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sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 01:40 PM

3-4 vs. 4-3
 
I know we run multiple fronts, but our "base" is 3-4.

Feels like we've always been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I would really prefer our base was a 4-3.

DE - Sweat, Kerrigan
DT - Bama Boys (with great rotation with Matty and Settle)
OLB - Dion Hamilton or Harvey-Clemons, Holcomb
MLB - Bostic (Hamilton could play here too)

I think our talent fits this better and it would keep our DTs so much fresher throughout the game.

skinsfaninok 09-16-2019 01:44 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
With our personnel we are better fit for 4-3 and on the back end as well. Most 4-3 teams run QTRS coverage which is Cover 4, that is for teams that lack the speed in the secondary as each player is responsible for 1/4 of the field.. We are running Cover 3 and praying Montae can cover the space... Another inept coaching decision

calia 09-16-2019 01:50 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 01:51 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1230421]With our personnel we are better fit for 4-3 and on the back end as well. Most 4-3 teams run QTRS coverage which is Cover 4, that is for teams that lack the speed in the secondary as each player is responsible for 1/4 of the field.. We are running Cover 3 and praying Montae can cover the space... Another inept coaching decision[/quote]

Nicholson - Fast, zero discipline
Apke - Fast, not very good
Moreau - Fast and injured

Speed is definitely a concern. Even with the speed guys we have, we have issues.

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 01:54 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=calia;1230423]Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?[/quote]

With our coaching staff? They can't seem to coach any scheme lol. But we run some 4-3 already, so in theory, it should be doable.

VTSkins1961 09-16-2019 02:01 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
should have never tried the 3-4 in my opinion. Hasn't worked out well for us at all. I prefer 4-3 and seeing that we run it sometimes, as stated earlier, it should be doable

skinsfaninok 09-16-2019 02:05 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=calia;1230423]Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?[/quote]

That is hard to do in the season, i'm sure its possible since they are all pro athletes but I doubt the team would even try it

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 02:09 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1230433]That is hard to do in the season, i'm sure its possible since they are all pro athletes but I doubt the team would even try it[/quote]

Manusky won't even try rushing 5 guys. I want our next HC to be a defensive minded coach. I actually want the Cowboys DC as our HC.

BaltimoreSkins 09-16-2019 02:10 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
There are very few 3-4s in college therefore the number of natural nose tackles are limited. To me going 4-3 makes more sense especially in a passing league.

skinsfaninok 09-16-2019 02:17 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230435]Manusky won't even try rushing 5 guys. I want our next HC to be a defensive minded coach. I actually want the Cowboys DC as our HC.[/quote]

me too, said it last yr but will he come to this shit?

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 02:23 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1230437]me too, said it last yr but will he come to this shit?[/quote]

Pride and $$$, yeah, I think we can get just about any coordinator to be our HC. Only 32 jobs available, risky game to pass on any of them.

sandtrapjack 09-16-2019 02:30 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
More and more teams are using 11 personnel formations on offense. And that would dictate a nickel defense as a minimum to match up against that. I think I saw a stat that on Sundays Cowboys/Redskins game, that Dallas used 11 personnel on over 70% of their offense snaps.

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 02:33 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass when the down and distance dictates it.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.

sandtrapjack 09-16-2019 02:36 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230441]Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.[/quote]

11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 02:41 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;1230442]11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.[/quote]

Got it. Yeah, that seems to be the new normal. Would be interesting to know the league wide % of that group throughout the NFL thru 1st 2 weeks.


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