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Warthog 11-18-2019 10:39 AM

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
The Redskins will most likely have the # 1 or #2 choice in the 2020 draft. Although there is some who want the team to trade down for more draft picks, this is time to draft a truly transformational player who can become a real superstar that the offense or defense could be built around. Right now Cinny has the first pick and will most likely go with Burrows q(QB).

How should the Redskins draft with this Uber-high draft pick? Most mock draft sites Have us taking the Best Player Available (BPA), the amazing Edge rusher from Ohio st - Chase Young. He would make our DL absolutely fierce. With the addition of Young AND getting a real, NFL-savvy DC, the Redskins defense could easily move from bottom-feeding into the top 50% in a single season. Right now the defense is poorly coached.

Another option deals with the rather mediocre play of last years pick at #15: Dwayne Haskins. Is he the franchise QB for the next decade? Or will he take several years to coach up and then be just average?
OR will the team waste 20-30 games to find out he’s a flat out bust like Shuler, Jason Campbell or RG3?

Unfortunately, the Redskins will have to evaluate Haskins, with a mediocre OL and a WR/TE group that has one elite player: McLaurin. I am shocked by Haskins, not for his rookie mistakes but for his poor fundamentals - happy feet, weak view of the field and mediocre accuracy. So do we do a St Louis and draft two “future” QB two years in a row? Let them battle it out next TC?

Until his hip injury, Tua was the QB everyone drooled over. The once-a-decade talent at the most important position in football. His injury will make him fall, but not very far. Should we pick him at #2? Tua or Young? What say you all?




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sdskinsfan2001 11-18-2019 10:47 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
Haskins pissed me off in the 1st half yesterday. But the whole team shit themselves, and I took it out on him more than I should've. I think we have to at least give him this season and next before taking a QB. Give me Chase Young or Andrew Thomas.

SunnySide 11-18-2019 10:51 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
I looked up mocks last night .. all have us taking LT Andrew Thomas. While I am sure Thomas may be a great player and we would be blessed to go Chris Samuels = Trent = Thomas ... I dont know how you pass up on Chase Young, even though we have spent soo many high draft picks on edge.

At #2 overall ... if you dont go BPA ... you are the reactionary redskins.

Tua? I dont know if he is really all that. Im sure he is polished and can read defenses but after reading the scouting reports it seems like Alabama has him get the ball out to his athletes with 5-15 yard passes. Not bad at all for a West Coast 3-5 step drop get the ball out offense.

Burrows or Chase Young for me.

Warthog 11-18-2019 11:00 AM

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1237149]Haskins pissed me off in the 1st half yesterday. But the whole team shit themselves, and I took it out on him more than I should've. I think we have to at least give him this season and next before taking a QB. Give me Chase Young or Andrew Thomas.[/QUOTE]



You’re probably right. The offense has so many holes or non-performing players it’s difficult to really evaluate Haskins. The thing that pissed me off MOST about the Jets game was seeing Crowder torch us, just like DeSean Jackson did in the Philly game. The Redskins have let three excellent WR leave the team (Jackson, 1000 yd/yr WR, Garçon, 1000 TD/yr WR and now Crowder who was a top slot WR) while retaining draft busts like Doctson or overpaid FA like Richardson who is either injured or underachieving . We’re like the dog dropping the bone in the water because he sees a bigger bone in the reflection.


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Warthog 11-18-2019 11:07 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[QUOTE=SunnySide;1237150]I looked up mocks last night .. all have us taking LT Andrew Thomas. While I am sure Thomas may be a great player and we would be blessed to go Chris Samuels = Trent = Thomas ... I dont know how you pass up on Chase Young, even though we have spent soo many high draft picks on edge.



At #2 overall ... if you dont go BPA ... you are the reactionary redskins.



Tua? I dont know if he is really all that. Im sure he is polished and can read defenses but after reading the scouting reports it seems like Alabama has him get the ball out to his athletes with 5-15 yard passes. Not bad at all for a West Coast 3-5 step drop get the ball out offense.



Burrows or Chase Young for me.[/QUOTE]



Wow. I was looking at about 4 mock draft yesterday (CBS, ESPN,USA TODAY) and they all had us taking Young. Because of Tua’s injury they all may be realigning.

Young would replace Kerrigan, who is a great Redskin and model veteran but fading. Chase would give us an awesome rush, especially if we had a real DC, instead of the worst one in the NFL.


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Chico23231 11-18-2019 11:26 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
At this point you have to at least make an attempt to build around Haskins and give him more than 8 games to prove himself.

IMO, if you believe Chase Young is a transformational Pass Rusher, then no question you take him. If he isn't there when we pick, then Id hold this pick for ransom with the intent of getting an additional 1st round pick for the following year and trying to add a second round pick this year.

los panda 11-18-2019 11:36 AM

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I'd rather trade down and go BPA.

It's only Haskins second start, he needs much more time. I won't write him off yet.

SunnySide 11-18-2019 11:37 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=Warthog;1237155]Wow. I was looking at about 4 mock draft yesterday (CBS, ESPN,USA TODAY) and they all had us taking Young. Because of Tua’s injury they all may be realigning.

Young would replace Kerrigan, who is a great Redskin and model veteran but fading. Chase would give us an awesome rush, especially if we had a real DC, instead of the worst one in the NFL.


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Nice. I googled it last night and just clicked the first few that popped up. Sporting news, Walter football and another had us taking Andrew Thomas. I was surprised/disappointed but give 0 stock to these.

Buffalo Bob 11-18-2019 11:45 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=Warthog;1237146]

Unfortunately, the Redskins will have to evaluate Haskins, with a mediocre OL and a WR/TE group that has one elite player: McLaurin. I am shocked by Haskins, not for his rookie mistakes but for his poor fundamentals - happy feet, weak view of the field and mediocre accuracy. [/quote]

I am still all for trading down from #2 for multiple picks, the team just has too many holes to fill. As for Haskins he is an obvious product of racking up video game numbers in college due to being on a team with superior talent. He is a fundamental mess, he has project tattooed on his forehead. The fundamentals are so bad, and combined with everything else there will be no chance to get a solid evaluation of his future potential in just the half dozen remaining games this season.

Number44 11-18-2019 11:54 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
If a team with the third or fourth pick covets Buttow, Young, or Tua, and we've got one of the top two picks, I'd trade down to pick up a second rounder and draft Thomas at 1.3 or 1.4. Thomas would immediately improve both Haskins and Guice's chances of stepping up, IMO. Getting that second rounder would be huge, since we traded ours for Sweat.

mooby 11-18-2019 11:55 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
I think the draft philosophy should always be BPA unless there is someone willing to make you a trade offer you can't refuse. Having a top 5 pick should give us the option for a playmaker though, and given the amount of holes this team has it shouldn't be a tough decision. Reaching to fill a need is never a wise decision.

skinsfan69 11-18-2019 12:02 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=SunnySide;1237150]I looked up mocks last night .. all have us taking LT Andrew Thomas. While I am sure Thomas may be a great player and we would be blessed to go Chris Samuels = Trent = Thomas ... I dont know how you pass up on Chase Young, even though we have spent soo many high draft picks on edge.

At #2 overall ... if you dont go BPA ... you are the reactionary redskins.

Tua? I dont know if he is really all that. Im sure he is polished and can read defenses but after reading the scouting reports it seems like Alabama has him get the ball out to his athletes with 5-15 yard passes. Not bad at all for a West Coast 3-5 step drop get the ball out offense.

Burrows or Chase Young for me.[/quote]

No one throws a better deep ball then Tua. Most pros don't throw a better deep ball than he does. The kid is special. Sucks that he got hurt but he'll recover. Durability will be the question mark, his talent can not be questioned.

sdskinsfan2001 11-18-2019 12:05 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
An Andrew Thomas, Guice, Harmon, McLaurin, Haskins offensive core would have me excited for the future.

I think we have a core on defense already with the DL, Collins, and Dunbar. Then again Chase Young is a stud.

To me you can't go wrong with Thomas or Young and I'm taking one of them unless I get an RG3/Ditka type trade offer.

We need studs, get a stud. We have cap space to fill in other holes.

Oh, and I'm not resigning Scherff, Moses is a fucking goner, along with Reed and Davis and Norman. We could have a shit ton of space to sign a couple solid lineman and get a difference maker or 2 at other positions.

skinsfan69 11-18-2019 12:12 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
Let's see how the kid does the remainder of the season before we talk QB with the 1st rounder. I just want to see more improvement, be more decisive, let plays develop downfield, convert more 3rd downs, take less sacks, stop jumping in the air when you throw the ball.

Meanwhile Kirk Cousins is playing as good as any QB in football.

Buffalo Bob 11-18-2019 01:32 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1237172]Let's see how the kid does the remainder of the season before we talk QB with the 1st rounder. I just want to see more improvement, be more decisive, let plays develop downfield, convert more 3rd downs, take less sacks, [B]stop jumping in the air when you throw the ball[/B].

Meanwhile Kirk Cousins is playing as good as any QB in football.[/quote]

He does some strange things for absolutely no reason. Most of the time when you see a QB throw side arm, off his back foot, off balance etc,etc it is because he has defenders in his face. Haskins will do it from a clean pocket with clear throwing lanes. I think he needs to have a QB coach live with him during the off season, he won't amount to anything until he is fundamentally sound.

jamf 11-18-2019 01:36 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
Let the next HC decide.

Warthog 11-18-2019 02:23 PM

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[QUOTE=jamf;1237193]Let the next HC decide.[/QUOTE]



There’s something be said for that. This team is the definition of a hot mess. It’s going to take a BIG SALARY, the opportunity to pick the #2 draft pick in 2020, lots of cap room (by dumping Reed, Davis, Moses,Scherff, Norman and Richardson) and some autonomy from the two stooges - Allen / Snyder to attract a really talented OC or DC to be the head coach.

The big question is whether Snyder sheds Bruce Allen to deflect the media and fan anger with a 1-15 season. If Snyder keeps him around as the GM, I just don’t see anyone of merit coming to this mess. BA’s continual personnel mistakes and arrogance are killing this team. The Snyder /Allen combo is the worst in the NFL and no HC can overcome their buffoonery.


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EARTHQUAKE2689 11-18-2019 04:10 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=SunnySide;1237150]I looked up mocks last night .. all have us taking LT Andrew Thomas. While I am sure Thomas may be a great player and we would be blessed to go Chris Samuels = Trent = Thomas ... I dont know how you pass up on Chase Young, even though we have spent soo many high draft picks on edge.

At #2 overall ... if you dont go BPA ... you are the reactionary redskins.

Tua? I dont know if he is really all that. Im sure he is polished and can read defenses but after reading the scouting reports it seems like Alabama has him get the ball out to his athletes with 5-15 yard passes. Not bad at all for a West Coast 3-5 step drop get the ball out offense.

Burrows or Chase Young for me.[/quote]

*Burrow, Tua just dislocated his hip so we have to see on the recovery there. For me it is Chase Young and there isn't anything to discuss

skinsfaninok 11-18-2019 05:34 PM

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We need Chase Young and I agree there is no other option IMO. Do not trade that pick unless u get a boatload in return

CrazyCanuck 11-18-2019 07:37 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
QB every year until we find one. It's our only hope.

skinsfaninok 11-18-2019 07:40 PM

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[url]https://twitter.com/Gjohnsonmedia/status/1196575683700576257[/url]

U have to admire this mans heart

DYoungJelly 11-18-2019 08:00 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
Chase Young.

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skinsfaninok 11-18-2019 08:18 PM

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There is no reason to give up on DH

Buffalo Bob 11-18-2019 08:23 PM

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I still haven't given up on the 1st over all pick. Cincinnati may be 0-10 but half their loses have been by 7 points or less, where all the Redskin losses have been by 2 scores or more except one. The Redskins aren't even competitive.

skinsfaninok 11-18-2019 08:26 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
FWIW , Haskins had his best game yesterday and grade by far

CRedskinsRule 11-18-2019 09:04 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1237223]FWIW , Haskins had his best game yesterday and grade by far[/quote]

you mean practice and 1st team reps might make a difference. Who woulda thunk it

Warthog 11-18-2019 09:37 PM

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
I think Edge Rusher Chase Young will make a bigger impact than OT Andrew Thomas. Although Ryan Kerrigan had a good game against the Jets and is a GREAT role model for the younger players, he is fading this year. Our DL, with the PROPER COACHING, could really be very good and much better than it is now.

Our defense is very vanilla, uncoordinated and doesn’t stunt at all. When Greg Manusky is replaced the defense can only go up. I think with just the addition of Young, the replacement of Norman with a excellent FA CB and proper coaching this defense could immediately improve a lot.

Our defense has some real talent, but without a good DC, better schemes and improved position coaches those good players are just wasted.

Chase Young is the best player available in the 2020 draft. He will be a force on this defense.


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EARTHQUAKE2689 11-18-2019 10:13 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1237219][url]https://twitter.com/Gjohnsonmedia/status/1196575683700576257[/url]

U have to admire this mans heart[/quote]

You say heart, I say stupidity.

Warthog 11-18-2019 11:00 PM

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
Why would Alex Smith risk his LONG-Term HEALTH to play again in the NFL?. Snyder owes him a boatload of money - WHETHER HE PLAYS OR NOT!

Secondly, even if Alex Smith out-plays Haskins in Training Camp, the new HC will have been brought to play Haskins and make him to a franchise-level QB, or NOT.

When you spend a first round draft pick for a QB you need to give him the chance to be the franchise QB. It happened with draft failures: Shuler, Jason Campbell and RG3. Historically the Redskins usually give him 20-30 games to prove his worth. That means even if Alex Smith makes a physical comeback he will be a backup QB to Haskins. Perhaps that’s all he wants.


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sdskinsfan2001 11-18-2019 11:36 PM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1237219][url]https://twitter.com/Gjohnsonmedia/status/1196575683700576257[/url]

U have to admire this mans heart[/quote]

Alex Smith is a bad ass sum' bitch and I respect the hell out of him. That being said, I don't want him to come back. He has had a great career and has made plenty of money. A healthy leg for the next 40 years is worth way more than any more millions of dollars he can make. I would like for him to be a coach here one day.

TheGuyFromOverThere 11-18-2019 11:44 PM

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Well, if Bruce is still here, it will probably be the highest drafted Kicker or Punter ever.

Irrefutable 11-19-2019 12:13 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=los panda;1237160]I'd rather trade down and go BPA.

[/quote]

I agree they need help almost everywhere and they do not have a 2nd round pick.... or much cap space

Warthog 11-19-2019 01:16 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
It is tempting to trade down to get more picks but getting a superstar can ignite a team for its offense or defense. Who does the Redskin have that is a game changer? Super stud? McLaurin. If someone can get him the ball.

On defense we have no true outstanding players. Chase Young could be such a beast. He could turn the DL into something special and magnify the play of Allen, Sweat, etc. Having a guy like him could bring fans back.


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Warthog 11-19-2019 01:23 AM

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Cap space will come by dumping all the overpaid vets who are tanking now OR always hurt. Moses, Norman, Richardson, Reed, Davis, McCoy, etc. Time for a youth movement and some new FA hired by a new HC.


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MTK 11-19-2019 07:48 AM

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Can’t go wrong with Thomas or Young


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skinsfaninok 11-19-2019 08:02 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1237237]Alex Smith is a bad ass sum' bitch and I respect the hell out of him. That being said, I don't want him to come back. He has had a great career and has made plenty of money. A healthy leg for the next 40 years is worth way more than any more millions of dollars he can make. I would like for him to be a coach here one day.[/quote]

I dont think he cares about $, I think he cares more about his legacy as the #1 pick and to prove he was worth that selection

Irrefutable 11-19-2019 08:14 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=MTK;1237243]Can’t go wrong with Thomas or Young


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One great player is not going to turn things around. How much impact did Sherff have?

EARTHQUAKE2689 11-19-2019 08:23 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1237244]I dont think he cares about $, I[B] think he cares more about his legacy as the #1 pick and to prove he was worth that selection[/B][/quote]

That ship sailed a long time ago, right around Aaron Rodgers ascension to being a top flight HOF quarterback

Chico23231 11-19-2019 08:38 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1237244]I dont think he cares about $, I think he cares more about his legacy as the #1 pick and to prove he was worth that selection[/quote]

I think with his contract we are essentially stuck with Alex next year, so the Skins and Alex must make sure tho he can only play if 100% healthy and he must understand he is the back up/mentor to Haskins.

This is why Eric Bieniemy intrigues me as a HC prospect...Him and Alex are a "system match" to surround Haskins. You could keep O'Connell as OC and grab the best DC on the market.

Chico23231 11-19-2019 08:38 AM

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 
[quote=Irrefutable;1237245]One great player is not going to turn things around. How much impact did Sherff have?[/quote]

I think 1 great pass rusher can significantly change a defense.


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