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Ya know I wish I could say I don’t give a fuck...but this shit from day one hasn’t been handle right, including this policy. When I say it hasn’t been handled right I’ll include everyone from kap to other players to the players union to the nfl clubs to the ownership and especially the league.

Adam schefter was right today because now the media and fans will focus on whose not on the field game one for the national anthem....and not the storylines we should be following.

In a way, this policy is more a win for kap and protesters of whatever it is we are protesting today.

Shit show.

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Rather than limiting or hiding players, give the players media time after the anthem to highlight their sponsored charity or program. Spotlight 2 per game, one from each team, and wrap them around the anthem, and have all the players on field for the anthem.

Those who feel there are serious issues in the US are right, there are, let's shine the light on those who are putting their time and investments in helping the country move forward.

(new policy is going to blow up in everyone's face players owners and fans)

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David Stern, the former NBA commissioner, was an absolute gangster.

He knew what to fight about and what to look the other way on.

NOBODY gets suspended from the NBA for pot, because NOBODY gives two craps.

But he saw the anthem issue would be just that, an issue, when Chris Jackson started doing the protest. So he said you can sit, kneel, whatever, but your going to pay a fine, end of story. No issue. The NBA is super progressive on social issues but presents it in a way that doesn't alienate half of the fan base.

The red headed spokesape on the other hand probably wears velcro shoes so he doesn't need help getting himself out the door in the morning.

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This is great news. I’m glad they finally showed those “boys” who’s boss.
If this was the good ole days, we could put the fear of our almighty lord Jesus Christ in the “boys”.


/sarcasm

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[quote=Chico23231;1194827]Ya know I wish I could say I don’t give a fuck...but this shit from day one hasn’t been handle right, including this policy. When I say it hasn’t been handled right I’ll include everyone from kap to other players to the players union to the nfl clubs to the ownership and especially the league.

Adam schefter was right today because now the media and fans will focus on whose not on the field game one for the national anthem....and not the storylines we should be following.

In a way, this policy is more a win for kap and protesters of whatever it is we are protesting today.

Shit show.[/quote]



I tend to agree with you that this hasn't been handled right at all but I will say it has gone on way to long and I really don't give a shit what these guys do ,they don't influence anything in my life,they aren't that important.

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Forced patriotism always works out well.

OTOH, I'm looking forward to watching the entire Jets squad kneel this fall as a show of brotherhood.

I don't see any way this doesn't bring more attention to their cause.

And finally, it seems like the NFL just took a political cue from our president. To anyone not blind with patriotism, this has been about protesting mistreatment of POC by police. Instead, the narrative has been successfully co-opted into "they're disrespecting the military, and this country" by people who can't/won't empathize with the cause.

I think The Rog is going to learn a harsh lesson from this one. He should've left it up to individual teams to decide what they were going to do.

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It's fucking stupid, and that is all I have to say

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I’m cool with it, the football field isn’t the place for politics


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I think it's bullshit personally. I made my opinion last year while all this was going on, that i would rather see the NFL stop doing the anthem entirely so that there would be no distractions, nothing to take the focus away from FOOTBALL.

When i watch an NFL game, i only care about FOOTBALL. I don't care about politics, or the flag, or the anthem, or celebrities or any of that. I just want to see the on field action.

Forcing all players on the field to stand for the anthem, in my opinion, is taking away their constitutional right to peaceful demonstration. Patriotism cannot be "forced". Yes i am a veteran and I approve this message. Many of my battle buddies feel the same.

There are times where patriotic displays are appropriate and should be recognized, but i do not feel that before a football game is one of those times.

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Simple solution.

Stop playing the national anthem before games!

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Every major US sports league plays the anthem before games. Pretty dumb to ask them to stop.

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I disagree with this new policy.. It is pretty obvious the owners want to protect their profits and not experience Trump's wrath.. It is really sad how some people immediately twist Kaepernick and some players' purpose of kneeling from protesting about police brutality into disrespecting USA flag. NFL messed up with some events lately - concussion issues, cheerleader treatments, and this issue. This shows how weak NFL's corporate social responsibility strategy is..

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[quote=mooby;1194864]Every major US sports league plays the anthem before games. Pretty dumb to ask them to stop.[/quote]

I see what you did there. :D

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Hyporacy in full display.
This is protected:
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This was ok and unpunished at the Olympics:
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But this WAS punished severely:
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Sad that those trying raise public awareness of social injustice are punished and their intentions are high jacked by political hacks that try and change the narrative.
As a child I was falsely taught that what Juan Carlos and Tommie Smith did in the olympics was unpatriotic and wrong. Later I find out they were protesting and raising awareness of the beatings and killing of blacks during the civil rights movement,in the 60's. History later told the truth of what really was going on. The same will happen with Kapernick.

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I do not like the policy. Just make them stand and show some respect. If they do not want to, suspend them for 4 games. They have every right to protest, and the employer has every right to tell them to get bent.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. In this case, Kap is now out of work and has plenty of time to protest.

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I served over 20 years in combat arms units, been deployed alot. After seeing how people live and governments in alot of different countries across the world it reinforced the importance of the constitution and the bill of rights. I think it is flat wrong for sports to make a political stance. We have the right to say what we want. We have the right to assemble. We have the right to bear arms. We have the right to pursue happiness.

I believe there are more appropriate methods of protest in this case and would prefer the picked a more appropriate symbol. But I believe much more strongly that the players absolutely have the right to protest so I support the players.

The biggest problem this country has is the two major news networks citizens have access to make money by dividing people into red and blue, this and that. They make money by polarizing issues and demonizing opposing view points. It is not alot different than the yellow journalism of the Spanish American war....remember the Maine.

Extremism in any form is bad. When I run across a person who is supports entirely red or blue agendas I find them to be intolerant, close minded and unable to think for themselves. Every person I voluntarily spend time with support views from both sides of the spectrum.

The above two paragraphs are germane to the topic because this should not be an issue that requires a rule. The rules are in the constitution. This has been politicized by the media because it makes them money.

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[QUOTE=davy;1194856]Simple solution.



Stop playing the national anthem before games![/QUOTE]


Yeah but all the true patriots would be even more butt hurt if that happened

Just have the teams stay inside when it’s played

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I still say have a period of social awareness before the anthem, where the players can bring issues and solutions up. Then have everyone on field for the anthem. If the point is to raise awareness let's use Americas strengths to overcome our weaknesses.

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I agree with the changes the NFL made for a few reasons. It's not because of blind patriotism or anything of that matter. Quite frankly, the kneeling didn't affect me one way or another because I'm normally not even watching until kickoff happens. That said, the NFL was between a rock and a hard place.

1) They were losing money and viewers over people not standing for the anthem. While I don't consider it a disrespectful stance, I can understand why people feel it is disrespectful. When it comes down to it - people are not tuning in to watch because people are kneeling -- they sure as hell are tuning out because of the kneeling.

2) Most people can get behind the cause of keeping people from being assaulted/discriminated against. Leaving the ability to protest opens the NFL up to OTHER protests as well. You can't say it's okay to protest policy violence -- but then not allow players to protest other things. What if you have someone who wants to pose for Pro/Anti Abortion Rights? Pro/Anti Immigration Rights? Pick any Pro/Con stance and put it in there.

3) Lastly - the NFL isn't trying to silence anyone. Most of us, at our jobs would not be able to take a political stance in front of our customers, and we see significantly fewer than the NFL sees. However, in our off time we're free to use our money, time, and influence towards political causes if we like. NFL players are no different. In fact I bet owners and NFL Brass would even be willing to put forward some resources towards helping these causes.

TL;DR: Allowing protests during the anthem only causes the NFL to lose viewers - not gain them, the NFL then has to allow protests for other more controversial topics, and most of us every day folks wouldn't be allowed to make political stands at work.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194873]I still say have a period of social awareness before the anthem, where the players can bring issues and solutions up. Then have everyone on field for the anthem. If the point is to raise awareness let's use Americas strengths to overcome our weaknesses.[/QUOTE]



But the ultimate strength is the anthem. If you believe your country is letting you down than you show your country that. Holding up a sign and than standing up in support of your country says “ im upset, but at the end of the day I support what we are”. And they do not. Nor should they. I hate to sound repetitive but NOBODY is protesting soldiers or songs or our flag. They are protesting what America seemingly stands for. So until racism is 100% dead - or at least dealt with by swift justice they should keep kneeling.


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[QUOTE=Daseal;1194891]I agree with the changes the NFL made for a few reasons. It's not because of blind patriotism or anything of that matter. Quite frankly, the kneeling didn't affect me one way or another because I'm normally not even watching until kickoff happens. That said, the NFL was between a rock and a hard place.



1) They were losing money and viewers over people not standing for the anthem. While I don't consider it a disrespectful stance, I can understand why people feel it is disrespectful. When it comes down to it - people are not tuning in to watch because people are kneeling -- they sure as hell are tuning out because of the kneeling.



2) Most people can get behind the cause of keeping people from being assaulted/discriminated against. Leaving the ability to protest opens the NFL up to OTHER protests as well. You can't say it's okay to protest policy violence -- but then not allow players to protest other things. What if you have someone who wants to pose for Pro/Anti Abortion Rights? Pro/Anti Immigration Rights? Pick any Pro/Con stance and put it in there.



3) Lastly - the NFL isn't trying to silence anyone. Most of us, at our jobs would not be able to take a political stance in front of our customers, and we see significantly fewer than the NFL sees. However, in our off time we're free to use our money, time, and influence towards political causes if we like. NFL players are no different. In fact I bet owners and NFL Brass would even be willing to put forward some resources towards helping these causes.



TL;DR: Allowing protests during the anthem only causes the NFL to lose viewers - not gain them, the NFL then has to allow protests for other more controversial topics, and most of us every day folks wouldn't be allowed to make political stands at work.[/QUOTE]



Watch what happens to the ratings if they do not allow the first amendment to take place.


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[quote=punch it in;1194893]Watch what happens to the ratings if they do not allow the first amendment to take place.


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This is not a 1st amendment case. The government isn't silencing anyone. This is a private entity doing what's best for them by putting legal rules on their employees - the employees are free to do these activities when they're not working.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;1194894]This is not a 1st amendment case. The government isn't silencing anyone. This is a private entity doing what's best for them by putting legal rules on their employees - the employees are free to do these activities when they're not working.[/QUOTE]



It is a first amendment case in which the owners are silencing someone. Remember one thing also - anyone can serve a burger or chart spread sheets with a little bit of training. Not everyone can play football at such a high level. These players hold alot more weight than you think. Who is going to tune in for a strike? Nobody.


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[quote=punch it in;1194895]It is a first amendment case in which the owners are silencing someone. Remember one thing also - anyone can serve a burger or chart spread sheets with a little bit of training. Not everyone can play football at such a high level. These players hold alot more weight than you think. Who is going to tune in for a strike? Nobody.


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Uhhhh, it's not. When it comes down to it - players are free to leave and viewers are free to tune out. It won't happen. The first amendment states:

[quote]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/quote]

This is not being violated. You can not like the rule, and I understand why you dislike the rule. Everything about it is legal and I would guess that it would have significantly less ramifications than allowing the protests. Under the new rules, players ARE free to protest, but there will be a fine associated with it that they can pay if they like. My guess is the NFL will donate that money to charities that work on inequality issues.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;1194896]Uhhhh, it's not. When it comes down to it - players are free to leave and viewers are free to tune out. It won't happen. The first amendment states:







This is not being violated. You can not like the rule, and I understand why you dislike the rule. Everything about it is legal and I would guess that it would have significantly less ramifications than allowing the protests. Under the new rules, players ARE free to protest, but there will be a fine associated with it that they can pay if they like. My guess is the NFL will donate that money to charities that work on inequality issues.[/QUOTE]



By law you are correct but it is still a first amendment “issue” - maybe “case” was the wrong word to use. And again this is the NFL. Without the current 70% makeup of African Americans they have no product. The same can not be said for McDonalds. Those employees break the rules they simply hire new ones. The NFL players hold all the cards at the end of the day and there is no way they will follow suit with this bologna. No way.


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Next collective bargaining, if I’m the players I’m working now to let the everybody know we taking the owners to the woodshed. Save your damn money now.

And with me...it has nothing to do with the issue...which I have my own thoughts on...but this is strictly the process of which goodell has handled this and several other issues. It’s time for the players to take a stand.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1194897]By law you are correct but it is still a first amendment “issue” - maybe “case” was the wrong word to use. And again this is the NFL. Without the current 70% makeup of African Americans they have no product. The same can not be said for McDonalds. Those employees break the rules they simply hire new ones. The NFL players hold all the cards at the end of the day and there is no way they will follow suit with this bologna. No way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro[/QUOTE]So much wrong with this.
1) Clearly, the players do not hold all the cards. If so, they would have played them by now.

2) This has been made into a speech issue by the cynical media and an uninformed population because it is absolutely a work conduct issue. Players speech on the job is absolutely regulated on the job. Have you seen how the NFL regulates uniforms? There is no question that players could not put a "black lives matter" or "MaKe America great again" patch/button/sticker/piece of tape with crudely written magic marker message on their jerseys/helmets/socks/bandana/on bottom of their shoe.

This is an employee conduct issue. The NFL should have treated it as such. A simple rule like "During pregame ceremonies players shall stand in unison along the sideline. At such times, players shall remove their helmets, stand with their hands at their side or with their left hand over their heart." Then accompany it with the statement "In order to promote the NFL brand and consistent with the league's existing rules regarding conduct and aparrel, the NFL has decided to adopt a standard policy regulating sideline conduct during pregame ceremonies. Violations of the adopted conduct regulations will be treated in the same manner as uniform violations."

It's legal, it makes sense, and players who want to violate the conduct every game are going to start paying big fines in short order.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194899]Next collective bargaining, if I’m the players I’m working now to let the everybody know we taking the owners to the woodshed. Save your damn money now.

And with me...it has nothing to do with the issue...which I have my own thoughts on...but this is strictly the process of which goodell has handled this and several other issues. It’s time for the players to take a stand.[/quote]

I am rooting for a strike too, but for so many reasons other than the Anthem. I can't stand Goodell.

The average career is so short. The roster churn that results from such short careers really works against the players union being able to mount a sustained, united offensive.

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[quote=punch it in;1194897]By law you are correct but it is still a first amendment “issue” - maybe “case” was the wrong word to use. And again this is the NFL. Without the current 70% makeup of African Americans they have no product. The same can not be said for McDonalds. Those employees break the rules they simply hire new ones. The NFL players hold all the cards at the end of the day and there is no way they will follow suit with this bologna. No way.


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The problem with this logic, is there are players lined up to take their place and the players who would walk out or strike probably cannot make the same money in other careers.

They "need" their NFL job in the prime years.

I would never second guess someone from walking away or for cashing the checks, it's up to the individual to figure out what is best for them and their family.

The product would probably suffer briefly, but the owners and organizations are much better situated to weather the storm, even if it lasted for a whole season.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1194904]The problem with this logic, is there are players lined up to take their place and the players who would walk out or strike probably cannot make the same money in other careers.



They "need" their NFL job in the prime years.



I would never second guess someone from walking away or for cashing the checks, it's up to the individual to figure out what is best for them and their family.



The product would probably suffer briefly, but the owners and organizations are much better situated to weather the storm, even if it lasted for a whole season.[/QUOTE]



All depends on how they stuck together. Do you remember the scabs? It was awful. Lol. Again once the nfl sees the ratings dip next year they will abandon this racist policy anyway. I wont watch a single game, and it aint even a slightly hard decision to make.


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[quote=punch it in;1194905]All depends on how they stuck together. Do you remember the scabs? It was awful. Lol. Again once the nfl sees the ratings dip next year they will abandon this racist policy anyway. I wont watch a single game, and it aint even a slightly hard decision to make.


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The scabs were before my time.

I don't have any faith in the NFL players' union. They are the weakest union in all the major sports leagues.

If guys are still getting suspended for smoking pot in 2018, why would anyone think they could/would tackle something real?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1194907]The scabs were before my time.



I don't have any faith in the NFL players' union. They are the weakest union in all the major sports leagues.



If guys are still getting suspended for smoking pot in 2018, why would anyone think they could/would tackle something real?[/QUOTE]



Lol. I think this is something that will really hit home. They aren’t going to go to war over a blunt. This is different. They hold alot of power. They have to come together- and again after the bitch ass owners dont see a racist-...er uh ...ratings spike they will rethink that.


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[QUOTE=punch it in;1194905]All depends on how they stuck together. Do you remember the scabs? It was awful. Lol. Again once the nfl sees the ratings dip next year they will abandon this racist policy anyway. I wont watch a single game, and it aint even a slightly hard decision to make.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]... and I know several long time Ravens' fans that didn't watch a single game this year but have said they will now go back to watching games because the league "came down on the side of America." We'll see if ratings go up, down, or stay the same.

My guess is that as long as players AND owners forget we are watching sports for entertainment and not a lecture on political correctness from the left or the right, the ratings will continue to fall.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1194914]... and I know several long time Ravens' fans that didn't watch a single game this year but have said they will now go back to watching games because the league "came down on the side of America." We'll see if ratings go up, down, or stay the same.

My guess is that as long as players AND owners forget we are watching sports for entertainment and not a lecture on political correctness from the left or the right, the ratings will continue to fall.

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I do not know the Ravens fans you speak of, but id be willing to bet they never stopped watching. They, like Trump, talk a big game about being patriots but the are the furthest things from it.
I, on the other hand, promise you i will not tune in to anything where money comes before righteousness and as long as a bunch of rich white guys tell a bunch of black men that they may not “stand up” for social injustice- righteousness has left the building.


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Punch is triggered tonight

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I do know the Ravens fans of which I speak and they are well educated men and women who felt, just as strongly as you believe the opposite, that the pre game anthem was not the proper time or place to protest, respectfully or otherwise. I also guarantee you they did not watch any games, check scores or otherwise "cheat" on their convictions.

You are free to believe what you want, but demonizing those who do not think as you do and assuming that their motivations cannot be the product of reasoned thought persuades no one of the correctness of your views.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194916]Punch is triggered tonight[/QUOTE]



Not at all Chico. Enjoying the Yankee game with some friends and some beers. I will say if you are not triggered by the blatant racism that is trickling down into our country out of the White House these days than you need to work on your moral makeup. Good luck. [emoji106]


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194916]Punch is triggered tonight[/QUOTE]Yup. I have always known he is just another liberal SJW who believes that he is entitled to the moral high-ground and that all who disagree with his world view are either evil or stupid. Of course, since stupidity and evil are objectively bad, they must be eliminated root and branch. No worries punch, I am sure the New World Order you wish to install will eradicate the undesirables.

Yes. I am now just trolling him. Hard.

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