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[quote=Chico23231;1237248]I think with his contract we are essentially stuck with Alex next year, so the Skins and Alex must make sure tho he can only play if 100% healthy and he must understand he is the back up/mentor to Haskins.

This is why Eric Bieniemy intrigues me as a HC prospect...Him and Alex are a "system match" to surround Haskins. You could keep O'Connell as OC and grab the best DC on the market.[/quote]

I'm not sold that Callahan won't be the HC next yr

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[quote=Irrefutable;1237245]One great player is not going to turn things around. How much impact did Sherff have?[/quote]

It is debatable whether Scherff was a good pick and certainly hasn't lived up to where he was drafted (which is not his fault) But a Nick Bosa or Von Miller type edge rusher can define a defence...... or an elite LT that the QB has faith will keep his blindside clean can help the offence go.

After watching the first half Sunday a centre who can snap the ball higher than 6 inches would very useful aswell

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237250]I'm not sold that Callahan won't be the HC next yr[/quote]

Seriously don't fucking say this

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237250]I'm not sold that Callahan won't be the HC next yr[/quote]


[quote=Chico23231;1237252]Seriously don't fucking say this[/quote]

No kidding, that isn't even funny.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1237251]It is debatable whether Scherff was a good pick and certainly hasn't lived up to where he was drafted (which is not his fault) But a Nick Bosa or Von Miller type edge rusher can define a defence...... or an elite LT that the QB has faith will keep his blindside clean can help the offence go.

After watching the first half Sunday a centre who can snap the ball higher than 6 inches would very useful aswell[/quote]

I judge the Scherff pick against what Leonard Williams has done. I would rather have Scherff. However, I never want to draft an interior O lineman in the top 10 ever again.
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The first round of the 2017 NFL Draft will start on Thursday. The Cleveland Browns are on the clock. Every team is hoping to draft a Pro Bowler but which picks perform the best in the NFL Draft?

To answer this question we looked at every draft since 2000 and tallied the number of Pro Bowlers and 1st Team All-Pro selections by round using Pro-Football Reference.

As you would expect 1st Round draft picks have generated the most Pro Bowlers. Since 2000, there have been 540 1st Round picks, 212 of them have been invited to the Pro Bowl. The Browns have two picks in the first round; some might consider it a win if Cleveland can get two starters, let alone a Pro Bowler.

The 2nd Round has produced a lot of great players in the last decade: Drew Brees, LeSean McCoy, Rob Gronkowski and LeVeon Bell just to name a few. Yet, compared to the 1st Round there is a clear drop off in talent. Out of 539 players only 90 have managed to reach a Pro Bowl and even fewer have been honored as 1st Team All-Pros.

The overall success of players continues to decline as one moves down the draft. Just 44 players have been selected to a Pro Bowl that were drafted in the 3rd Round.
[url]https://www.betlabssports.com/blog/picks-perform-best-nfl-draft/[/url]

And if you look at the top 15 picks of the first round vs 16-32 .... you are much more likely to land an elite player picking in the top 5 or 10 (obviously).

I do not want us trading out of the top 10 ... this team hasnt proven it can find quality 2nd or 3rd rounders and its harder to screw up a top 5 or top 10 pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237249]I think 1 great pass rusher can significantly change a defense.[/quote]

It would help, however, the Redskins need LBs, CB, S too. and on offense, they need OL, TEs, RBs, WR, and a QB (backup)

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1237231]You say heart, I say stupidity.[/QUOTE]Can you please elaborate on that?

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Trade the Bengals Haskins, Trent Williams, and whatever else they want to get Burrow.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1237250]I'm not sold that Callahan won't be the HC next yr[/QUOTE]If Callahan becomes head coach for Redskins next year then I will be done with this team.

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[quote=GridIron26;1237263]If Callahan becomes head coach for Redskins next year then I will be done with this team.[/quote]

Its unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility. If Bruce Allen is still here, I think the team will have a hard time attracting a coach with a resume better than Callahan's.

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The best way to get better quickly is the QB. Put Mahomes on the Redskins and he could take this POS, trash, garbage, unmotivated, sloppy ass team and they'd win 7 or 8 games. Or at least we'd be in every game. A d-linemen can't do that. A LT can't do that.

Look at Murray? If you put Rosen back on that team they're not even competitive. Plug in Murray and they're taking one of the best teams in the league to OT. That isn't a real good team and they're in just about every game cause of him.

A real tough decision needs to be made going into the draft next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1237261]Trade the Bengals Haskins, Trent Williams, and whatever else they want to get Burrow.[/quote]

No one is going to make that trade. You're in fantasy land.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237266]No one is going to make that trade. You're in fantasy land.[/quote]

So the Bengals would not take a 2019 first round QB, elite LT, and something else, such as additional picks, to trade down one spot, where they could get Chase Young?

While I agree Haskins and Williams both being part of the deal would be unlikely, I do think there is a package of players or picks that could motivate the Bengals to trade down one spot - especially since they can still grab an elite player at 2.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237265]The best way to get better quickly is the QB. Put Mahomes on the Redskins and he could take this POS, trash, garbage, unmotivated, sloppy ass team and they'd win 7 or 8 games. Or at least we'd be in every game. A d-linemen can't do that. A LT can't do that.

Look at Murray? If you put Rosen back on that team they're not even competitive. Plug in Murray and they're taking one of the best teams in the league to OT. That isn't a real good team and they're in just about every game cause of him.

A real tough decision needs to be made going into the draft next year.[/quote]

I don't think it would be a tough decision to draft BPA, especially if that player is a QB.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1237267]So the Bengals would not take a 2019 first round QB, elite LT, and something else, such as additional picks, to trade down one spot, where they could get Chase Young?

While I agree Haskins and Williams both being part of the deal would be unlikely, I do think there is a package of players or picks that could motivate the Bengals to trade down one spot - especially since they can still grab an elite player at 2.[/quote]

The Redskins aren't trading Haskins cause they're not going to admit failure after one year. The Bengals aren't trading for Haskins cause the more he plays the more his value goes down. He was obviously overdrafted.

As far as Trent is concerned the only teams that are going to most likely interested are contending, win now type of teams, not a team in full rebuild.

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Snyder isn’t gonna trade Haskins. Nobody is gonna tell him he was wrong about Haskins this early

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There is a chance now that Tua decides not to come out. If he stays at Alabama, he's got a good shot at being #1 the following year, and getting a much bigger contract than he is likely to see if he enters the draft this year due to the injury. Go BPA and if Haskins doesn't pan out, perhaps we get the overall #1 in 2021 and grab Tua.

I still like the idea of possibly trading down from 1.1 or 1.2 to 1.3 or 1.4 if a team has the hots for Young, Burrows, or maybe even Herbert. Maybe we get a 2nd rounder and still draft Thomas at 1.3 or 1.4.

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Offense:

WR: McLaurin
WR: Harmon
Slot: Sims or Quinn
LT: New Starter Needed
RT: Re-sign Flowers (or new starter needed if we don't)
C: New Starter Needed
RG: New Starter Needed (Scherff has been terrible, not paying him 13 million)
RT: New Starter Needed (Moses is a bum and I think he brings the team down)
TE: New Starter Needed (and also another TE to go with Sprinkle as backups)
RB: Guice (Hopefully Love as 3rd down back)
QB: Haskins

Defense:

CB: Dunbar
SS: Collins
FS: New Starter Needed
CB: New Starter Needed
OLB: Sweat
ILB: New Starter Needed or Foster if healthy (keep 2 of the current guys as backups)
ILB: New Starter Needed (Don't think any of our ILBs are quality starters)
OLB: Kerrigan (although I would think about cutting him, especially if we draft Young)
DE: Payne
NT: Ioannidis
DE: Allen

I count 9 new starters needed in an ideal world, and possibly 10 if we cut Kerrigan. Not realistic to replace 9 guys usually, so a few of the guys I think should be replaced will still be here.

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Joe Burrow is having an incredible season, I've been on his bandwagon since week 1 but he's not the answer to our issues, Haskins also had 3 Big time throws while having 0 turnover worthy throws Sunday, meaning he put the ball in tight windows as accurate as u can. The Int was on Quinn no Haskins.

Why are u guys already giving up on him? Because we are losing? Sorry but Mahomes wouldn't be that great in DC, we don't have his OL and WR/TE talent

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237271]The Redskins aren't trading Haskins cause they're not going to admit failure after one year. The Bengals aren't trading for Haskins cause the more he plays the more his value goes down. He was obviously overdrafted.

As far as Trent is concerned the only teams that are going to most likely interested are contending, win now type of teams, not a team in full rebuild.[/quote]

This statement presumes Bruce is still here next year. I genuinely believe he gets fired, or at least moved to a role outside of football ops. I think Snyder goes after a big name and that big name is going to insist on total control as a condition of accepting the job.

Meaning all bets are off. And from the Bengals side, they would be fools not to consider offers to trade down one spot. They're in a rebuild mode, so they need all the help they can get.

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Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him

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[quote=Chico23231;1237281]Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him[/quote]

First, i was just throwing Haskins and Trent out there as options.

Maybe the Bengals had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on Haskins and WOULD have drafted him if he'd been there with one of those picks. You cant say they don't like Haskins at all simply because they didn't REACH even higher than Snyder to get him.

As far as Haskins' play, no, it hasn't been good, but he wasn't expected to be good right away. He had limited experience in college and was not viewed as NFL-ready. What we are seeing now is exactly what we thought we would see. I would imagine that his play so far is in line with the draft grades most teams had on him.

So basically, you can't say Haskins doesn't have ANY value in a trade. Josh Rosen was awful last year, had much less "upside" than Haskins, and the Dolphins still gave up a 2nd round pick for him. Its preposterous to think there aren't coaches out there who don't think they could mold Haskins into a top QB.

Ultimately, whatever we do with Haskins, it should not impact our desire to trade up to #1 to get Burrow. Find out what the Bengals want and then do it. That's my opinion anyways.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237281]Bengals woulda drafted Haskins last year if they wanted him. Haskins play hasn’t made them feel any regret for passing on him[/quote]

I think they really liked the Alabama tackle they drafted. (I did too.) Plus, I'm not sure they were quite ready to give up on Dalton at that time.

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[quote=Number44;1237284]I think they really liked the Alabama tackle they drafted. (I did too.) Plus, I'm not sure they were quite ready to give up on Dalton at that time.[/quote]

Word on the street Bengals really liked 1 QB and the Giants took him.

Only if our new HC 100% wants a new QB and doesn't see Haskins as the proper scheme fit should we move on from Haskins.

I really think Haskins deserves a second year and I rather only draft Chase Young in the top 3 OR move back in the first to get more picks. I like the Georgia tackle, but this NFL draft crop is full of great Tackle prospects.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1237283]First, i was just throwing Haskins and Trent out there as options.

Maybe the Bengals had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on Haskins and WOULD have drafted him if he'd been there with one of those picks. [B]You cant say they don't like Haskins at all[/B] simply because they didn't REACH even higher than Snyder to get him.

As far as Haskins' play, no, it hasn't been good, but he wasn't expected to be good right away. He had limited experience in college and was not viewed as NFL-ready. What we are seeing now is exactly what we thought we would see. I would imagine that his play so far is in line with the draft grades most teams had on him.

[B]So basically, you can't say Haskins doesn't have ANY value in a trade[/B]. Josh Rosen was awful last year, had much less "upside" than Haskins, and the Dolphins still gave up a 2nd round pick for him. Its preposterous to think there aren't coaches out there who don't think they could mold Haskins into a top QB.

Ultimately, whatever we do with Haskins, it should not impact our desire to trade up to #1 to get Burrow. Find out what the Bengals want and then do it. That's my opinion anyways.[/quote]

I actually can but I never did...so carry on with more trade scenarios. How about Trent Williams, Deez Nuts, for....

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[quote=Chico23231;1237286]I actually can but I never did...so carry on with more trade scenarios. How about Trent Williams, Deez Nuts, for....[/quote]

Jeez. I should have just said "Trade something to the Bengals for the #1 overall pick to draft Burrow." As i already said, I was including names as examples. Realistically, Trent will likely be traded long before the draft anyways.

But I don't see Haskins plus the #2 pick to draft Chase Young + something else as being a bad deal for the #1 pick.

Ultimately, my point is that I believe Burrow to be the kind of QB that doesn't come around very often. The draft is such a lottery and he looks like more of a sure thing than any QB in recent memory. With the #2 overall pick, we would have stronger trade ammunition than just about anyone else.

No matter how well Haskins plays the rest of the year, I think we need to do whatever it takes to get Burrow.

Hopefully, the Bengals stumble into a win or two so we end up with the #1 overall pick on our own. :)

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Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

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Forget about next year for one second .. if you were the head coach and needed one win the rest of year .. would you play Haskins or keenum?

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[quote=rocnrik;1237289]Forget about next year for one second .. if you were the head coach and needed one win the rest of year .. would you play Haskins or keenum?[/quote]

Are you saying the coach wants a win? I think we would be more likely to get a win with Case then with Haskins

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I’m just trying to figure are we really this bad or are we tanking.. I really thought firing Gruden was the answer .. I’m not sure now at all .. manusky would have made more sense to let go. I can’t believe this team has fallen this far with no end in sight .

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1237288]Donald Penn had the highest grade of any LT this week. We have not talked about him enough, dude has been damn good

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]How about overall in the season so far?

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65.0 Pass block grade which is solid for a guy who didn't even play much in 2 years

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Junkies called DH "Byron Leftwich or Jason Campbell"

LOL How do they have a show still?

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It is the worst show on a station of bad shows,

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I hope the 1-15 season forces Snyder to make a major change: Fire BRUCE or leave him as VP Prez but no GM duties. Then have hie a hard-charging, NFL-worthy HC who makes Snyder give him TOTAL CONTROL. I wonder if Snyder is desperate and/or smart enough to such a move. Until now he’s tried a wide range of HC, but insisted on having his lackey GM make personnel decisions. Can he give up control to bring in a PHD to change a 20 years of a total “amateur hour”.


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[quote=Warthog;1237304]I hope the 1-15 season forces Snyder to make a major change: Fire BRUCE or leave him as VP Prez but no GM duties. Then have hie a hard-charging, NFL-worthy HC who makes Snyder give him TOTAL CONTROL. I wonder if Snyder is desperate and/or smart enough to such a move. Until now he’s tried a wide range of HC, but insisted on having his lackey GM make personnel decisions. Can he give up control to bring in a PHD to change a 20 years of a total “amateur hour”.


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Yep, this ship has officially sunk. Its time to make changes everywhere.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1237294]Junkies called DH "Byron Leftwich or Jason Campbell"



LOL How do they have a show still?[/QUOTE]


Garbage



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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237250]I'm not sold that Callahan won't be the HC next yr[/quote]

Yeah, that whole "month between touchdowns" thing probably impressed Allen enough to get the recommendation. And the way that he just inserted Haskins in the lineup with no hiccups and gave him a smooth transition to the NFL would have every front office impressed.

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[quote=mooby;1237312]Yeah, that whole "month between touchdowns" thing probably impressed Allen enough to get the recommendation. And the way that he just inserted Haskins in the lineup with no hiccups and gave him a smooth transition to the NFL would have every front office impressed.[/quote]
Lets not let Kevin O'Connell slide on this either.
Boy wonder has done nothing with the passing game since he took over as OC.


Callahan looks like a tired old man forced to raise one of his grandkids.

He looks like he wants out.

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[quote=jamf;1237313]Lets not let Kevin O'Connell slide on this either.
Boy wonder has done nothing with the passing game since he took over as OC.


Callahan looks like a tired old man forced to raise one of his grandkids.

He looks like he wants out.[/quote]

I don't doubt that he might be a good HC someday, but today isn't that day. As a playcaller he's as green as Haskins.