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MTK 09-16-2019 02:48 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43

SunnySide 09-16-2019 02:56 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
I honestly dont put any stock in "3-4 v 4-3" because we, like the entire league, are in nickel the most. I dont think the coaches on the Skins care about a potential player fitting 3-4 or 4-3 either.

I do wonder if we somewhat misuse edge guys. Sweat, Preston Smith and (to a degree) Ryan Anderson should be hand in dirt players and not hybrid asked to cover the flat or RB out of the back field and definitely under no circumstances asked to cover the slot.

2018 we were in base 34% and nickel 63%.

"11" personnel has been the thing for a few years now. It spreads the ball out, you can get your slot guy covered by a LB sometimes, you can put guys in motion to see how the D shifts, can bring a defender from the LOS and open some run gashes.

Defensive Personnel Frequency
Team Base Rk NickelRk Dime+Rk
CLE 66% 1 31% 29 1% 27
LAR 58% 2 37% 25 2% 23
CAR 50% 3 49% 20 0% 32
IND 42% 4 44% 23 11% 14
DEN 41% 5 27% 32 30% 5
PIT 38% 6 36% 26 24% 7
HOU 38% 7 34% 28 24% 8
NYJ 37% 8 53% 18 8% 16
MIA 36% 9 60% 14 1% 25
SF 36% 10 45% 22 15% 10
TB 36% 11 62% 11 0% 30
OAK 35% 12 57% 16 7% 17
[B]WAS 34% 13 63% 10 2% 24[/B]
JAX 33% 14 66% 6 0% 29
BUF 33% 15 66% 5 0% 31
BAL 30% 16 40% 24 28% 6
Team Base Rk Nickel Rk Dime+ Rk
CHI 30% 17 64% 9 5% 20
CIN 30% 18 67% 4 1% 26
TEN 30% 19 64% 8 5% 19
DET 29% 20 52% 19 15% 11
NYG 29% 21 60% 15 11% 13
SEA 29% 22 68% 3 3% 21
KC 27% 23 29% 30 42% 3
ARI 27% 24 65% 7 7% 18
PHI 27% 25 60% 13 10% 15
LAC 26% 26 27% 31 46% 1
DAL 25% 27 55% 17 20% 9
ATL 24% 28 72% 2 2% 22
NO 23% 29 61% 12 13% 12
GB 23% 30 34% 27 42% 2
MIN 21% 31 77% 1 0% 28
NE 15% 32 48% 21 37% 4
Avg 33% -- 52% -- 13% --

I cant post links yet so I cut n pasted from football outsiders

edit - 2017 stats, NOT 2018 .. apologies

skinsfan69 09-16-2019 03:09 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
They've been running a lot of 4 man fronts where Sweat and Kerrigan are basically 4-3 ends w/ their hand in the dirt. I really didn't see too many base 3-4's yesterday. So to me it really isn't an issue. The issue is lack of coverage skills and a total lack of a pass rush.

skinsfan69 09-16-2019 03:13 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230424]Nicholson - Fast, zero discipline
Apke - Fast, not very good
Moreau - Fast and injured

Speed is definitely a concern. Even with the speed guys we have, we have issues.[/quote]

It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

SunnySide 09-16-2019 03:19 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1230452]It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.[/quote]

Apke at corner? Hes a project at safety projected to be out of the league in 3.3 years

sdskinsfan2001 09-16-2019 03:24 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1230452]It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.[/quote]

Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.

calia 09-16-2019 03:31 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
But for Miami’s “defense,” we’d be worst in the league. I know it has been only 2 games, but still....


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Kope 09-17-2019 08:51 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=MTK;1230445]One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43[/quote]

This. In the NFL all teams are multiple front. Yes there is a base look, but the majority of the game is played in sub packages specific to the opponent that week.

A way to look at base is how the defense sets up an offense up; to provide tendencies and then break them.

EARTHQUAKE2689 09-17-2019 09:16 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230454]Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.[/quote]

A good old 4th round pick wasted on him. He is great in Madden though lol

DYoungJelly 09-17-2019 08:48 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[QUOTE=MTK;1230445]One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43[/QUOTE]What percentage of snaps are you comfortable with Kerrigan or Sweat dropping in coverage?

My answer is zero, none, never ever.

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DYoungJelly 09-17-2019 08:54 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
I would much rather be a single gap defense than a two gap.

When you see our D line at the snap they don't burst forward with their initial step. They extend their arms and read the play.

The cowboys d line crashed into our o line at the snap causing havoc and pressure.

We have talent but I don't think we use it correctly.

Even in Nickle, I don't think they are coached to burst like the cowboys are.

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sdskinsfan2001 01-02-2020 12:10 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
4-3!! Yes!!! I know MTK is with me. 😂😂😂

jamf 01-02-2020 01:35 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230454]Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.[/quote]

Exactly! He's been a great pick for just his ST contributions alone. Is every draft pick expected to be a starter? He fills the role as secondary backup and special teams coverage ace. We got 2nd round picks as backups (anderson). Apke was drafted in the appropriate spot.

los panda 01-24-2020 02:00 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
[B]DE[/B] Sweat, Young
[B]DT[/B] Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
[B]DE[/B] Allen, Ioannidis
[B]DT[/B] Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?

Chico23231 01-24-2020 02:42 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=los panda;1243524]Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
[B]DE[/B] Sweat, Young
[B]DT[/B] Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
[B]DE[/B] Allen, Ioannidis
[B]DT[/B] Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?[/quote]

Its a good question, but what it can be is many things based on situation and packages. Based on down and distance and game plan it will give us the flexibility to match up better with the opposing offense. At the least it gives us a good rotation. You could go heavy removing a LB adding a lineman against a power run team...against a pass heavy team we could go less Payne more Matty I. Its a good problem to have and our D-line and its depth is a major strength with Chase Young there.


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