in the last 2 years and had a career year in Buffalo when Gailey was the offense coordinator.

MTK 06-08-2021 09:15 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
I thought Turner did a great job last year at crafting the offense around the talent in the lineup vs saying hey here's my offense now go run it like Jay did.

GridIron26 06-08-2021 10:46 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
^ Yes that's true, also 1 year experience as OC will benefit Turner and all offense players.. Nonetheless, I'm staying in wait and see mode with Fitzpatrick so that way I won't be disappointed if it doesn't work out.

Ruhskins 06-08-2021 12:37 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Xq9FVWYA08cxV?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

sdskinsfan2001 06-08-2021 12:42 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1284809][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Xq9FVWYA08cxV?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

That's hilarious. This is going to be a fun season. He is going to win a Super Bowl then ride off into the sunset.

CRedskinsRule 06-08-2021 02:59 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1284809][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Xq9FVWYA08cxV?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

He doesn't look happy. There is one of Terry who looks like a elementary school kid coming back with all the joy in the world!

Meks 06-08-2021 05:05 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
Kids aren't usually happy on the first day of school I think this is done ironically

CRedskinsRule 06-08-2021 05:09 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[QUOTE=Meks;1284820]Kids aren't usually happy on the first day of school I think this is done ironically[/QUOTE]That's kinda how I meant it, not like he is actually upset for having to hold the sign but like the one kid who was back at school and not happy.

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AnonEmouse 06-08-2021 05:28 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
He's 38 and it's his 1st day of school. Would you be happy? :D

skinsfan69 06-08-2021 06:04 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
How can you not like Fitz?

CRedskinsRule 06-08-2021 07:17 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1284822]He's 38 and it's his 1st day of school. Would you be happy? :D[/QUOTE][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] nope

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rocnrik 06-09-2021 07:01 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
This team is shaping up to be a lot like the Ravens super bowl team with Dilfer... great D and good enough Offense .. one can hope

CRedskinsRule 06-09-2021 09:03 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=rocnrik;1284837]This team is shaping up to be a lot like the Ravens super bowl team with Dilfer... great D and good enough Offense .. one can hope[/quote]

If Fitz develops a connection with either Terry or Samuels, this team's offense will be more than good enough, it will be explosive. Especially against the division.

I admit I wasn't thrilled about having the division games back loaded, but by the time the division stretch starts this team may be forged into a division sweeping machine.

And as a side note, it sounds like Heinicke has upped his game also. Rivera gave him some good words about making plays, and knowing when plays aren't there.

MissouriSkin 06-09-2021 09:29 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=AnonEmouse;1284822]He's 38 and it's his 1st day of school. Would you be happy? :D[/quote]

I would be. 2 classes away from my 3rd Masters Degree. 🤓

skinsfan69 06-09-2021 09:51 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=rocnrik;1284837]This team is shaping up to be a lot like the Ravens super bowl team with Dilfer... great D and good enough Offense .. one can hope[/quote]

our defense is no where near as good as that one was. not even close. maybe we can hopefully get there but based on last season and the last game it just isn't anywhere near on that level.

SunnySide 06-09-2021 10:13 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
I dont know ... I have some reservations with how Fitz will fit and compliment our team. I was kinda on board with ball control offense, with using multiple weapons within 10 yards of LOS, making those high percentage plays that are designed to pick up 5 yards but in the hands of a Gibson/McKissic could go for 15 plus.

That if our O didnt turn the ball over and an O that can ball control .. our opponent might only get 8 or less possessions a game.

On the flip side ... its a chunk yardage game which we did horribly at and its probably stupid to try and play 1990 football in 2021.

I just hope Fitz can take what the D and play design is and not start passing up on guaranteed 5 yard gains for a bunch of 50/50 balls down field.

Fitz needs to balance himself and im not sure if he is that type of guy. We dont need him skipping/rushing the primary read bc he wants to get to that 3rd read down field.

we dont need quick 3 and outs. if we dont give our opponents short fields. If we limit our opponents to 8 possessions, they might get 17 points at most on a good day.

CRedskinsRule 06-09-2021 10:20 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1284847]our defense is no where near as good as that one was. not even close. maybe we can hopefully get there but based on last season and the last game it just isn't anywhere near on that level.[/quote]
The defense is going to take a step up this season. The changes that were made were tailored to the needs and what were good but weak last year this year are going to be strengths.

William Jackson vs Moreau not even close. And what that will do for the back end, JDavis will do for the LB's. I know it has to prove itself on the field, AND it will get tested early and often, but this won't be a bend but don't break defense this will be a hit em hard and hit em often defense.

And it should be, we have 5 #1 draft picks in our front 7, they all are in their prime production years, they seem to have a real comraderie, and the coaching on the defensive side knows how to use good players.

The full offseason/training camp will be HUGE.

CRedskinsRule 06-09-2021 10:23 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
I put the offense on Scott Turner. He has the horses. He has to call a better game ESPECIALLY in the first quarter! We were miserable last year in the first 20 minutes of the games.

punch it in 06-09-2021 10:31 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1284853]I put the offense on Scott Turner. He has the horses. He has to call a better game ESPECIALLY in the first quarter! We were miserable last year in the first 20 minutes of the games.[/QUOTE]


His playcalling bordered on awful last year. You have to adjust according to who your horses are. Last year he did not do that. He was just calling plays and was oblivious to the fact that he did not have the horses. This year he will probably get conservative. Lol.

CRedskinsRule 06-09-2021 11:17 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=punch it in;1284854]His playcalling bordered on awful last year. You have to adjust according to who your horses are. Last year he did not do that. He was just calling plays and was oblivious to the fact that he did not have the horses. This year he will probably get conservative. Lol.[/quote]

Turner was the opposite of Gruden. He couldn't plan the start of a game for anything, but seemed good at in-game and halftime adjustments. We can't spot teams 14 to 20 points because the defense is put in terrible positions early and expect the defense to get to the next level. They have to know that for every 1 FitzTragic event, the offense will create time and plays that gives the defense time to set and demolish.

Pervis_Griffith 06-09-2021 02:50 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
I am more bullish on the upcoming season after reading breakdowns on our defensive personnel, and the history of Rivera and Del Rio.

The biggest difference for the D this year will be forcing itself on the offense, instead of a bending-not-breaking approach that was employed last year. With that kind of Defense, your Offense can be more than just a ball control kind of attack.

And the offense has certainly added weapons all over the place, and beefed up the O-Line with versatile, relatively young, personnel.

[B]Honestly ... this team could be way better than we're afraid to admit right now. We as fans are fighting 20 years of bad-football-PTSD, but if the pieces fall the way they look like they've been picked to do, this could be a special year[/B].

CRedskinsRule 06-09-2021 06:42 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1284871]I am more bullish on the upcoming season after reading breakdowns on our defensive personnel, and the history of Rivera and Del Rio.



The biggest difference for the D this year will be forcing itself on the offense, instead of a bending-not-breaking approach that was employed last year. With that kind of Defense, your Offense can be more than just a ball control kind of attack.



And the offense has certainly added weapons all over the place, and beefed up the O-Line with versatile, relatively young, personnel.



[B]Honestly ... this team could be way better than we're afraid to admit right now. We as fans are fighting 20 years of bad-football-PTSD, but if the pieces fall the way they look like they've been picked to do, this could be a special year[/B].[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. We all know it comes down to execution but across every level on this team there are top performers or rising stars. The energy and Rivera's get it done attitude seem to be overwhelmingly present. I do love that the team will get tested by a LOT of the elite qbs and defenses. IF they come together this could be a very special year.

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MissouriSkin 06-09-2021 07:13 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=punch it in;1284854]His playcalling bordered on awful last year. You have to adjust according to who your horses are. Last year he did not do that. He was just calling plays and was oblivious to the fact that he did not have the horses. This year he will probably get conservative. Lol.[/quote]

So I donít mean this in a snarky way, Iím genuinely asking.....so what would your plan be with the worst starting QB play in the league...only one NFL caliber receiver....the only worthwhile TE on the roster is a converted QB....your OL starts Geron Christian and Wes Martin....and your best RB is a rookie with no training camp or offseason and was a WR 6 months earlier....whatís your plan? Honestly Iím amazed we did as well as we did. I think youíll see a much better and well designed offense this year.

Chief X_Phackter 06-09-2021 07:37 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=MissouriSkin;1284883]So I donít mean this in a snarky way, Iím genuinely asking.....so what would your plan be with the worst starting QB play in the league...only one NFL caliber receiver....the only worthwhile TE on the roster is a converted QB....your OL starts Geron Christian and Wes Martin....and your best RB is a rookie with no training camp or offseason and was a WR 6 months earlier....whatís your plan? Honestly Iím amazed we did as well as we did. I think youíll see a much better and well designed offense this year.[/quote]

This is exactly how I see it.

It's pretty obvious that Turner did adjust his offense last year, due to what he had (or didn't have) at his disposal. He was pretty handcuffed for the better part of the season, and it is amazing they had any success at all really.

This year the talent at every position group on offense is improved, more healthy, and will have a full offseason to prepare.

He will have no excuses.

punch it in 06-10-2021 09:00 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1284883]So I donít mean this in a snarky way, Iím genuinely asking.....so what would your plan be with the worst starting QB play in the league...only one NFL caliber receiver....the only worthwhile TE on the roster is a converted QB....your OL starts Geron Christian and Wes Martin....and your best RB is a rookie with no training camp or offseason and was a WR 6 months earlier....whatís your plan? Honestly Iím amazed we did as well as we did. I think youíll see a much better and well designed offense this year.[/QUOTE]


Completely was behind the 8 ball as far as talent. Said that myself. But I just feel like he could have simplified things. I understand that is not a recipe for success but with our defense last year we just needed to be semi efficient on offense and he was calling plays like he was the 99 Rams. Idk. Im certainly willing to see what he can do this year. As for what would I have done Ö well Ö idk. Lol. Im not an OC in the NFL. I just remember not liking his play calls based on our offense and the situations. Because when you have lemons you need to make lemonade. He made shit-ade.

MissouriSkin 06-10-2021 09:10 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=punch it in;1284910]Completely was behind the 8 ball as far as talent. Said that myself. But I just feel like he could have simplified things. I understand that is not a recipe for success but with our defense last year we just needed to be semi efficient on offense and he was calling plays like he was the 99 Rams. Idk. Im certainly willing to see what he can do this year. As for what would I have done Ö well Ö idk. Lol. Im not an OC in the NFL. I just remember not liking his play calls based on our offense and the situations. Because when you have lemons you need to make lemonade. He made shit-ade.[/quote]

Iím pretty sure that had more to do with Haskins being totally worthless than anything else.

Monkeydad 06-24-2021 10:28 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
Madden 2006 - Fitz' debut.


[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4fPhJPXMAAFpJi?format=png&name=900x900[/img]

AnonEmouse 06-24-2021 12:29 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
He does look a lot younger there...

irish 06-29-2021 12:24 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=MissouriSkin;1284913]Iím pretty sure that had more to do with Haskins being totally worthless than anything else.[/quote]

Its still too early to decide if Haskins is worthless as it is to decide if Heinicke
is great. The sample size of games played is just too small.

Meks 06-29-2021 12:40 PM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=irish;1285396]Its still too early to decide if Haskins is worthless as it is to decide if Heinicke
is great. The sample size of games played is just too small.[/quote]

His playing time here last year was useless. As I re phrase for em

irish 06-30-2021 07:28 AM

Re: Fitzmagic thread
 
[quote=Meks;1285397]His playing time here last year was useless. As I re phrase for em[/quote]

I agree with that, he was useless.

When I look at the stats, Haskins is a seasoned vet (16 games, 13 starts, in 2 seasons) compared to Heinicke (8 games, 1 start, in 3 seasons). One can begin to draw conclusions about Haskins. Heinicke has barely played so its impossible to figure out what he is.


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