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SirLK26 12-31-2013 11:06 AM

34th Overall Pick
 
Now that we know where we'll be picking, who do you think the Redskins should take with their first selection? Should we go OL, WR, DB, DL, ILB, best player available at any position, or other? Personally, I see only one route to go: best non-LT OL available. We have a franchise QB, and we need to protect him; our current line does not do that. If a guy like Sammy Watkins, Jason Verett, or Trent Murphy falls to the second round, obviously we should take them. Otherwise, I think the smart route is OL.

Some names to consider, although some of these are projected as late first rounders or second rounders, so there's no telling how many will actually be available...

Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford

Zack Martin, OG, Notre Dame

David Yankey, OG, Stanford

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

Dion Bailey, S, Southern California

Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida State

Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama

Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

donofriose 12-31-2013 11:08 AM

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Best value available, especially since the Skins can improve at almost every position

MTK 12-31-2013 11:09 AM

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Best available within our needs, which are extensive. No reason we shouldn't be able to grab an impact player at the top of the 2nd rd.

RobH4413 12-31-2013 11:10 AM

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[quote=donofriose;1052431]Best value available, especially since the Skins can improve at almost every position[/quote]

Hahaha. Best value applies even more this year then most. Well said.

SFREDSKIN 12-31-2013 11:12 AM

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ILB Shayne Skov, can't miss pick, just as good as Kiko Alonso or even better.

SirLK26 12-31-2013 11:18 AM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1052435]ILB Shayne Skov, can't miss pick, just as good as Kiko Alonso or even better.[/quote]

ILB is certainly a need, but I think OL is far more important. RG3 can't keep taking huge shots behind a crappy offensive line, and having a true line he could stand behind and scan the field for a reasonable amount of time would go a long way in improving his game. But I think that Skov is a sure thing, and if offensive linemen go heavy in the first round, then selecting Skov would be fine.

SFREDSKIN 12-31-2013 11:23 AM

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The OL can be fixed with FA, we really need an ILB since fletcher retired. We can also draft an OL in the 3rd.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 11:42 AM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1052439]The OL can be fixed with FA, we really need an ILB since fletcher retired. We can also draft an OL in the 3rd.[/quote]

Also, is it just me or do you guys want to see us start taking our late-round OL from the "Linemen Farms" like Michigan/Iowa/Alabama? I think of LeRibeus and I think of Chad Rinehart from years ago and I really thought those were reaches (even though Rinehart is starting somewhere else I believe). Gettis was from Iowa and people keep saying he had shown a ton of promise.

Not saying all people drafted out of those schools are can't-miss prospects, but I feel like I see more of them working out than not. Not only that, I remember when Alex Mack came out he was considered the best center prospect to come out in years and he was taken like at the end of the first I believe? We should be able to get the second best, if not best, center with our second round pick. TONS of guard options also available which I thought was really our weak point. I say we adress RT in FA and suddenly the line is significantly improved.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 11:45 AM

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Also, we keep forgetting about Phillip Thomas at safety. We barely got to see him and he was highly regarded coming out of college.

Skinsfanatic 12-31-2013 11:48 AM

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We need to take the BPA. Or, with the second pick in the second round, make a trade back to pick up picks in the inevitable scramble to the front of round 2.

mooby 12-31-2013 11:49 AM

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I'm always a fan of BPA over drafting for need. And since we have so many needs there's probably a good chance that the BPA will fill a need for us anyways. The only spots where I don't see us needing an upgrade are qb and rb. Some would say TE but I feel like Jordan Reed is our only guaranteed player to return and with his concussion history I don't want to have to rely solely on him. Every other position needs help.

SFREDSKIN 12-31-2013 12:01 PM

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1052443]Also, is it just me or do you guys want to see us start taking our late-round OL from the "Linemen Farms" like Michigan/Iowa/Alabama? I think of LeRibeus and I think of Chad Rinehart from years ago and I really thought those were reaches (even though Rinehart is starting somewhere else I believe). Gettis was from Iowa and people keep saying he had shown a ton of promise.

Not saying all people drafted out of those schools are can't-miss prospects, but I feel like I see more of them working out than not. Not only that, I remember when Alex Mack came out he was considered the best center prospect to come out in years and he was taken like at the end of the first I believe? We should be able to get the second best, if not best, center with our second round pick. TONS of guard options also available which I thought was really our weak point. I say we adress RT in FA and suddenly the line is significantly improved.[/quote]

J D Walton was picked up as a C, I would move him to G and target Mack in FA if Cleveland doesn't resign him.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 12:19 PM

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[quote=mooby;1052447]I'm always a fan of BPA over drafting for need. And since we have so many needs there's probably a good chance that the BPA will fill a need for us anyways. The only spots where I don't see us needing an upgrade are qb and rb. Some would say TE but I feel like Jordan Reed is our only guaranteed player to return and with his concussion history I don't want to have to rely solely on him. Every other position needs help.[/quote]

I agree, but the only thing I don't want us taking is a WR. It's just such a damn crap-shoot with them (and SO many don't work out) that I'd hate to take what's considered a great pick just to find out they bust. I'd rather go with a DT or OL just because most, not all, have less likelihood of busting.

SirLK26 12-31-2013 12:36 PM

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1052451]I agree, but the only thing I don't want us taking is a WR. It's just such a damn crap-shoot with them (and SO many don't work out) that I'd hate to take what's considered a great pick just to find out they bust. I'd rather go with a DT or OL just because most, not all, have less likelihood of busting.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't want us taking a WR with our first pick either. OL first, then either DL or ILB. WR can wait until the 4th round, where L'Daimian Washington will hopefully still be available.

Schneed10 12-31-2013 12:36 PM

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Firm believer that you build from the trenches out. Doesn't have to be with this pick, but I want to see a lot of dollars invested in the offensive and defensive lines this offseason.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 12:51 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;1052456]Firm believer that you build from the trenches out. Doesn't have to be with this pick, but I want to see a lot of dollars invested in the offensive and defensive lines this offseason.[/quote]

Exactly. When was the last time we picked an offensive lineman early? Oh, that's right, our Pro Bowler Trent Williams. Jarvis Jenkins in the second, while not elite, has been solid for us. Also, like mooby says, as long as we hit, we should be able to pick any BPA and it'll be an improvement.

MTK 12-31-2013 12:56 PM

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The OL definitely needs revamping. When Allen said they were going to redefine some of the characteristics they look for in players I immediately thought of the OL. I can't wait to get away from this small OL and back to a group that can play power football and not get shoved back into the QB so easily.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 01:04 PM

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Amen. We've seen Morris can flourish no matter what's going on around him. Honestly, a power running scheme might even make him MORE awesome if that's even possible. I think we should also wait on an ILB in the draft unless a great one falls into our lap. We DO still have Keenan Robinson, albeit he is oft-injured.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 01:05 PM

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I'm thinking about the last time we had a REALLY great line. Chris Samuels, John Jansen pre-injuries, and that was kind of it. I know you can't have Pro Bowlers at every position, but I feel like year-to-year, we always have at least ONE goat on both sides of the ball. Wilson on D and Polumbus on O (Chester a close second). Remember the Warrick Holdman days? Maybe the worst linebacker who started for us in the past 10+ years.

Mechanix544 12-31-2013 01:39 PM

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we need 2 guards, a right tackle, a wr, a safety, an ilb and a cb.

how awesome would it be if we drafted all the above, and they ALL ended up being solid starters? God that would be incredible. Nice to dream.........

skinsfaninok 12-31-2013 01:44 PM

BPA no doubt, either OL or DB/ lB IMO

JoeRedskin 12-31-2013 01:44 PM

Well. we have a first in the bank when we trade Cousins. Oh wait ...

skinsfaninok 12-31-2013 01:54 PM

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1052491]Well. we have a first in the bank when we trade Cousins. Oh wait ...[/QUOTE]

Hopefully we can get a 3 for.him

Skinsfanatic 12-31-2013 02:02 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1052500]Hopefully we can get a 3 for.him[/quote]

If we can't get a second for him (or multiples like a 3rd and a 5th), we should keep him.

los panda 12-31-2013 02:03 PM

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1052506]If we can't get a second for him (or multiples like a 3rd and a 5th), we should keep him.[/quote]i second that emotion

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 02:09 PM

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I'd rather JUST a second (unless it's a second plus a later round pick), but obviously that won't happen unless someone is desperate. I actually really lean on the side of keeping him just in case.

Gary84Clark 12-31-2013 02:13 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1052491]Well. we have a first in the bank when we trade Cousins. Oh wait ...[/quote]

Maybe we get that 4th rounder back , else bring in back up qb competition. that last game was worse than anything Grossman has ever done.

WillH 12-31-2013 02:16 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1052460]The OL definitely needs revamping. When Allen said they were going to redefine some of the characteristics they look for in players I immediately thought of the OL. I can't wait to get away from this small OL and back to a group that can play power football and not get shoved back into the QB so easily.[/quote]

Totally agree . . . No more ZBS, and maybe Griffin will last a few seasons.

Lotus 12-31-2013 03:11 PM

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I'm with those who say that we use the #34 pick on the player that brings the greatest impact, whether they be at OL, ILB, S, CB...gawd we have many needs.

SirLK26 12-31-2013 03:14 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1052460]The OL definitely needs revamping. When Allen said they were going to redefine some of the characteristics they look for in players I immediately thought of the OL. I can't wait to get away from this small OL and back to a group that can play power football and not get shoved back into the QB so easily.[/quote]

I agree with this. Between Antonio Richardson, Xavier Su'a-Filo, Cedric Ogbuehi, and La'el Collins, we could find some hogs that would start immediately.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-31-2013 04:33 PM

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1052445]Also, we keep forgetting about Phillip Thomas at safety. We barely got to see him and he was highly regarded coming out of college.[/quote]


Richard Crawford also missed the entire season and I had a feeling he was going to be one of our starters as well.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-31-2013 04:35 PM

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1052463][B]I'm thinking about the last time we had a REALLY great line. Chris Samuels, John Jansen pre-injuries[/B], and that was kind of it. I know you can't have Pro Bowlers at every position, but I feel like year-to-year, we always have at least ONE goat on both sides of the ball. Wilson on D and Polumbus on O (Chester a close second). Remember the Warrick Holdman days? Maybe the worst linebacker who started for us in the past 10+ years.[/quote]


2005 was the last time I can say that our line was very good.

Samuels, Dockery, Rabach (before he sucked), Thomas (before he broke his leg against Dallas), and Jansen

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 04:49 PM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1052574]2005 was the last time I can say that our line was very good.

Samuels, Dockery, Rabach (before he sucked), Thomas (before he broke his leg against Dallas), and Jansen[/quote]

Ah! Nice memory. I remembered Rabach came in after we had some of the worst starting center play for years. Who was it? Raymer?

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-31-2013 04:52 PM

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1052577]Ah! Nice memory. I remembered Rabach came in after we had some of the worst starting center play for years. Who was it? Raymer?[/quote]


Yeah Cory Raymer, what a joke he was, I kinda hope we try and sign Alex Mack.

Defensewins 12-31-2013 04:52 PM

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The draft will be something to look forward to, but I am more looking forward to free agency and the cap space we get back. That is where we will really be able to fill the holes with some quality players if we are careful and lucky.\
Crazycanuck, so how much Cap space will we have to sign an OT, LB, CB, WR?

[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents-top-50-list/]NFL Trade Rumors - 2014 NFL Free Agents: Top 50 List NFL Trade Rumors - |[/url]

SirLK26 12-31-2013 05:10 PM

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[quote=Defensewins;1052579]The draft will be something to look forward to, but I am more looking forward to free agency and the cap space we get back. That is where we will really be able to fill the holes with some quality players if we are careful and lucky.\
Crazycanuck, so how much Cap space will we have to sign an OT, LB, CB, WR?

[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents-top-50-list/]NFL Trade Rumors - 2014 NFL Free Agents: Top 50 List NFL Trade Rumors - |[/url][/quote]

Signing Eric Decker in free agency would solve two problems right away: WR and KR. He won't be demanding big money and he's still fairly young, only 26. If we don't go to the draft to solve those problems, this is a guy we need to sign.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-31-2013 05:16 PM

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[quote=SirLK26;1052583]Signing Eric Decker in free agency would solve two problems right away: WR and KR. He won't be demanding big money and he's still fairly young, only 26. If we don't go to the draft to solve those problems, this is a guy we need to sign.[/quote]


Why would we have Decker return kicks???

Skinsfanatic 12-31-2013 05:19 PM

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[quote=Defensewins;1052579]The draft will be something to look forward to, but I am more looking forward to free agency and the cap space we get back. That is where we will really be able to fill the holes with some quality players if we are careful and lucky.\
Crazycanuck, so how much Cap space will we have to sign an OT, LB, CB, WR?

[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents-top-50-list/]NFL Trade Rumors - 2014 NFL Free Agents: Top 50 List NFL Trade Rumors - |[/url][/quote]

From that list, I want us to look at:


5. Alterraun Verner TEN CB 25
6. Jairus Byrd BUF S 27
8. Brian Orakpo WAS OLB 28
10. Jared Veldheer OAK OT 27
11. Aqib Talib NE CB 28
16. Eugene Monroe BAL OT 27
18. Brandon Spikes NE ILB 26
22. Alex Mack CLE C 28
23. Captain Munnerlyn CAR CB 26
24. Eric Decker DEB WR 27
26. Sam Shields GB CB 26
28. Hakeem Nicks NYG WR 26
31. Brent Grimes MIA CB 31
35. Vontae Davis IND CB 26
37. Jon Asamoah KC OG 26
46. Austin Howard NYJ OT 27

SirLK26 12-31-2013 05:23 PM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1052586]Why would we have Decker return kicks???[/quote]

Would you rather have Niles Paul, or Josh Morgan? Chris Thompson?

In Decker's rookie year, he returned 22 kickoffs for 556 yards, an average of 25.3. He would be better than anything we have right now.

TheMalcolmConnection 12-31-2013 05:44 PM

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I really don't mind Paul returning kicks. He's like Rock Cartwright, never going to break one, but runs north-south.

Damn, really bringing up some old school names today!


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