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mooby 12-20-2021 08:07 PM

The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
I don't expect this thread to get a lot of action soon, just wanted someplace to document this in case years later we find out this was the turning point on a stadium announcement.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonNFL/comments/rkvosi/did_callers_leak_rfk_stadium_as_the_new_stadium/"]A caller to Brian Mitchell/JP Finlay[/URL] claims the contractor that did the Raiders stadium is working with the WFT to re-develop RFK. Seems a little sus given the trend with new stadiums is to build huge retail developments all around it to bring in money year-round and RFK doesn't seem to have that kinda space.

That also seems to contradict with [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/washington-football-team-seeking-support-for-stadium-complex-in-northern-virginia/ar-AARVLWP?ocid=BingNewsSearch"]this recent WaPo article[/URL] saying team officials are working with legislators in VA to convert the useless baseball stadium authority into a football stadium authority to find a spot for the team in VA - preferably in Loudoun or Prince William counties according to the article. Loudoun would make sense if they built near the Silver Line extension - as much as I would enjoy them building in PWC it doesn't make sense considering we don't have direct Metro access.

JackLord 12-20-2021 08:56 PM

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A return to the RFK site is the most appealing, but also the most unlikely option.

My prediction: Snyder takes a page from the Mets move from Shea to Citifield. He builds a newer, smaller place next to FedEx Field on the parking lot. Once completed, he knocks down FedEx and replaces the parking.

BaltimoreSkins 12-20-2021 09:09 PM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=mooby;1304642]I don't expect this thread to get a lot of action soon, just wanted someplace to document this in case years later we find out this was the turning point on a stadium announcement.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonNFL/comments/rkvosi/did_callers_leak_rfk_stadium_as_the_new_stadium/"]A caller to Brian Mitchell/JP Finlay[/URL] claims the contractor that did the Raiders stadium is working with the WFT to re-develop RFK. [B]Seems a little sus given the trend with new stadiums is to build huge retail developments all around it to bring in money year-round and RFK doesn't seem to have that kinda space.
[/B]
That also seems to contradict with [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/washington-football-team-seeking-support-for-stadium-complex-in-northern-virginia/ar-AARVLWP?ocid=BingNewsSearch"]this recent WaPo article[/URL] saying team officials are working with legislators in VA to convert the useless baseball stadium authority into a football stadium authority to find a spot for the team in VA - preferably in Loudoun or Prince William counties according to the article. Loudoun would make sense if they built near the Silver Line extension - as much as I would enjoy them building in PWC it doesn't make sense considering we don't have direct Metro access.[/quote]

Plus where would the surfing moat go?

CRedskinsRule 12-20-2021 09:40 PM

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I could certainly see a contractor drawing up a competitive bid for rebuilding on RFK. That is just doing due diligence.

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TheGuyFromOverThere 12-21-2021 01:20 AM

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The new stadium will be built in Stamford, Connecticut for the McMahon Dumbfounders after Dannis-the-Menace sold the team to Vince McMahon.

mooby 12-21-2021 06:55 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1304653]I could certainly see a contractor drawing up a competitive bid for rebuilding on RFK. That is just doing due diligence.

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Makes the most sense - draw up multiple options for multiple sites and let DC/VA outbid each other for the best deal - I think Hogan has already said MD is out for a new stadium.

mredskins 12-21-2021 09:16 AM

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[quote=credskinsrule;1304653]i could certainly see a contractor drawing up a competitive bid for rebuilding on rfk. That is just doing due diligence.

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AnonEmouse 12-21-2021 10:20 AM

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Wherever it ends up, lets just hope it doesn't get named the "Daniel Snyder Memorial Stadium" or the like.

mooby 12-21-2021 02:24 PM

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1304695]Wherever it ends up, lets just hope it doesn't get named the "Daniel Snyder Memorial Stadium" or the like.[/quote]

Implying Dan has moved on to the 8th level of hell (in my hell it would be the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl every year)? I would make that deal.

AnonEmouse 12-21-2021 06:45 PM

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[quote=mooby;1304742]Implying Dan has moved on to the 8th level of hell (in my hell it would be the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl every year)? I would make that deal.[/quote]

Now, how much do you want for your soul?

JackLord 12-22-2021 01:51 PM

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This article states there may be a dome in Virginia:

[url]https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2021/12/20/washington-football-team-domed-stadium.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_WA&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RTRS8rvIIBEeUxf64t3VLCYsbKSGuNYGZsRrNJyR9FP-gP3MJFnxEldA[/url]

BaltimoreSkins 12-22-2021 01:52 PM

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[quote=JackLord;1305308]This article states there may be a dome in Virginia:

[url]https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2021/12/20/washington-football-team-domed-stadium.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_WA&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RTRS8rvIIBEeUxf64t3VLCYsbKSGuNYGZsRrNJyR9FP-gP3MJFnxEldA[/url][/quote]

Dear lord the only thing worse than a stadium in the suburbs is a domed stadium in the suburb.

sdskinsfan2001 12-22-2021 02:04 PM

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No fucking dome!!! Hell no!!!

JackLord 12-22-2021 02:55 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1305313]No fucking dome!!! Hell no!!![/quote]

I agree. Domes are soul sucking structures.

MTK 12-22-2021 02:57 PM

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How about a dome with a retractable roof? You get the best of both.

sdskinsfan2001 12-22-2021 03:43 PM

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[quote=MTK;1305329]How about a dome with a retractable roof? You get the best of both.[/quote]

Those cost way more money and they wil close it when it doesn't need to be closed.

calia 12-22-2021 03:57 PM

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1305337]Those cost way more money and they wil close it when it doesn't need to be closed.[/QUOTE]


Well, if it would hide the product on the field…. Seriously, the stadium is the least of our worries as the product on the field needs to be better (and consistently). Hoping RR can get us there.


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JackLord 12-23-2021 10:35 AM

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[quote=MTK;1305329]How about a dome with a retractable roof? You get the best of both.[/quote]

Domes- with out or without retractable rooves- are sterile, untraditional, mall-like, devoid of character, and just plain ugly.

In other words, highly appealing to Daniel Snyder.

BaltimoreSkins 12-23-2021 11:19 AM

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[quote=MTK;1305329]How about a dome with a retractable roof? You get the best of both.[/quote]

II am still not a fan. If there is a thing such as dome field advantage I would readjust my thinking

skinsfaninok 12-23-2021 01:11 PM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1305398]II am still not a fan. If there is a thing such as dome field advantage I would readjust my thinking[/quote]

Saints usually play great at home..

The Bills are actually talking about a new stadium in Buffalo, some players have said they would like a dome.. Fans want open stadium for the weather advantage.. I have been to a snowy game and it's cool for about a QTR then it starts to suck

mooby 01-19-2022 10:06 AM

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[URL="https://www.fox5dc.com/sports/talks-to-build-new-washington-football-team-stadium-in-virginia-very-serious"]Virginia is gettin' all hot and bothered about a potential stadium here. [/URL]

I do find it funny how the times change though - 4 years ago it seemed like no state/DC was willing to work with the team to find a new home and now they're all competing against each other. Hope "intense competition" was the right choice of words here.

Summo 01-19-2022 11:01 AM

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Modern Dome stadiums are not the same as the orginal domes in most senses. Vegas, SoFi, Arizona, a dome like that would be awesome and would attrach a super bowl as well to DC/VA

JackLord 01-19-2022 12:54 PM

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Gotta question.

Is any stadium deal predicated on the local municipality pricking up the tab or is Snyder going to pay for most of it with some requisite concessions?

rocnrik 01-19-2022 10:48 PM

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[quote=Summo;1308383]Modern Dome stadiums are not the same as the orginal domes in most senses. Vegas, SoFi, Arizona, a dome like that would be awesome and would attrach a super bowl as well to DC/VA[/quote]

Well said !!!

SFREDSKIN 01-19-2022 11:29 PM

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Whatever happened to this:

[url]https://qz.com/640639/designs-for-the-new-redskins-stadium-includes-a-moat-a-climbing-wall-and-an-ice-skating-rink/[/url]

Pervis_Griffith 01-20-2022 01:24 AM

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[quote=Summo;1308383]Modern Dome stadiums are not the same as the orginal domes in most senses. Vegas, SoFi, Arizona, a dome like that would be awesome and would attrach a super bowl as well to DC/VA[/quote]


This is where I land ...

I think Vegas' stadium is the best of the newer domes.
I'd put Minnesota second.
Then LA's.

And it could host not only Super Bowls, but NCAA Final Fours in hoops, and college national champ games too.

nonniey 01-20-2022 01:40 AM

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[quote=JackLord;1308395]Gotta question.

Is any stadium deal predicated on the local municipality pricking up the tab or is Snyder going to pay for most of it with some requisite concessions?[/quote]

They almost certainly expect the municipality to pick up the tab which is why I just don't see a new stadium deal anytime soon.

TheGuyFromOverThere 01-20-2022 03:07 AM

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Looking at NFL (or College Football) Stadiums that Iīve seen on TV or pictures I notice that in the US itīs mostly "completely open" or "dome". Please correct me if Iīm wrong.

In Germany or Austria itīs mostly "open field but a roof over the stands". For examples, please google Fritz-Walter-Stadion or Allianz-Arena.

So, basically, you still have the weather influencing the game as it should be for an outdoor sports but the fans are at least dry even when itīs raining.

JackLord 01-20-2022 09:24 AM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;1308431]Looking at NFL (or College Football) Stadiums that Iīve seen on TV or pictures I notice that in the US itīs mostly "completely open" or "dome". Please correct me if Iīm wrong.

In Germany or Austria itīs mostly "open field but a roof over the stands". For examples, please google Fritz-Walter-Stadion or Allianz-Arena.

So, basically, you still have the weather influencing the game as it should be for an outdoor sports but the fans are at least dry even when itīs raining.[/quote]

You are more or less correct.

Seems to be two schools of thought. There are the purists who like grass fields, open air stadiums and feel the weather is part of the experience. The Packers, Steelers, and Redskins exemplify this.

Then there are those who like hyper-modern, newer the better places including domes. The Raiders and Cowboys would be students of this school.

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BaltimoreSkins 01-20-2022 10:09 AM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=Summo;1308383]Modern Dome stadiums are not the same as the orginal domes in most senses. Vegas, SoFi, Arizona, a dome like that would be awesome and would attrach a super bowl as well to DC/VA[/quote]

I get the economic value but I just don't know if it translates to a home field advantage come playoff time for the on field product. I will have to see if I can find it but I read an article a few weeks ago how home teams in a dome at playoff have a lower winning percentage than open air stadium teams. Of course to an owner that is meaningless as it is all about economics.

JackLord 01-20-2022 10:51 AM

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1308435]I get the economic value but I just don't know if it translates to a home field advantage come playoff time for the on field product. I will have to see if I can find it but I read an article a few weeks ago how home teams in a dome at playoff have a lower winning percentage than open air stadium teams. Of course to an owner that is meaningless as it is all about economics.[/quote]

I personally don't like domes, but realize many do.

Not sure there is much in the way of economic advantage. Getting the Super Bowl provides some fun for a couple of weeks, but no lasting economic boost.

MTK 01-20-2022 10:55 AM

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It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.

SunnySide 01-20-2022 11:17 AM

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The mini city development is pretty cool. Hotels, restaurants, bars, shops, condos, open spaces, live music and a casino

Get a room Saturday, dip in the pool, get dinner around 7, some drinks, live music, wake up next day, grab breakfast and a few bloody marys, walk to the game, skins win, drive home about $800 broker

BaltimoreSkins 01-20-2022 11:29 AM

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[quote=MTK;1308438]It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.[/quote]

That is where I was headed when I was talking about economics. An indoor facility might actually live up to the promise of a revenue generator for the community while most are just a tax drainer.

In terms of dome field advantage for the on field product this is what I found:

[url]https://edge.twinspires.com/nfl/is-there-such-a-thing-as-dome-field-advantage-in-the-nfl/#:~:text=583%20win%20percentage%2C%20while%20dome,won%2038.8%25%20on%20the%20road[/url].

I thought I read it in a more reliable resource. There are other compilations of data that show similar but were from before 2015 so outdated.

JackLord 01-20-2022 12:40 PM

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[quote=MTK;1308438]It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.[/quote]

I hear you and that does seem the case at first glance.

But all those things you mention are still more sporadic than not. They also require a lot of services (cops) to be diverted.

The Super Dome has not economically boosted New Orleans. SoFi is not going to make much difference in LA. They are great places to play and the Super Dome, in walking distance to the pleasures of the French Quarter, is great for SBs.

There are already a plethora of convention centers and convert venues in this area. Only a few performers would justify using a dome and the Stones are getting long in the tooth. ;)

Now as Sunnyside said, a stadium can sometimes be an economic boon if, like Nationals Park, it helps promote new development. Something on the RFK site might promote that.

:)

AnonEmouse 01-20-2022 12:44 PM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;1308431]Looking at NFL (or College Football) Stadiums that Iīve seen on TV or pictures I notice that in the US itīs mostly "completely open" or "dome". Please correct me if Iīm wrong.

In Germany or Austria itīs mostly "open field but a roof over the stands". For examples, please google Fritz-Walter-Stadion or Allianz-Arena.

So, basically, you still have the weather influencing the game as it should be for an outdoor sports but the fans are at least dry even when itīs raining.[/quote]

I hadn't really thought about it before but you're right, us Europeans do like a bit of shelter from the elements. I remember my trip to RFK in '94 and not being conscious of sitting in the sun for 3 hours; nice touch of sunburn afterwards :D.

As to the advantage I'd suggest cold region stadiums probably see more home field advantage against warm region teams than not. i.e. It doesn't seem to impact the Bills v Patriots results as much!

skinsfan69 01-20-2022 01:25 PM

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The last thing I want is my tax dollars going to Dan Snyder to build his stupid stadium. There is literally NO WHERE for him to put it in Va. Stay over in there in Raljon.

Youngkin can assemble his football authority all he wants. When it comes down to it where are you going to go? Where can you put a stadium in Va?

Back in the early 90's Cooke was going to build it in the area that is now Potomac Yard. That would have been a hell of a location but it never happened. You could've had it there and built all around it. The building happened years later but no stadium.. :-(

skinsfan69 01-20-2022 01:27 PM

Re: The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo
 
[quote=SunnySide;1308440]The mini city development is pretty cool. Hotels, restaurants, bars, shops, condos, open spaces, live music and a casino

Get a room Saturday, dip in the pool, get dinner around 7, some drinks, live music, wake up next day, grab breakfast and a few bloody marys, walk to the game, skins win, drive home about $800 broker[/quote]

That sound great and all but the only place to do that is National Harbor.

JackLord 01-20-2022 02:12 PM

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[quote=skinsfan69;1308445]The last thing I want is my tax dollars going to Dan Snyder to build his stupid stadium. There is literally NO WHERE for him to put it in Va. Stay over in there in Raljon.

Youngkin can assemble his football authority all he wants. When it comes down to it where are you going to go? Where can you put a stadium in Va?

Back in the early 90's Cooke was going to build it in the area that is now Potomac Yard. That would have been a hell of a location but it never happened. You could've had it there and built all around it. The building happened years later but no stadium.. :-([/quote]

Cook also wanted to raze RFK and build a new stadium there. Most notably he offered to foot most of the bill.

Discussion eventually derailed and FedEx Field was born. I used to blame then Mayor Kelley for turning down a great offer. But I have come to realize that Cook in his final years could not have been the easiest man to deal with.

mooby 01-20-2022 06:49 PM

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[quote=JackLord;1308442]I hear you and that does seem the case at first glance.

But all those things you mention are still more sporadic than not. [B]They also require a lot of services (cops) to be diverted.[/B]

The Super Dome has not economically boosted New Orleans. SoFi is not going to make much difference in LA. They are great places to play and the Super Dome, in walking distance to the pleasures of the French Quarter, is great for SBs.

There are already a plethora of convention centers and convert venues in this area. Only a few performers would justify using a dome and the Stones are getting long in the tooth. ;)

Now as Sunnyside said, a stadium can sometimes be an economic boon if, like Nationals Park, it helps promote new development. Something on the RFK site might promote that.

:)[/quote]

Nah, I mean I can't speak for everybody but it's a fairly common arrangement around here for cops to work OT security details (that the requesting venue pays for) at grocery stores/stadiums/etc. - all those cops you see working at Fedex on gamedays are probably all getting OT that's paid for by the WFT/league - there is no way in hell a department would shift most of its' resources to working a game and leave coverage thin everywhere else.


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