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Meks 01-24-2020 02:44 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
with a fresh coordinator and scheme and a much better defensive mind this roster should crush it.

JoLo 01-24-2020 03:50 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[QUOTE=los panda;1243524]Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?



Would the line look like this?

[B]DE[/B] Sweat, Young

[B]DT[/B] Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)



Or more like this?

[B]DE[/B] Allen, Ioannidis

[B]DT[/B] Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)



Or something in between?[/QUOTE]



I think the answer is simple. They’ll be defensive ends primarily. Del rio will have them with their hands in the dirt in every situation possible. He already made comments about guys who are best going after the qb need to be doing that as much as possible

Defensewins 01-24-2020 03:52 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=los panda;1243524]Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
[B]DE[/B] Sweat, Young
[B]DT[/B] Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
[B]DE[/B] Allen, Ioannidis
[B]DT[/B] Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?[/quote]

Rotation, situational substitution, resting players and keeping them fresh. Yes, yes, yes. For example I do not want Sweat on the field on an obvious run play. But a pass play he needs to be in there. With all of the talent we have and if we add Young and keep Kerrigan, this front seven will be much improved.
But the greatest room for improvement and will hopefully be most notable on the field is what Meks is saying, we FINALLY have a defensive coaching staff that knows what they are doing. Our coaches have been so bad for so long.

SFREDSKIN 01-25-2020 12:24 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
Sweat, Young at DE, Kerrigan (for the right price) McKinzy

Payne, Settle inside or Allen, Ionnadis, any combo would do, serious fucking talent and beef here.

LB’s Holcomb, Anderson (move him inside) Foster when recovers, SDH, Bostic if he stays.

This group with Del Rio could be as effective, if not more dominant than SF. They’ve underachieve and it’s time to kick some serious ass.

Get Chase!!

AnonEmouse 01-25-2020 09:14 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=SFREDSKIN;1243539]Sweat, Young at DE, Kerrigan (for the right price) McKinzy

Payne, Settle inside or Allen, Ionnadis, any combo would do, serious fucking talent and beef here.

LB’s Holcomb, Anderson (move him inside) Foster when recovers, SDH, Bostic if he stays.

This group with Del Rio could be as effective, if not more dominant than SF. They’ve underachieve and it’s time to kick some serious ass.

Get Chase!![/quote]

+1

Also means that barring BPA being an LB, we can spend a pick or 2 on the secondary and still have picks for the OL and TE. Or better still, go after a good S and/or CB (Jones?) in FA and spend the rest on O/BPA.

calia 01-25-2020 11:54 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1243542]+1



Also means that barring BPA being an LB, we can spend a pick or 2 on the secondary and still have picks for the OL and TE. Or better still, go after a good S and/or CB (Jones?) in FA and spend the rest on O/BPA.[/QUOTE]



Improving the FS spot will be key too. With fewer LBs in coverage, the importance of someone at the S position with range is higher and that’s a big need.


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EARTHQUAKE2689 01-25-2020 12:30 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=los panda;1243524]Are Sweat and/or Young going to play DE or OLB?

Would the line look like this?
[B]DE[/B] Sweat, Young
[B]DT[/B] Allen, Ioannidis, or Payne (with one of them on bench in base 43?)

Or more like this?
[B]DE[/B] Allen, Ioannidis
[B]DT[/B] Payne, Settle (with Sweat and Young at OLB?)

Or something in between?[/quote]

Sweat and Young at DE
Payne, Allen, Ionnadis, and Settle at DT

Kerrigan at DE too but we will see what we do with him

Bishop Hammer 02-29-2020 03:23 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
This is a great breakdown of the 4-3 defense.
[url]https://youtu.be/DnjySDZJLlc[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/lbIX-Exm1xQ[/url]

For the longest time I didn't know what 0,1, 2, 3, etc, etc tech and A, B, C, etc gap meant. Thanks to this video I now have some idea. Plus the creator is a legit Skins fan so that's morw reason to show the content and it's creator some love.

SunnySide 03-02-2020 11:25 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=Meks;1243526]with a fresh coordinator and scheme and a much better defensive mind this roster should crush it.[/quote]

Maybe im in a debbie downer mood ... but im starting to think Payne and Allen are just really good players and not great not elite. I really like them but we did spend 2 1st R on them (passed up on Derwin James) and when it comes to contract talks ... are we going to have to pay these "really good" players elite type money in a year or two?

Chico23231 03-02-2020 11:30 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=SunnySide;1245714]Maybe im in a debbie downer mood ... but im starting to think Payne and Allen are just really good players and not great not elite. I really like them but we did spend 2 1st R on them (passed up on Derwin James) and when it comes to contract talks ... are we going to have to pay these "really good" players elite type money in a year or two?[/quote]

Gotta reset opinions now that they are with a competent DC. I think Payne played pretty damn well last year. Eager to see him as a 4-3 DT than the nose.

SunnySide 03-02-2020 11:51 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=Chico23231;1245715]Gotta reset opinions now that they are with a competent DC. I think Payne played pretty damn well last year. Eager to see him as a 4-3 DT than the nose.[/quote]

yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..

GridIron26 03-02-2020 12:23 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=SunnySide;1245717]yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..[/quote]

Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.

SunnySide 03-02-2020 12:39 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=GridIron26;1245722]Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.[/quote]

I gotta double down on the debbie downer here, again.

New coaches come in and always identify what the past coaches were doing wrong and what new exciting ideas the new coach has for the unit. Id guess Manusky, barry Tosula all said the same word salad of "same page", "all in", "aggressive", "cohesive unit", "attacking", "accountability", "best position to win", "play to their strengths" etc

it is not lost on me that Im complaining about players "only being really good and not elite" ... or that they are still young and have improved each year.

Defensewins 05-07-2020 09:22 AM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
With a lot of winning teams (Ravens, Rams, 49ers etc) running variations of the outside zone running game and using the play action boot leg off of that. I thought it was interesting to learn how it was successfully defended by the 49ers and Patriots. Most importantly the chess game of adjustments that Gruden and staff did not have the brain capacity to do, but our new defensive staff does. Please note the 49ers run the 4-3 as base with D-line playing 2 gap and secondary playing a zone 4 deep quarters coverage. We will be playing 4-3 as our base now, which our D-line is our strength so it makes sense. Plus i have always preferred the 4-3 as base D.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VeTo8Becw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VeTo8Becw[/URL]

Meks 05-07-2020 01:03 PM

Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3
 
[quote=SunnySide;1245723]I gotta double down on the debbie downer here, again.

New coaches come in and always identify what the past coaches were doing wrong and what new exciting ideas the new coach has for the unit. Id guess Manusky, barry Tosula all said the same word salad of "same page", "all in", "aggressive", "cohesive unit", "attacking", "accountability", "best position to win", "play to their strengths" etc

it is not lost on me that Im complaining about players "only being really good and not elite" ... or that they are still young and have improved each year.[/quote]

when the past coach should be coaching on the high school level tho its a big difference


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