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mooby 01-24-2021 12:23 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
As much as I like Stafford, it's hard for me to justify giving up at least our first this year plus additional picks for a guy who is on the wrong side of 30.

If we were assured to get 5+ years out of him I wouldn't have an issue, but we've had pretty terrible luck trading for qb's on the wrong side of 30 recently.

On the flip side, qb is the most important position and without a good qb your chances are nil of going anywhere in the playoffs. So it's easy to see why the price is so high.

I say do it, but I have reservations about the deal. If for some reason something bad happens and he has a serious injury we basically are back to square one for the next year or two (but with the bonus of having Heinicke as the backup).

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 12:36 AM

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I hadn't considered the Steelers but he would be a great fit there too. The poll came from a yahoo sports article.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/6d4240b3d9eca055ef73b55fe4955aeb.jpg[/IMG]

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rocnrik 01-24-2021 12:43 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
Iím in !!!

SkinzWin 01-24-2021 12:44 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275141]I hadn't considered the Steelers but he would be a great fit there too. The poll came from a yahoo sports article.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/6d4240b3d9eca055ef73b55fe4955aeb.jpg[/IMG]

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I do not see the Patriots being an option with Patricia back. That experiment was a shit show.

EARTHQUAKE2689 01-24-2021 12:48 AM

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[quote=Daseal;1275119]I'll be the odd man out here. I don't want Stafford. He's likely more talented than anyone on our roster - [B]but he's on the wrong side of 30,[/B] is a perennial loser even with pretty decent offensive weapons, and would have us giving up draft capital to get him. Not everyone is Tom Brady that can play until they're 40, especially a player that hasn't proven they can elevate the talent around them.

I think we saw during the playoffs we're way more than just a QB away from being a perennial competitor. Henicke had an exceptional game in the playoffs that still wasn't able to bring it home, largely due to large gaps with our LBs, WRs, and DBs.

Honestly, I'm okay seeing what we have in Henicke and Allen this season at QB - or going after a younger vet that would take less/no draft capital (Mariotta, Dak, etc.) while building up the team around. If those players do poorly this year, start looking to being aggressive in the draft for a long-term answer.[/quote]


Tannehill is also 32 and looked outstanding in Tennessee also, Mariota absolutely sucks

MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 08:58 AM

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Arbitrarily picking an age and saying a person is too old is a little short sighted. QB is a position where you can not have that number be the sole judge of a player.

VTSkins1961 01-24-2021 09:19 AM

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As much as Stafford is a known commodity I would not not give up a first for him. I'd rather role the dice and see what we can get in the draft and sign a free agent or see what #4 & #8 can do for one year....

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 09:48 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[QUOTE=VTSkins1961;1275154]As much as Stafford is a known commodity I would not not give up a first for him. I'd rather role the dice and see what we can get in the draft and sign a free agent or see what #4 & #8 can do for one year....[/QUOTE]I don't see Rivera being in that mindset. Last season, when it became clear there was even a chance to win the division, his mindset clearly changed. Now with a division title gained, I see him taking every shot at getting the qb situation settled beyond question.

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MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 10:11 AM

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So people wouldnít have traded for Brady 10 years ago because heís on the wrong side of 30?

mooby 01-24-2021 11:20 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=MissouriSkin;1275156]So people wouldnít have traded for Brady 10 years ago because heís on the wrong side of 30?[/quote]

This is a stupid question.

Are you saying people wouldn't trade for literally the greatest quarterback in NFL history because he was over 30?

MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 12:54 PM

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[quote=mooby;1275157]This is a stupid question.

Are you saying people wouldn't trade for literally the greatest quarterback in NFL history because he was over 30?[/quote]

Itís not a stupid question. People are on here saying donít do it because Staffordís over 30. Thatís stupid. QBs last longer than the average player for the most part, heís a known commodity as a really good QB and could make us a ton better. Argue the price? Sure. Saying no just because heís 32? Thatís stupid.

Schneed10 01-24-2021 01:08 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
Stafford would be my preferred QB move over Watson given the significant difference in the price. Rivera had this team much improved over the Gruden / Allen days, but there are significant holes on the roster. LB and DB, depth at WR, depth at TE, a long term answer at LT, these are all things we could really use our first round picks on in 2022 and 2023. Watson is a great player but I donít want to trade so much for a guy and put him in the position of having to hoist the entire offense on his back.

Stafford will only cost a 1 and a 3 or something like that, which is still plenty but not so much that you canít build a young nucleus.

For those who question how good Stafford is, school yourself. Watch some football outside of the NFC East. Since 2011, no QB has more game winning drives than Stafford.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm[/url]

Schneed10 01-24-2021 01:13 PM

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All time, 4th quarter comebacks:

[B]7th all time, tied with John Elway[/B]

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm[/url]

mooby 01-24-2021 01:34 PM

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275158]Itís not a stupid question. People are on here saying donít do it because Staffordís over 30. Thatís stupid. [B]QBs last longer than the average player for the most part[/B], heís a known commodity as a really good QB and could make us a ton better. Argue the price? Sure. Saying no just because heís 32? Thatís stupid.[/quote]

If you could provide some statistical evidence to back up your assertion, that would be great. There is literally no evidence qb's last longer other than recent history with Brees and Brady playing until 42/43. Historically they haven't lasted longer than any other position and the ones that did basically stayed injury free for most of their careers.

I'm saying the price should go down because he's 32 and you're not getting a decade of prime talent. Historically players also don't get better at avoiding injury with age too.

The argument you're looking for is demand far exceeds supply for talented qb's right now, which is gonna drive the price up.

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 01:38 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
I don't know what the stats say, but with the increased protection of qb's by the league it seems the trend would be for more of them to have longer playing careers.

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