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AnonEmouse 05-12-2021 11:56 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1283623]Probably just a ST/depth move, but I HATE our 5th round pick tackling technique: [URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-safety-darrick-forrest?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Mark Bullock Darrick Forrest breakdown[/URL][/QUOTE]

Agreed, but I see all that as bad coaching. Admittedly you expect a S prospect out of college to be coached up in the basics of tackling and reading the field, but I see a guy who's fired up to go and make plays with his speed and ability to hit and hasn't been coached to bring technique and brains to the party and measure his play to what the opposition is doing.

i.e. Where he's out of position on that TD run, he should be coached up to read the OL at the snap, and check his movement so he doesn't get out of position. It looks like C1 Robber, so he has no need to drift across with the motion as the SS is dropping into the hole and will pick up the motion man if he turns upfield. He therefore has deep midfield coverage and run fit responsibility to his side. But he keeps moving even though there's no likely deep middle threat at the snap and that puts him out of position. With both guards firing out his first read there should be run, so plant and come downfield to the LOS and find the RB. Once he's out of position its too late.

Now if he sat down with the WFT coaches and they asked him what he did wrong there, if he said something along those lines, I'd say he's eminently coachable and his raw talent means he has real potential. If he can't see and correct those behaviours then he won't last long. Right now he still looks better than Apke!

FrenchSkin 05-15-2021 01:31 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1283674]Agreed, but I see all that as bad coaching. Admittedly you expect a S prospect out of college to be coached up in the basics of tackling and reading the field, but I see a guy who's fired up to go and make plays with his speed and ability to hit and hasn't been coached to bring technique and brains to the party and measure his play to what the opposition is doing.



i.e. Where he's out of position on that TD run, he should be coached up to read the OL at the snap, and check his movement so he doesn't get out of position. It looks like C1 Robber, so he has no need to drift across with the motion as the SS is dropping into the hole and will pick up the motion man if he turns upfield. He therefore has deep midfield coverage and run fit responsibility to his side. But he keeps moving even though there's no likely deep middle threat at the snap and that puts him out of position. With both guards firing out his first read there should be run, so plant and come downfield to the LOS and find the RB. Once he's out of position its too late.



Now if he sat down with the WFT coaches and they asked him what he did wrong there, if he said something along those lines, I'd say he's eminently coachable and his raw talent means he has real potential. If he can't see and correct those behaviours then he won't last long. Right now he still looks better than Apke![/QUOTE]

I'm with you that at least part of it is on coaching... But consistent tackling is part technique part instinct IMO. I want DBs that love wrapping people's ankles crocodile roll style.

Out of position is another deal, way more coachable IMO.

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CRedskinsRule 05-15-2021 01:38 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Listened to several post first practice interviews with the new draft class. While most of the questions/answers are fairly generic, but I was still impressed with the quality of answers, thoughtful and clearly expressed. If you want to watch a fun interview, watch Sammis Reyes interview.

Chico23231 05-15-2021 04:00 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Dyami Brown

Could be the steal of the draft. I know itís early but I think we could have knocked it out the park again with 3rd round WR.

NYCskinfan82 05-15-2021 06:07 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1283888]Dyami Brown

Could be the steal of the draft. I know itís early but I think we could have knocked it out the park again with 3rd round WR.[/quote]

yeah i know he looks good. I understand it's shorts and helmets but he looks krisp. Dy-namite Brown.

Chico23231 05-16-2021 09:02 AM

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1283889]yeah i know he looks good. I understand it's shorts and helmets but he looks krisp. Dy-namite Brown.[/quote]

[url]https://twitter.com/dckerNBC4/status/1393605504224661506[/url]

Watching him come out of breaks and his hands snatch it out the airÖhe never waits for the ball to get there, he goes and gets it.

Of course, the video in the Twitter feed go to 14 seconds

sdskinsfan2001 05-16-2021 10:16 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
He's a stud. What a steal. Gladly would have taken Brown in the 2nd round.

CRedskinsRule 05-16-2021 10:28 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Off season koolaid, but our team has speed everywhere!!!

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Monkeydad 05-17-2021 11:07 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=Chico23231;1283892][url]https://twitter.com/dckerNBC4/status/1393605504224661506[/url]

Watching him come out of breaks and his hands snatch it out the airÖhe never waits for the ball to get there, he goes and gets it.

Of course, the video in the Twitter feed go to 14 seconds[/quote]

Who is the QB wearing #1? He looks good. :goodjob:


Apparently Jordan Ta'amu, the guy who once beat out Taylor Heinicke for a job.


[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/washington-brings-xfl-qb-taylor-heinicke-backed-rookie-minicamp[/url]

[B][SIZE="4"]WFT brings in XFL QB Heinicke backed up for rookie minicamp[/SIZE][/B]

Monkeydad 05-17-2021 11:36 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Rookie numbers!


Camaron Cheeseman 54 - HIDING FROM THE PUBLIC! No you may not have #33.




Jamin Davis
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.clubs.nfl.com%2Fimage%2Fprivate%2Ft_editorial_landscape_12_desktop%2Fredskins%2Ffq1tmjfblp3tepb4gbbx&f=1&nofb=1[/img]


Sam Cosmi
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.clubs.nfl.com%2Fimage%2Fprivate%2Ft_editorial_landscape_12_desktop%2Fredskins%2Fbckaficghh1ytpsycnxx&f=1&nofb=1[/img]

Dyami Brown
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fny%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FXGula3PLzQukRyZ96unZCw--%2FYXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU0MS45NzU5NTM5OTg5NTQ1%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fuu%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FETaVbs6fYxzdOEtIzdYY1w--~B%2FaD0xMDgwO3c9MTkxMzthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2Fa6bd48e844af82aea954dd5ad8672be7&f=1&nofb=1[/img]


Benjamin St-Juste (couldn't find a WFT photo but flip that W and they're awesome new uniforms for us)
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.radio-canada.ca%2Fq_auto%2Cw_635%2Fv1%2Fici-info%2Fsports%2F16x9%2Fbenjamin-st-juste-football-universite-minnesota-purdue.jpg&f=1&nofb=1][/img]

Darrick Forrest
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1XuceVXMAci2Sh?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]

John Bates
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1XucreWYAIA6Gs?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]

Dax Milne
[img]https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/05/14172038/AP21134758996479-1024x683.jpg[/img]

William Bradley-King
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com%2Frichmond.com%2Fcontent%2Ftncms%2Fassets%2Fv3%2Feditorial%2F5%2F12%2F512a4fcd-eb0b-5ac4-9dd0-cfaea20a5bf9%2F609ececdd0cf3.image.jpg%3Fresize%3D1476%252C984&f=1&nofb=1[/img]

Shaka Toney
[img]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FmX3lkdqguy0%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1[/img]

Jaret Patterson
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1YXMraXEAAryK9?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

Monkeydad 05-17-2021 11:41 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Plus -
Sammis Reyes
[img]https://static.www.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album/f_auto/league/mwiuepvgf5lal0w1xkiw.jpg[/img]

Monkeydad 05-17-2021 03:24 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Might as well post the D video too.

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Chico23231 05-17-2021 03:34 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=Monkeydad;1283941]Might as well post the D video too.

[YT]aPsV_itto18[/YT][/quote]

Know you love those d videos

WCommandersfan99 05-17-2021 10:32 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
I am so pumped about this draft class. I could literally see every draftee making a real contribution to this team. The potential is through the roof. Loving it.

Hail WTF!!

GridIron26 05-18-2021 08:49 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
The training camp hasn't started yet and we are already swimming in the kool aid..

BaltimoreSkins 05-18-2021 09:07 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=GridIron26;1283958]The training camp hasn't started yet and we are already swimming in the kool aid..[/quote]

Nothing like guys running around in shorts and Chico making d jokes to get the kool aid flowing

MTK 05-18-2021 09:15 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Hype train is definitely rolling.

CRedskinsRule 05-18-2021 09:19 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[QUOTE=MTK;1283966]Hype train is definitely rolling.[/QUOTE]No better life than being a hobo on the hype train of life.. Just waiting for us to pull into bandwagon station and start picking up the stragglers on our way to SoFine stadium.

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kppk28 08-23-2021 11:25 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
B also,

Was really hoping for a LB and despite only 11 games I think that has to lend itself to the upside.

Remember guys like Joel Embiid who had only played a few years of bball and was projected 1 before his injury.

skinsfaninok 12-22-2021 09:49 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Cosmi was a hit, Jamin Davis has been NOWHERE near worth a top 20 pick.

MTK 12-22-2021 09:54 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Bates has shown he can play. He's got some nice potential I think.

Chico23231 12-22-2021 10:00 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=MTK;1305267]Bates has shown he can play. He's got some nice potential I think.[/quote]

I really think heís been quietly good. Heís been a great blocker. He fills that TE2 role well.

Just hoping Logan returns healthy

Chico23231 12-22-2021 10:01 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1305263]Cosmi was a hit, Jamin Davis has been NOWHERE near worth a top 20 pick.[/quote]

Davis needs more seasoning. I think veteran presence is needed in that group and itís NOT Bostic

BaltimoreSkins 12-22-2021 10:17 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=Chico23231;1305272]Davis needs more seasoning. I think veteran presence is needed in that group and itís NOT Bostic[/quote]

Yeah it is a headscratcher choosing a first round project pick and then not having the field leadership to help scaffold the player. I think they thought RR and JDR would fill that niche.

Chief X_Phackter 12-22-2021 11:02 AM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
It's too early to draw too many conclusions about J Davis. He has all the tools, and could still be a good player with some more experience. He barely played the first six games, and even with the state of that position group, there are only a few games since then that he was on the field for the majority of defensive snaps.

MTK 01-05-2022 02:06 PM

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@JHawkChalk_
3h
Can #WashingtonFootball fans give some love to John Bates?

1st in the NFL in @PFF Run Blocking Grade for TEs
12.8 Yards Per Reception (9th in the NFL for TEs)
13th most receiving yards among rookie WRs & TEs

Not bad for a day 3 rookie with limited college production.

mredskins 01-05-2022 02:12 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=MTK;1307063]@JHawkChalk_
3h
Can #WashingtonFootball fans give some love to John Bates?

1st in the NFL in @PFF Run Blocking Grade for TEs
12.8 Yards Per Reception (9th in the NFL for TEs)
13th most receiving yards among rookie WRs & TEs

Not bad for a day 3 rookie with limited college production.[/quote]

was hoping for more of a Mark Andrews out of him

GridIron26 01-05-2022 02:12 PM

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Nice!

MTK 01-05-2022 02:21 PM

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[quote=mredskins;1307064]was hoping for more of a Mark Andrews out of him[/quote]

As a rookie? That's a big ask.

Andrews had 34 catches as a rookie just for some perspective.

Chico23231 01-05-2022 02:32 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=MTK;1307063]@JHawkChalk_
3h
Can #WashingtonFootball fans give some love to John Bates?

1st in the NFL in @PFF Run Blocking Grade for TEs
12.8 Yards Per Reception (9th in the NFL for TEs)
13th most receiving yards among rookie WRs & TEs

Not bad for a day 3 rookie with limited college production.[/quote]

Itís been a nice surprise, but you can really see the growth in his game since the beginning of the season.

Really hoping Logan Thomas can come back healthy cause those 2 TE sets could be nasty.

mredskins 01-05-2022 02:40 PM

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[quote=MTK;1307068]As a rookie? That's a big ask.

Andrews had 34 catches as a rookie just for some perspective.[/quote]

jokes

BaltimoreSkins 01-05-2022 02:41 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=Chico23231;1307075]Itís been a nice surprise, but you can really see the growth in his game since the beginning of the season.

Really hoping Logan Thomas can come back healthy cause those 2 TE sets could be nasty.[/quote]

We have the pieces there just need that QB. It is amazing how important that franchise QB is. Saints won the division went 12-4 last year. You lose Brees and they are us.

Chico23231 01-05-2022 02:54 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1307080]We have the pieces there just need that QB. It is amazing how important that franchise QB is. Saints won the division went 12-4 last year. You lose Brees and they are us.[/quote]

Iím really hoping Samuel and Thomas can put these injuries behind them because look at rooster of skill positions itís young but solid.

Starting outside receivers Terry and Cam Sims with Samuel in slot

Logan Thomas and Bates at TE

Brown, Dax, Reyes developing. And bring back RSJ vet TE for competition and to take out camera men

We just need competent QB play

sdskinsfan2001 01-05-2022 04:02 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Looks like they definitely hit right on Bates. Legitimate No. 2 TE with possible starting potential. That'll work where he was drafted.

mooby 01-05-2022 06:02 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Too early to give up on Jamin Davis - I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next year on the outside and with a hopefully competent mike teaching and directing him where he needs to be.

Cosmi has been good - when he's on the field. Hoping for less injuries next year.

Dyami Brown needs more seasoning - plus I'd like to see what he does with a competent QB playing.

Bates has been the surprise of the rookie class, he was touted as a good blocker coming out of college but his hands have been a pleasant surprise. We might finally have a decent backup behind Logan Thomas for once.

AnonEmouse 01-05-2022 06:40 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
Q - are we the only NFL team with every single '21 draft pick still on the roster? If we are, while it's not a ringing endorsement, it's certainly a positive.

sdskinsfan2001 01-05-2022 09:38 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=mooby;1307097]Too early to give up on Jamin Davis - I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next year on the outside and with a hopefully competent mike teaching and directing him where he needs to be.

Cosmi has been good - when he's on the field. Hoping for less injuries next year.

Dyami Brown needs more seasoning - plus I'd like to see what he does with a competent QB playing.

Bates has been the surprise of the rookie class, he was touted as a good blocker coming out of college but his hands have been a pleasant surprise. We might finally have a decent backup behind Logan Thomas for once.[/quote]

Cosmi is going to be our starting left or right tackle for the next 10 years.

Brown was a project type WR for the NFL, given his college offense. I still think he's going to be a good one.

rocnrik 01-05-2022 10:08 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
I canít believe it took most of the season to figure out Davis would be better outside and that Collins would be a lot better as a hybrid DB/LB.. they never did fix the pass rush .. in fact Chase went backwards in production .. So as we give out grades letís grade the Coaches .. JDR gets a D the only reason itís not a F is injuries/covid ..

Chief X_Phackter 01-05-2022 11:16 PM

Re: Post draft breakdown
 
[quote=rocnrik;1307120]I canít believe it took most of the season to figure out Davis would be better outside and that Collins would be a lot better as a hybrid DB/LB.. they never did fix the pass rush .. in fact Chase went backwards in production .. So as we give out grades letís grade the Coaches .. JDR gets a D the only reason itís not a F is injuries/covid ..[/quote]

He gets a P from me.

I can't grade the man after all that happened. I doubt he ever had the same starting lineup two weeks in a row this year. The D played really well in some stretches, and the D played really bad in some stretches. Fix that LB unit, add a legit safety, and bring back that D-line and I think they will be fine.


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