The Too Soon 2021 NFL Draft Thread
 

Actually, sadly, it's usually never too soon with this franchise.

Figure here we can talk about all players, not just QB. If you want to talk individual QB traits, we still have the other QB specific thread available. This is for more general discussions.

Assuming we draft top 10, this would be the order I would currently draft guys.

1. QB - Justin Fields
2. QB - Trevor Lawrence
3. OT - Penei Sewell
4. QB - Zach Wilson
5. LB - Micah Parsons
6. WR - Ja'Marr Chase
7. CB - Patrick Surtain II
8. CB - Caleb Farley
9. TE - Kyle Pitts
10. OT - Samuel Cosmi

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QB
QB
QB
And another QB.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/29682741/projected-2021-nfl-draft-order-no-1-pick[/url]

ESPN currently projects us to pick 6th.

Ja'Marr Chase and McLaurin would be filthy.

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Who knows where they'll pick. Could be anywhere from 3 - 19, but more than likely in the top 10. I would prefer they go offense, but I'd be happy with any of these dudes if they are available at pick #___.

Whoever grades out the highest on their board.

Justin Fields
Micah Parsons
Penei Sewell
Patrick Surtain II
Kyle Pitts
Wyatt Davis
Caleb Farley

I would also take Ja'Marr Chase or Jaylen Waddle, but I'm hoping they address WR in free agency with someone like Allen Robinson or JuJu Smith-Schuster.

I can get excited about a WR corps that is comprised of McLaurin, Smith-Schuster, C. Sims, and S. Sims Jr.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmjtJanXcAMLXbN?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

SAME OLD DRAMA

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[URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-hot-or-not-second-half-predictions-qb-carousel-preview"]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-hot-or-not-second-half-predictions-qb-carousel-preview[/URL]

Matthew Stafford? Really? Not explicitly stated, but intimates we'd give up a draft pick for him. I'd venture it could be Alex Smith pt 2. I certainly wouldn't give up a 1st rounder that could bring in someone like Fields, Lance or Wilson.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1264995][URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-hot-or-not-second-half-predictions-qb-carousel-preview"]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-hot-or-not-second-half-predictions-qb-carousel-preview[/URL]

Matthew Stafford? Really? Not explicitly stated, but intimates we'd give up a draft pick for him. I'd venture it could be Alex Smith pt 2. I certainly wouldn't give up a 1st rounder that could bring in someone like Fields, Lance or Wilson.[/quote]

No interest in Stafford, he's not young anymore. I'm tired of journeyman QBs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1264996]No interest in Stafford, he's not young anymore. I'm tired of journeyman QBs[/quote]

If our draft position is not capable of taking the guy Rivera wants, that's what we might be looking at. I'd like our long term future at the position settled too but I'd rather do it without spending extra draft picks. Also how is Stafford a journeyman qb?

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[quote=mooby;1265000]If our draft position is not capable of taking the guy Rivera wants, that's what we might be looking at. I'd like our long term future at the position settled too but I'd rather do it without spending extra draft picks. Also how is Stafford a journeyman qb?[/quote]

I meant like a Mcnabb or Alex Smith. Should have said someone elses leftovers lol

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I'd be fine rolling with Stafford for a year or 2. Add a Sewell or Chase type stud on offense and add Stafford, we would instantly be a lot better next year. Doesn't even include FA or the rest of our picks.

Do not force the QB pick, if the talent doesn't match the pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1264994][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmjtJanXcAMLXbN?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

SAME OLD DRAMA[/quote]

Again, nothing has ever changed

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1264994][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmjtJanXcAMLXbN?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

SAME OLD DRAMA[/quote]

The world according to Junior Galette. Mmmmk. He's not bitter at all towards the NFL or Washington...

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Junior wasn't even on the team last year. He has no credibility regarding what anyone said or didn't say about Haskins. Some of you look for "drama".

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1264994][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmjtJanXcAMLXbN?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

SAME OLD DRAMA[/quote]

Umm...we only saw Junior Gallette about 1 time in 3 years.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1265007]Umm...we only saw Junior Gallette about 1 time in 3 years.[/quote]

I thought he was only here for one year anyway...

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Junior who?

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3: R1 P3 - OT Penei Sewell - Oregon
35: R2 P3 - LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
67: R3 P3 - QB Kyle Trask - Florida
78: R3 P14 - S Caden Sterns - Texas
105: R4 P3 - WR Nico Collins - Michigan
144: R5 P3 - CB Jaycee Horn - South Carolina
225: R7 P3 - TE Cary Angeline - NC State
241: R7 P19 - G Zion Johnson - Boston College

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All offense mock draft. I'm gonna be a 2021 draft expert by April.

3: R1 P3 - QB Zach Wilson - BYU
35: R2 P3 - OT Walker Little - Stanford
67: R3 P3 - C Josh Myers - Ohio State
77: R3 P13 - TE Hunter Long - Boston College
105: R4 P3 - WR Dazz Newsome - North Carolina
144: R5 P3 - G Sadarius Hutcherson - South Carolina
225: R7 P3 - TE Tony Poljan - Virginia
241: R7 P19 - RB Rakeem Boyd - Arkansas

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% of yards gained through the air in their Ohio State careers

Dwayne Haskins: 51.4%
Justin Fields: 71.9%

The "Ohio State QBs don't translate" narrative is lazy. Evaluate what Fields is actually doing in the offense

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Fields looked bad today.

Zach Wilson is growing on me tho

PFF College
@PFF_College
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Highest accurate pass % 20+ yards downfield
1⃣ Zach Wilson, BYU - 75%
2⃣ Sam Howell, UNC - 61%
3⃣ Trevor Lawrence, Clemson - 60.7%
4⃣ Kyle Trask, Florida - 59.3%


Also, I know PFF was shiting on Trask prior to the season...I think Trask has responded fairly well. I especially like Dan Mullen as his coach

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Wilson is the real deal, Trask has played great as well for sure.

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Be surprised if the order changes dramatically between now and end of season, particularly the Jets, Jags and Bengals going 1, 2 & 3. Bengals don't need a new QB (at least lets hope so for Burrow's sake) so even if the Jags get a win or two and move into the 3rd slot, I'd say Lawrence, Fields and Sewell are gone by the time we pick at 4 or lower, whatever order they go in.

If we do stay at 4, then I'd say go WR (Chase) or LB (Parsons), unless Zach Wilson surges up the board (in which case he might go at #2 or 3 instead of Fields?!).

Then what about picking up Darnold as QB 2 (or maybe even starter) if the QB we want isn't there at #4? If the Jets grab Lawrence he could go relatively cheaply and we could draft for the other glaring gaps in our arsenal without giving up too much draft stock for a QB or picking a lesser QB too high that turns into a reach.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1265904]Be surprised if the order changes dramatically between now and end of season, particularly the Jets, Jags and Bengals going 1, 2 & 3. Bengals don't need a new QB (at least lets hope so for Burrow's sake) so even if the Jags get a win or two and move into the 3rd slot, I'd say Lawrence, Fields and Sewell are gone by the time we pick at 4 or lower, whatever order they go in.

If we do stay at 4, then I'd say go WR (Chase) or LB (Parsons), unless Zach Wilson surges up the board (in which case he might go at #2 or 3 instead of Fields?!).

Then what about picking up Darnold as QB 2 (or maybe even starter) if the QB we want isn't there at #4? If the Jets grab Lawrence he could go relatively cheaply and we could draft for the other glaring gaps in our arsenal without giving up too much draft stock for a QB or picking a lesser QB too high that turns into a reach.[/quote]

I would take a chance on Darnold if we miss out on Wilson or Fields. I mean why not?

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I'd give the Jets one of our 3rd's for Darnold. Then we could build the rest of the roster with the other 7 picks. That might not get it done, but I'd offer it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265917][B]I'd give the Jets one of our 3rd's for Darnold.[/B] Then we could build the rest of the roster with the other 7 picks. That might not get it done, but I'd offer it.[/quote]

[url]https://youtu.be/wazTC2nmlBI?t=80[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1265919][url]https://youtu.be/wazTC2nmlBI?t=80[/url][/quote]

Lol. Love that scene/quote. Use it all the time.

Adam Gase is the new Bill O'Brien. He plays a major role in how fucked up the Jets are.

A 3rd for a recent former 1st round pick seems reasonable to me. Especially considering we have 2 of them.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265921]Lol. Love that scene/quote. Use it all the time.

Adam Gase is the new Bill O'Brien. He plays a major role in how fucked up the Jets are.

A 3rd for a recent former 1st round pick seems reasonable to me. Especially considering we have 2 of them.[/quote]

If that's your logic we should get a third for Haskins easy. Former first round pick, still young, plays the most important position.

The reality is both Haskins and Darnold were benched for performance. That diminishes their value greatly. Even if Gase gets fired Darnold is a lame duck qb with a new coaching staff that probably doesn't want him.

Both their values are tanked, I'd be surprised if us or the Jets got anything higher than a 5th.

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Yeah I'm not giving a 3rd for Darnold... 4th or 5th then we are are talking

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[quote=mooby;1265922]If that's your logic we should get a third for Haskins easy. Former first round pick, still young, plays the most important position.

The reality is both Haskins and Darnold were benched for performance. That diminishes their value greatly. Even if Gase gets fired Darnold is a lame duck qb with a new coaching staff that probably doesn't want him.

Both their values are tanked, I'd be surprised if us or the Jets got anything higher than a 5th.[/quote]

Maybe my value is a bit high. But Darnold is better than Haskins with more on field results. Whatever Darnold is worth, Haskins is worth at least a round lower.

I just don't want to force a QB pick again if the talent doesn't match the draft selection. Hopefully all options are still on the table.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265926]Maybe my value is a bit high. But Darnold is better than Haskins with more on field results. Whatever Darnold is worth, Haskins is worth at least a round lower.

I just don't want to force a QB pick again if the talent doesn't match the draft selection. Hopefully all options are still on the table.[/quote]

That was my point, if the value isn't there, pick need or trade down for a good package. And I doubt anyone offers the farm for the #4 or 5 pick.

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Here’s a list of available FA’s this off-season.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/an-early-look-at-2021-nfl-free-agents-dak-prescott-allen-robinson-headline-a-hit-or-miss-class-of-veterans/?fbclid=IwAR0wxtAqEFEsPcV0yJD3bPn6dh4HlZWb41wLIicohrMKO5Zba7RdlhuJHSY[/url]

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I'd consider Brissett if we don't draft our guy. He did OK before Rivers came in and he's mobile, which sets him apart from Haskins!

I'd be surprised if more than 1 or 2 of the top WR FA's are actually available, but I'd definitely take Robinson if the Bears don't sign him. I can see Godwin being available especially if TB extend Brown, but is he that much better than Sims as #2?

While I doubt David will be leaving TB if he is available I'd go after him.

Thinking that if we could sign 3 or 4 of the above, then draft could focus on QB, OL, another LB and DB. SD's 1st mock looks pretty good in that case :)

3: R1 P3 - OT Penei Sewell - Oregon
35: R2 P3 - LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
67: R3 P3 - QB Kyle Trask - Florida
78: R3 P14 - S Caden Sterns - Texas

There's talk elsewhere in here about TE but if Henry was available I'd snap him up. Not sure there's anyone else on that list I'd offer big money to though.

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No thanks to Brissett, there is a reason why Colts replaced him with a different QB. We need to start fresh with QB by drafting one if we have the opportunity. Although now there's news coming out that [URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-football-team-wants-qb-alex-smith-back-for-2021"]the team wants Smith to come back next year[/URL]. If Smith continues to play well for rest of the season, I would give him one more chance next year and have him mentor the rookie QB at the same time (i.e., Mahomes's rookie year).

Cam Sims isn't even close to Godwin's level, I would love to sign Godwin or Robinson although I'm not sure if both would want to come to WFT. I'm sure they will want to play for a SB contender team unless they are looking for a big contract. I would give Godwin a big contract, not Robinson.

I used to like Hunter Henry and I wanted WFT to sign him before Chargers tagged him, but now I'm not sure anymore - he seems like he cannot stay healthy for full season. I would absolutely love for WFT to sign Jonnu Smith! Smith is underutilized by Tenn, he has the talents and great with running after catches. I would choose Smith over every other available TEs.

As for defense, the only players I would go after is Lavonte David or Justin Simmons. I don't see any other FA defense players we should go after. We can attack this area in draft and UFA.

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Skinsfaninok...can u post any PFF info on the MLBs for the upcoming draft? Any analysis from guys playing currently who most likely will be in draft?

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[quote=Chico23231;1266335]Skinsfaninok...can u post any PFF info on the MLBs for the upcoming draft? Any analysis from guys playing currently who most likely will be in draft?[/quote]

Right now the top 4 guys at MLB are:

Zaven Collins - Tulsa
Kadofi Wright - Buffalo
Justin Hillard - OHST
Micah Mcfadden - Indiana

All are good options in the first round. I still hope to see a QB tho

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1266345]Right now the top 4 guys at MLB are:

Zaven Collins - Tulsa
Kadofi Wright - Buffalo
Justin Hillard - OHST
Micah Mcfadden - Indiana

All are good options in the first round. I still hope to see a QB tho[/quote]

The dude from Northwestern not there?

Thanks...

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Keep Alex Smith, draft Devonta Smith, WR Alabama to put beside Terry.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1265998]I'd consider Brissett if we don't draft our guy. He did OK before Rivers came in and he's mobile, which sets him apart from Haskins!

I'd be surprised if more than 1 or 2 of the top WR FA's are actually available, but I'd definitely take Robinson if the Bears don't sign him. I can see Godwin being available especially if TB extend Brown, but is he that much better than Sims as #2?

While I doubt David will be leaving TB if he is available I'd go after him.

Thinking that if we could sign 3 or 4 of the above, then draft could focus on QB, OL, another LB and DB. SD's 1st mock looks pretty good in that case :)

3: R1 P3 - OT Penei Sewell - Oregon
35: R2 P3 - LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
67: R3 P3 - QB Kyle Trask - Florida
78: R3 P14 - S Caden Sterns - Texas

There's talk elsewhere in here about TE but if Henry was available I'd snap him up. Not sure there's anyone else on that list I'd offer big money to though.[/quote]

I like that list but I don't see Parsons being there in Round 2.

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[quote=Chico23231;1266349]The dude from Northwestern not there?

Thanks...[/quote]

He's up there too but I think you could grab him in the 2nd or 3rd.. A lot will change of course after the combine.

Forgot Micah Parsons from PSU.. He's a stud

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Saw a mock draft where the Giants, ahead of us, took a QB in Round 1.

Jones hasn't been great.