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Chico23231 01-23-2021 07:45 PM

Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30766102/detroit-lions-actively-seek-trade-qb-matthew-stafford-sources-say[/url]

Detroit Lions to actively seek trade for QB Matthew Stafford, sources say

In an arrangement the two sides have discussed and mutually agreed upon, quarterback Matthew Stafford is expected to not return to the Lions this offseason, with Detroit listening to trade offers for its former No. 1 overall pick starting this week, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Saturday.

Per Adam Schefter

As much as Schefty is dope...he is usually right with his info.

So get in now with your opinion and donít give me this ďon the fenceĒ bs or comment after the fact. Donít be a fan later

Do you want him yes or no? What are you giving up?

Yes from me Iím sending our first to start with and a second next year to seal it.

Iím going to restructure do a 5 year deal to spread the cap hit out

sdskinsfan2001 01-23-2021 07:50 PM

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I'll go bold, I'll place us as the odds on favorites to land him.

Let's fucking go.

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Chico23231 01-23-2021 08:20 PM

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Martin Mayhew has a history with Stafford, could be a positive

Ron, Mayhew and Hurney...all right, everyone comfortable now?...Good, get out there and do your job NOW!

Donít fuck this up and miss a big opportunity. Your first test, pass it

AnonEmouse 01-23-2021 08:22 PM

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I agree with that, 1st now, 2nd later, possibly a player to sweeten the deal. Makes sense then to go after Golladay (as one of, not the only WR) in FA if we land Stafford.

Warthog 01-23-2021 08:53 PM

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I want him, UNLESS, Watson is also available. Stafford is going to be an excellent QB for at least 5 years. We already have Heinicke, so Stafford will get us the steady, elite QB play we need to win in the NFC East.

Iíve already predicted a bidding battle for Stafford. Something on the order of a couple firsts and maybe even a player. Iíve taken some heat for this prediction and they may be right and I may have overstated his value. In the end, it just depends on how many teams go ďall inĒ for him. Is Rivera ready to really go after this player? Rivera has a new GM and new VP for Personnel - both are older, experienced and certainly can mount a successful offense for Stafford, if thatís what Rivera wants.

If Rivera wants Stafford, he can get him. Watson may not even be available this off-season and will certainly be more expensive (regarding draft picks) than Watson if he does comes out. To get one of the top three Qb in the draft, the WFT will have to TRADE UP. A lot.

The off-season is already heating up! Canít wait to see who the WFT procure in this off-season!!

Chico23231 01-23-2021 08:54 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=AnonEmouse;1275108]I agree with that, 1st now, 2nd later, possibly a player to sweeten the deal. Makes sense then to go after Golladay (as one of, not the only WR) in FA if we land Stafford.[/quote]

Ya know, with Terry here...I rather us go with the other lions available WR, Marvin Jones (2 year deal) and pair that with Curtis Samuel (4 year deal).

A lot of people want a true no1..I rather get guys who complement Terry and set him up as that no1 guy. Jones, Samuel and Terry all have great speed and good hands.

SkinzWin 01-23-2021 09:04 PM

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[quote=Warthog;1275111]I want him, UNLESS, Watson is also available. Stafford is going to be an excellent QB for at least 5 years. We already have Heinicke, so Stafford will get us the steady, elite QB play we need to win in the NFC East.

Iíve already predicted a bidding battle for Stafford. Something on the order of a couple firsts and maybe even a player. Iíve taken some heat for this prediction and they may be right and I may have overstated his value. In the end, it just depends on how many teams go ďall inĒ for him. Is Rivera ready to really go after this player? Rivera has a new GM and new VP for Personnel - both are older, experienced and certainly can mount a successful offense for Stafford, if thatís what Rivera wants.

If Rivera wants Stafford, he can get him. Watson may not even be available this off-season and will certainly be more expensive (regarding draft picks) than Watson if he does comes out. To get one of the top three Qb in the draft, the WFT will have to TRADE UP. A lot.

The off-season is already heating up! Canít wait to see who the WFT procure in this off-season!![/quote]

Watson is available. Just not to us. He already has been reported to say his two top choices are the Jets and Dolphins. With his no trade clause he can say no if he doesnít like it. He holds the cards. Plus Iím really warming up to Stafford anyway as you will have to give up sooooo much for Watson, the cost will be less for Stafford and with the Mayhew connection the stars are aligning. Letís goooo!!

Daseal 01-23-2021 09:10 PM

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I'll be the odd man out here. I don't want Stafford. He's likely more talented than anyone on our roster - but he's on the wrong side of 30, is a perennial loser even with pretty decent offensive weapons, and would have us giving up draft capital to get him. Not everyone is Tom Brady that can play until they're 40, especially a player that hasn't proven they can elevate the talent around them.

I think we saw during the playoffs we're way more than just a QB away from being a perennial competitor. Henicke had an exceptional game in the playoffs that still wasn't able to bring it home, largely due to large gaps with our LBs, WRs, and DBs.

Honestly, I'm okay seeing what we have in Henicke and Allen this season at QB - or going after a younger vet that would take less/no draft capital (Mariotta, Dak, etc.) while building up the team around. If those players do poorly this year, start looking to being aggressive in the draft for a long-term answer.

Chico23231 01-23-2021 09:11 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=SkinzWin;1275117]Watson is available. Just not to us. He already has been reported to say his two top choices are the Jets and Dolphins. With his no trade clause he can say no if he doesnít like it. He holds the cards. Plus Iím really warming up to Stafford anyway as you will have to give up sooooo much for Watson, the cost will be less for Stafford and with the Mayhew connection the stars are aligning. Letís goooo!![/quote]

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Pervis_Griffith 01-23-2021 09:15 PM

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Fuck it ... I'm in.

For your price. 1st now, and a 2nd next year. That won't sting too much. Much more than that, we should be aiming for Watson.

I prefer Allen Robinson as a WR free agent acquisition. And let the younger guys we have continue to grow.

And I wouldn't mind spending some cash on a stud O-Lineman. Stafford needs to be protected -- he's had some injury issues in the past.

But with Stafford, we instantly jump into "playoff noise contention".

CRedskinsRule 01-23-2021 09:27 PM

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I am in on Stafford and I give up our 1st and either late 3rd or 4th this year and a conditional next year. We need a solid qb and Stafford gives us that. Stafford/Heinicke/Allen is a strong qb room, and draft a LB and take shots in FA and draft for WRs and other positions.

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Chico23231 01-23-2021 11:39 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=Daseal;1275119]I'll be the odd man out here. I don't want Stafford. He's likely more talented than anyone on our roster - but he's on the wrong side of 30, is a perennial loser even with pretty decent offensive weapons, and would have us giving up draft capital to get him. Not everyone is Tom Brady that can play until they're 40, especially a player that hasn't proven they can elevate the talent around them.

I think we saw during the playoffs we're way more than just a QB away from being a perennial competitor. Henicke had an exceptional game in the playoffs that still wasn't able to bring it home, largely due to large gaps with our LBs, WRs, and DBs.

Honestly, I'm okay seeing what we have in Henicke and Allen this season at QB - or going after a younger vet that would take less/no draft capital (Mariotta, Dak, etc.) while building up the team around. If those players do poorly this year, start looking to being aggressive in the draft for a long-term answer.[/quote]

The problem in waiting is Stafford quality qb rarely come available...also he is a known commodity. The draft is unknown with a defense ready to win NOW.

Chief X_Phackter 01-23-2021 11:56 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
I'd be in the mix for him, but only if they are able to lock him up for at least four, preferably five years. As it stand now, he's set to be an unrestricted FA in 2023. I think the #19 pick and next year's 2nd round pick is my ceiling for him, but I'm not giving that up for a two year rental.

Chief X_Phackter 01-24-2021 12:07 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1275133]The problem in waiting is Stafford quality qb rarely come available...also he is a known commodity. The draft is unknown with a [B]defense ready to win NOW.[/B][/quote]

The D-line is very good, and the defense is good overall, but it's not really ready to win now. They need some more pieces before we can say that. They won't get the same luck next year, with regard to the strength of schedule - and playing a bunch of backup QBs on top of that. They can't afford to be giving away a bunch of picks and players to land Stafford. No doubt he'd make the offense better, but it's still a .500ish team if we roll out there with this defense against next year's schedule - even with Stafford.

SkinzWin 01-24-2021 12:18 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1275120]Warpath Team Stafford Fan Club

Chico - Dictator
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Looks here. I can be team both. Matt gives us two super bowl rings in the next 4 years and then Heinicke takes over to add a couple more over the next 4 years.

mooby 01-24-2021 12:23 AM

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As much as I like Stafford, it's hard for me to justify giving up at least our first this year plus additional picks for a guy who is on the wrong side of 30.

If we were assured to get 5+ years out of him I wouldn't have an issue, but we've had pretty terrible luck trading for qb's on the wrong side of 30 recently.

On the flip side, qb is the most important position and without a good qb your chances are nil of going anywhere in the playoffs. So it's easy to see why the price is so high.

I say do it, but I have reservations about the deal. If for some reason something bad happens and he has a serious injury we basically are back to square one for the next year or two (but with the bonus of having Heinicke as the backup).

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 12:36 AM

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I hadn't considered the Steelers but he would be a great fit there too. The poll came from a yahoo sports article.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/6d4240b3d9eca055ef73b55fe4955aeb.jpg[/IMG]

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rocnrik 01-24-2021 12:43 AM

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Iím in !!!

SkinzWin 01-24-2021 12:44 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275141]I hadn't considered the Steelers but he would be a great fit there too. The poll came from a yahoo sports article.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/6d4240b3d9eca055ef73b55fe4955aeb.jpg[/IMG]

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I do not see the Patriots being an option with Patricia back. That experiment was a shit show.

EARTHQUAKE2689 01-24-2021 12:48 AM

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[quote=Daseal;1275119]I'll be the odd man out here. I don't want Stafford. He's likely more talented than anyone on our roster - [B]but he's on the wrong side of 30,[/B] is a perennial loser even with pretty decent offensive weapons, and would have us giving up draft capital to get him. Not everyone is Tom Brady that can play until they're 40, especially a player that hasn't proven they can elevate the talent around them.

I think we saw during the playoffs we're way more than just a QB away from being a perennial competitor. Henicke had an exceptional game in the playoffs that still wasn't able to bring it home, largely due to large gaps with our LBs, WRs, and DBs.

Honestly, I'm okay seeing what we have in Henicke and Allen this season at QB - or going after a younger vet that would take less/no draft capital (Mariotta, Dak, etc.) while building up the team around. If those players do poorly this year, start looking to being aggressive in the draft for a long-term answer.[/quote]


Tannehill is also 32 and looked outstanding in Tennessee also, Mariota absolutely sucks

MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 08:58 AM

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Arbitrarily picking an age and saying a person is too old is a little short sighted. QB is a position where you can not have that number be the sole judge of a player.

VTSkins1961 01-24-2021 09:19 AM

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As much as Stafford is a known commodity I would not not give up a first for him. I'd rather role the dice and see what we can get in the draft and sign a free agent or see what #4 & #8 can do for one year....

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 09:48 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[QUOTE=VTSkins1961;1275154]As much as Stafford is a known commodity I would not not give up a first for him. I'd rather role the dice and see what we can get in the draft and sign a free agent or see what #4 & #8 can do for one year....[/QUOTE]I don't see Rivera being in that mindset. Last season, when it became clear there was even a chance to win the division, his mindset clearly changed. Now with a division title gained, I see him taking every shot at getting the qb situation settled beyond question.

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MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 10:11 AM

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So people wouldnít have traded for Brady 10 years ago because heís on the wrong side of 30?

mooby 01-24-2021 11:20 AM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=MissouriSkin;1275156]So people wouldnít have traded for Brady 10 years ago because heís on the wrong side of 30?[/quote]

This is a stupid question.

Are you saying people wouldn't trade for literally the greatest quarterback in NFL history because he was over 30?

MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 12:54 PM

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[quote=mooby;1275157]This is a stupid question.

Are you saying people wouldn't trade for literally the greatest quarterback in NFL history because he was over 30?[/quote]

Itís not a stupid question. People are on here saying donít do it because Staffordís over 30. Thatís stupid. QBs last longer than the average player for the most part, heís a known commodity as a really good QB and could make us a ton better. Argue the price? Sure. Saying no just because heís 32? Thatís stupid.

Schneed10 01-24-2021 01:08 PM

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Stafford would be my preferred QB move over Watson given the significant difference in the price. Rivera had this team much improved over the Gruden / Allen days, but there are significant holes on the roster. LB and DB, depth at WR, depth at TE, a long term answer at LT, these are all things we could really use our first round picks on in 2022 and 2023. Watson is a great player but I donít want to trade so much for a guy and put him in the position of having to hoist the entire offense on his back.

Stafford will only cost a 1 and a 3 or something like that, which is still plenty but not so much that you canít build a young nucleus.

For those who question how good Stafford is, school yourself. Watch some football outside of the NFC East. Since 2011, no QB has more game winning drives than Stafford.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm[/url]

Schneed10 01-24-2021 01:13 PM

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All time, 4th quarter comebacks:

[B]7th all time, tied with John Elway[/B]

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm[/url]

mooby 01-24-2021 01:34 PM

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275158]Itís not a stupid question. People are on here saying donít do it because Staffordís over 30. Thatís stupid. [B]QBs last longer than the average player for the most part[/B], heís a known commodity as a really good QB and could make us a ton better. Argue the price? Sure. Saying no just because heís 32? Thatís stupid.[/quote]

If you could provide some statistical evidence to back up your assertion, that would be great. There is literally no evidence qb's last longer other than recent history with Brees and Brady playing until 42/43. Historically they haven't lasted longer than any other position and the ones that did basically stayed injury free for most of their careers.

I'm saying the price should go down because he's 32 and you're not getting a decade of prime talent. Historically players also don't get better at avoiding injury with age too.

The argument you're looking for is demand far exceeds supply for talented qb's right now, which is gonna drive the price up.

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 01:38 PM

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I don't know what the stats say, but with the increased protection of qb's by the league it seems the trend would be for more of them to have longer playing careers.

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skinsfaninok 01-24-2021 01:46 PM

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1275160]All time, 4th quarter comebacks:

[B]7th all time, tied with John Elway[/B]

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm[/url][/QUOTE]


Stafford is clutch as fuck. Weíve seen him do it to us a couple times. Iím all in on him if Iím Ron. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/14d3a3843400beba44c15eed0ab6d715.jpg[/IMG]

mredskins 01-24-2021 01:52 PM

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I think Stafford is playing at a higher level then Alex when we first got Alex.

CRedskinsRule 01-24-2021 02:10 PM

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I am so curious to see what the end price ends up being.

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Chico23231 01-24-2021 02:10 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=mredskins;1275166]I think Stafford is playing at a higher level then Alex when we first got Alex.[/quote]

Itís not even close. Stafford is a much better, more accomplished QB in the league.

AnonEmouse 01-24-2021 02:23 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275164]I don't know what the stats say, but with the increased protection of qb's by the league it seems the trend would be for more of them to have longer playing careers.

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This, and it's born out that the 2 positions with the most consistent 'oldest' retirement ages are kickers and QB's. In Stafford's case, while he has had injuries (and often played through them) he hasn't had any major injuries, and none to his shoulders, particularly his throwing arm.

Schneed10 01-24-2021 02:28 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275168]I am so curious to see what the end price ends up being.

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I think itís at least a first rounder. I think a 1 and a 3 is fair and gets it done.

The fact that Watson might be on the trade market helps from a supply/demand standpoint. But itís possible two teams, like Indy and WFT, end up in a bidding war.

mredskins 01-24-2021 02:43 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1275169]Itís not even close. Stafford is a much better, more accomplished QB in the league.[/quote]

I was just saying this because folks were saying that if we got him it be like when we brought on A Smith.

Stafford has always been better then A Smith

skinsfan69 01-24-2021 02:45 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
I think we all know how good Stafford is. He has played so well against us. However he is starting to get banged up and has misses some games.

I'm on the fence simply because of his age and durability. Not on the fence about his talent level. He still has an elite arm and accuracy.

The competition for him drives up the price and if it involves 2 1st rounders I'm passing.

skinsfan69 01-24-2021 02:46 PM

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? Heís Available
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1275165]Stafford is clutch as fuck. Weíve seen him do it to us a couple times. Iím all in on him if Iím Ron. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210124/14d3a3843400beba44c15eed0ab6d715.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Can't give him Sonny's number.

MissouriSkin 01-24-2021 03:09 PM

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[quote=skinsfan69;1275174]Can't give him Sonny's number.[/quote]

Yes you can.


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