Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?
 

Haskin’s is the last elite QB from the 2019 draft to be played by his team. Even with the change of the HC after five games, or its 0-5 season, it may be possible that Haskins may not play this season. The Redskin’s leadership continues to think that even though the team may win only 1-2 games this season, it is more beneficial to play QB losers such as Case Keenum (6 turnovers over the last 6 quarters of play) or Colt McCoy (119 passing yds and 60 QB rating in his debut against the Patriots). Will the Redskin’s lack of confidence in Haskins NOW; or perhaps its over-protectiveness cause Haskin’s to leave later?

The arguments against Haskins playing this season:
1. He’s not ready
2. Our poor OL will stunt his growth
3. He’ll have a new HC next year

These arguments overlook one major point: the longer the team DOESN’T play him, the more ANGER and FRUSTRATION he will build toward the franchise. Other losing franchises, such as the Giants, are taking a chance on their rookie QB. Why aren’t we? Haskins Also learned that Gruden didn’t want to draft him. There is some suspicion that Gruden may have thrown Haskins into the Bear’s game, in a totally unprepared condition, in order to get him to fail (Gruden’s attempt to get BA and Snyder to fire him?). Weekly, Haskins watches NFL cast off QB’s like Keenum and McCoy get game experience that he desperately needs. Then these two PERFORM POORLY and lose badly.

The same conditions and treatment ultimately were a MAJOR reason that Kirk Cousins wanted to be traded at the end of his contract. Will Haskin’s leave the team in 5 years because of how he is being treated now? Will the lack of confidence and preparation this season hurt his performance later?




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He’s not ready, did you watch the Giants game? On the Golic and Wingo show today, some football scouts and execs say it will probably take a year or 2 for him to be ready. I say leave it to the coaches who see him practice and not some impatient fan/fans who want to see him play.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1233641]He’s not ready, did you watch the Giants game? On the Golic and Wingo show today, some football scouts and execs say it will probably take a year or 2 for him to be ready. I say leave it to the coaches who see him practice and not some impatient fan/fans who want to see him play.[/QUOTE]



Haskins had no first team reps the ENTIRE preseason. He has had no reps at all this season. You can’t take a rookie with zero time with the guys he going to play with and throw him into the middle of a game. A FAIR representation of his current talent would be to give him a week to prepare for the Bears team with first team reps and see how he does.

BTW, Peyton MANNING has a 3 INT day his rookie year. Haskins needs experience playing in real games, not watching Case Keenum have 5 turnovers in one game. Or see Colt pass for 119 yds against the Pats. The team is wasting valuable game experience in a horrible season. Why are we the only team to NOT play its rookie QB?


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Cause he started 10 college games vs 38 games for Daniel Jones in a pro style offense. He’s not ready!! In the old days QB’s sat for 2, 3 years or longer.

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This isn’t the old days. In the early 2000’s we drafted a QB named Jason Campbell in the first round and he was projected to be the new “franchise QB”. He sat for over 1.5 seasons. He eventually was a bust for the team after playing three years.

Sitting a player doesn’t guarantee the OL will be better next year. It doesn’t guarantee he will learn much or be a better QB. He needs GAME experience AND getting reps with the first team - give it to him in this terrible team season.


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He was drafted way too high. He's not ready to play but ...

Daniel Jones literally came in mid game and performed in the scenario you described.

He should play to see if we draft another QB in the 1st in 2020.

You described him as elite. What's your evidence he's elite?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1233651]He was drafted way too high. He's not ready to play but ...

Daniel Jones literally came in mid game and performed in the scenario you described.

He should play to see if we draft another QB in the 1st in 2020.

You described him as elite. What's your evidence he's elite?

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Why you would spend the 15 pick on a project QB? Complete mismanagement

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1233646]Cause he started 10 college games vs 38 games for Daniel Jones in a pro style offense. He’s not ready!! In the old days QB’s sat for 2, 3 years or longer.[/quote]

13 and Kyler Murray started 14 so that whole he only started 13 games argument is just foolish talk to me. If they cant tailor a gameplan for this kid to play a game against a team that is ACTIVELY TRYING TO LOSE in Miami then why did we draft him?

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[quote=Chico23231;1233654]Why you would spend the 15 pick on a project QB? Complete mismanagement[/quote]

They spent a 15 pick on a project QB because Snyder's son was friends with Haskins at Bullis HS. That's how this organization operates. The coach wants first round picks who can play right away while ownership drafts family friends. That's why no coach will succeed here.

I heard on one of the DC sports talk shows that multiple teams had Haskins projected as a third round pick. I don't think he was going to go that low but he was definitely over-drafted at 15.

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If we hadn't drafted Haskins with the 15 pick this year, just imagine the fan reaction.

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Give him this season but he needs to play at some point, guys get better on the field in todays league, I would wait until the last 4-5 games then play him

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1233641]He’s not ready, did you watch the Giants game? On the Golic and Wingo show today, some football scouts and execs say it will probably take a year or 2 for him to be ready. I say leave it to the coaches who see him practice and not some impatient fan/fans who want to see him play.[/quote]

I do believe that you can give him 30- 40 plays and go with that. You can go w/ plays he ran at Ohio State. He ain't ready for the full play book but you can gameplan for plays he's comfortable with. If he struggles then put in the Case or Colt.

Haskins is most likely going to fail here anyway. It's just not a place for a young QB to be successful in. A new coach is going to come in and be forced to work w/ him. That is how dysfunction starts, a la RG3 and Jay. A new coach most likely will want to bring in his own guy, play his own guy.

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[quote=irish;1233657]They spent a 15 pick on a project QB because Snyder's son was friends with Haskins at Bullis HS. That's how this organization operates. The coach wants first round picks who can play right away while ownership drafts family friends. That's why no coach will succeed here.

I heard on one of the DC sports talk shows that multiple teams had Haskins projected as a third round pick. I don't think he was going to go that low but he was definitely over-drafted at 15.[/quote]

I dont get where these "reports" are coming from all of a sudden. I remember back during the draft - and especially right after - many were touting Haskins as perhaps the best QB in this year's draft.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1233656]13 and Kyler Murray started 14 so that whole he only started 13 games argument is just foolish talk to me. If they cant tailor a gameplan for this kid to play a game against a team that is ACTIVELY TRYING TO LOSE in Miami then why did we draft him?[/quote]

Word.

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John Clayton was saying that Jay did indeed like Haskins but said he was not his first choice that Daniel Jones was actually his #1 QB in the draft.

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No rookie QB's are truly "ready" to play right away, that's where good coaching comes in. You trim down the playbook, have the center make the line calls, you run the ball, etc.

I don't know where this idea is coming from that he can't play until he has ideal circumstances around him. A big part of learning to play QB in this league is figuring things out on the fly, handling failure, handling adversity. If he's so fragile (and I don't think he is) than we've already made a huge mistake.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1233658]If we hadn't drafted Haskins with the 15 pick this year, just imagine the fan reaction.[/quote]

Exactly, now everyone is like "he isn't ready" "he doesn't know the playbook" from what I have seen in Case and Colt, they don't know it either.

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The reports seem to be that he is more unpolished than QBs tend to be coming out of college, so proper development is that much more important. There are reasons to question the development already. He's already been the source of conflict between the front office and the coaching staff. And in his second year, he'll be learning his second offense. Far from ideal conditions for developing a young QB, but definitely business as usual at Ashburn.

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Every year teams reach for QB's. Every year. Bad teams that suck at every position that think a good QB will make them a playoff team. It is still team sport folks!
Then you have the college QB's that are on dominant teams (Alabama, LSU, OSU) that when they get to the NFL are really not that great. Tim Tebow comes to mind.
Daniel Jones is a better prepared QB to play in the NFL than Haskins. Experience, better coached and played in a pro system. He may not be a better athlete or throw the ball the farthest. Jones understands the fundamentals and plays within the system. Jones is well coached , has great footwork, something Haskins ihas always lacked. When I see Haskins play in college he is raw talent that has bad habits. He succeeded ona strong team and his athleticism over lesser talent in college. In NFL that does not work. So you have rely fundamentals, read defenses quickly and getting rid of the ball. He lacks in this.
That is why I did not want him that high in the draft.

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If we don’t play Haskins at all and the new coach does not want him forced on him.. and wants a different QB .. what is haskins worth? I really do see this as a Rosen type deal..part of bringing in a new coach is his comfort level with the QB.. I hope this works out but the talk of haskins not being ready for 2 years is not good for bringing in a top head coach.. we still need a vet to rely on if Haskins is a project..

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11 long painful games left to the season. Plenty of time left for Haskins to get caught up to speed. I do hope and wish the staff could communicate with Haskins so that he is on the same page. We the public dont need to know the plan but I hope internally they are talking with him about the big picture.

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I repeat myself a good bit and I apologize but I really believe Week 11 vs the Jets is the perfect time for him to start. He gets the bye week for extra prep, avoids the short 4 day turn around from week 7 to week 8 and by that time I imagine Keenum and McCoy will be on the IR.

He would get to start 7 games.

I strongly believe waiting until week 11 is the best bet.

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Looking at that schedule we are really going 1-15 or 2-14

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The thing I find to be completely useless commentary is the idea that Gruden wanted Daniel Jones over Haskins. Maybe everyone did. Maybe Snyder did. Who the hell knows, but it doesn't matter because Jones was gone at 6 and we were picking 15th.

The question is would you have taken Haskins at 15 or a different player instead? Jones wasn't an option.

When we got Haskins at 15 everyone on this board was thrilled and we got As from most pundits. He's not coming along quickly. But it's also too soon to label him a bust.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1233656]13 and Kyler Murray started 14 so that whole he only started 13 games argument is just foolish talk to me. If they cant tailor a gameplan for this kid to play a game against a team that is ACTIVELY TRYING TO LOSE in Miami then why did we draft him?[/quote]

That is a bad comparison because of Murray's mobility and threat to run, you have to defend Murray much differently than Haskins. Until he gets the mental part of the NFL game down Murray can rely on his athleticism to get by until enough film is gathered on him. Relying on athleticism until the rest of his game develops isn't an option for Haskins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1233704]The thing I find to be completely useless commentary is the idea that Gruden wanted Daniel Jones over Haskins. Maybe everyone did. Maybe Snyder did. Who the hell knows, but it doesn't matter because Jones was gone at 6 and we were picking 15th.

The question is would you have taken Haskins at 15 or a different player instead? Jones wasn't an option.

When we got Haskins at 15 everyone on this board was thrilled and we got As from most pundits. He's not coming along quickly. But it's also too soon to label him a bust.[/quote]

I'm still happy we took him over Jones, in the long run I believe he'll be the better QB.. Maybe Jones is a true baller but I just don't see that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1233708]I'm still happy we took him over Jones, in the long run I believe he'll be the better QB.. Maybe Jones is a true baller but I just don't see that.[/quote]

Dude, we didn't take him OVER Jones. This is driving me bananas. Jones was not available to us. It's not like we passed up Daniel Jones to get Haskins.

If Daniel Jones were available at 15 we might have taken him. We'll never know.

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[quote=Defensewins;1233675]Every year teams reach for QB's. Every year. Bad teams that suck at every position that think a good QB will make them a playoff team. It is still team sport folks!
Then you have the college QB's that are on dominant teams (Alabama, [B]LSU[/B], OSU) that when they get to the NFL are really not that great. Tim Tebow comes to mind.
Daniel Jones is a better prepared QB to play in the NFL than Haskins. Experience, better coached and played in a pro system. He may not be a better athlete or throw the ball the farthest. Jones understands the fundamentals and plays within the system. Jones is well coached , has great footwork, something Haskins ihas always lacked. When I see Haskins play in college he is raw talent that has bad habits. He succeeded ona strong team and his athleticism over lesser talent in college. In NFL that does not work. So you have rely fundamentals, read defenses quickly and getting rid of the ball. He lacks in this.
That is why I did not want him that high in the draft.[/quote]


Being a LSU fan, they have rarely had a dominant college QB

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[quote=Schneed10;1233714]Dude, we didn't take him OVER Jones. This is driving me bananas. Jones was not available to us. It's not like we passed up Daniel Jones to get Haskins.

If Daniel Jones were available at 15 we might have taken him. We'll never know.[/quote]

Such an odd narrative that's out there right now.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233705]That is a bad comparison because of Murray's mobility and threat to run, you have to defend Murray much differently than Haskins. Until he gets the mental part of the NFL game down Murray can rely on his athleticism to get by until enough film is gathered on him. Relying on athleticism until the rest of his game develops isn't an option for Haskins.[/quote]

50 TDs in a college conference where they actually play defense is nothing to sneeze at. Best way to learn on the job is to actually do the job. It isn't like we have a top flight QB playing ahead of him, we have trash. We are basically parading garbage out there and calling it filet mignon

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Really what young QB can come here and be successful? It's hard enough to play QB at a great organization. But when you have to deal with piss poor management that makes it almost impossible. Cousins saw the nonsense and forced his way out of this pile of mess.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233705]That is a bad comparison because of Murray's mobility and threat to run, you have to defend Murray much differently than Haskins. Until he gets the mental part of the NFL game down Murray can rely on his athleticism to get by until enough film is gathered on him. Relying on athleticism until the rest of his game develops isn't an option for Haskins.[/quote]


[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1233720][B]50 TDs in a college conference where they actually play defense is nothing to sneeze at.[/B] Best way to learn on the job is to actually do the job. It isn't like we have a top flight QB playing ahead of him, we have trash. We are basically parading garbage out there and calling it filet mignon[/quote]

No arguing that point, but often a QB's great college stats can be meaningless due to the fact he is playing on a team that usually has a huge talent edge over opponents. Ohio State had 9 total players drafted and 6 of those were on offense. That number was only exceeded by Alabama having 10. How many USC quarterbacks put up great numbers in college only to fail in the NFL?

The numbers a player puts up in college do not dictate readiness to play in the NFL. Haskins poor footwork and needing work on protecting himself better doesn't need to be done while risking his confidence and health.

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[quote=MTK;1233717]Such an odd narrative that's out there right now.[/quote]

That is a weird one, like Schneed said and common sense shows, Jones wasn't there when we drafted so how could we take Haskins over him

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233726]No arguing that point, but often a QB's great college stats can be meaningless due to the fact he is playing on a team that usually has a huge talent edge over opponents. Ohio State had 9 total players drafted and 6 of those were on offense. That number was only exceeded by Alabama having 10. How many USC quarterbacks put up great numbers in college only to fail in the NFL?

The numbers a player puts up in college do not dictate readiness to play in the NFL. Haskins poor footwork and needing work on protecting himself better doesn't need to be done while risking his confidence and health.[/quote]

I look at each individual player. Haskins was the best player on that Ohio State offense last year. I still go back to you cannot tell me that Colt McCoy and Case Keenum at 0-5 with a lost season have more to gain from playing than Haskins does. Whether he is "ready" or not is poppycock, what rookie is 100% ready? The man needs to learn on the job to see what we have and Miami is the perfect team to do that against. What do we have to lose? Dropping to 0-6?????

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It just goes to show how delusional this organization is...they're still focused on "winning games" right now, like the season isn't lost and they are still in the playoff hunt. Case and Colt give the team the best chance to win against Miami...sure...but who cares? Maybe they realize that this game is the only possible one left to win so they don't go 0-16...because 1-15 is much better??? (rolls eyes) Maybe Haskins turns into something great, maybe they hire the coach that turns it around...but I'm not expecting either of those things to happen. 2 to 3 years from now we'll be doing this all over again.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1233658]If we hadn't drafted Haskins with the 15 pick this year, just imagine the fan reaction.[/quote]

I can't imagine it being any worst then it is now. If you as a nfl team are drafting solely on fan reaction well you end up with the quality of a team like the deadskins.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1233704]When we got Haskins at 15 everyone on this board was thrilled and we got As from most pundits. He's not coming along quickly. But it's also too soon to label him a bust.[/QUOTE]

"some" isn't spelled e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e.

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Personally I wasn't thrilled with the Haskins pick, especially knowing it was Snyder's call.

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I was excited just because it was something to be excited about. So little excitement here.

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Heard too many experts say he wasn't going to be ready, plus 14 teams passed on him, several with QB needs. I recall Cooley being very lukewarm on him.

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I think a lot of us were just happy they didnt trade a bundle to move up and get him. I was "fine" with the Haskins pick at 15.

Payne over Derwin James still pisses me off though. Compound the angts by giving an in the box Landon Collins 45M guar over the next 3 years. Collins seems to stay healthy though which can not be discounted.