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Chico23231 04-20-2021 08:01 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[url]https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/more-russian-troops-massed-near-ukraine-than-before-2014-invasion-pentagon-says-1.670423#.YH7ABh_db3Q.twitter[/url]

Pentagon: More Russian Troops at the Ukrainian border than 2014 prior to invasion

Iím sure itís nothing....Biden will handle it just like he did prior

Giantone 04-20-2021 08:28 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=Chico23231;1281634][url]https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/more-russian-troops-massed-near-ukraine-than-before-2014-invasion-pentagon-says-1.670423#.YH7ABh_db3Q.twitter[/url]

Pentagon: More Russian Troops at the Ukrainian border than 2014 prior to invasion

Iím sure itís nothing....Biden will handle it just like he did prior[/quote]

Whatever he will do , it will be 100 times better then trump letting his buddy putin do whatever he wants.

Chico23231 04-20-2021 08:40 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=Giantone;1281638]Whatever he will do , it will be 100 times better then trump letting his buddy putin do whatever he wants.[/quote]

Yeah Iím sure it will be tougher than trumpís us soldiers killing Russian mercenaries soldiers in Syria. Trump Giving Ukraine lethal weapons like the Javalin anti tank missile and other arms against Russian troops instead of the Obama administration giving non lethal support such as meal rations. Or trump arming the Kurds to wage war in Syria when Obama refused.

Probably

SunnySide 04-20-2021 11:32 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=Chico23231;1281644]Yeah Iím sure it will be tougher than trumpís us soldiers killing Russian mercenaries soldiers in Syria. Trump Giving Ukraine lethal weapons like the Javalin anti tank missile and other arms against Russian troops instead of the Obama administration giving non lethal support such as meal rations. Or trump arming the Kurds to wage war in Syria when Obama refused.

Probably[/quote]

Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option

CRedskinsRule 04-20-2021 11:44 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=SunnySide;1281661]Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option[/quote]

4th option do some serious cold war spy shit and blow up a russian nuclear reactor in siberia with proof China did it. Get them into a true border conflict that turns their attentions away from our allies in asia and europe, then in good Roman fashion, line their borders with irradiated salt so they can't go within 50 miles of other nations.

5th option if that doesn't work, say eff it, bring our troops home and let the world hash out the world's issues.

6th option give them mental health coaching to get past their childhood traumas and heal their inner child.

7th option Putin vs Xi WWE style winner gets the middle east

SunnySide 04-20-2021 12:07 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1281663]4th option do some serious cold war spy shit and blow up a russian nuclear reactor in siberia with proof China did it. Get them into a true border conflict that turns their attentions away from our allies in asia and europe, then in good Roman fashion, line their borders with irradiated salt so they can't go within 50 miles of other nations.

5th option if that doesn't work, say eff it, bring our troops home and let the world hash out the world's issues.

6th option give them mental health coaching to get past their childhood traumas and heal their inner child.

7th option Putin vs Xi WWE style winner gets the middle east[/quote]

Exactly ... 5th option may ultimately be the only option. Beef up our military and spy cable and try and be as diplomatic as possible.

I know one thing. The second oppostion leader Navalny is reported dead adn Russia has millions protesting .. Russia is invading with their "green men" to secure that water supply and distract attention and give pretense to crack down.

Shit in Russia is about to hit the fan once that guy is reported dead.

Chico23231 04-20-2021 12:34 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=SunnySide;1281661]Trump did send javelins to Ukraine ... but on the condition that Ukraine cant use them against pro-Russian separatists and the Javelins apparently arent deployed in military zones. Kind of a weird wrinkle.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11[/url]

I dont think there is any good answer to dealing with Russia or China. Articles ive read on the China issue (and I think Russia is adopting the method) is to paper cut the US because they dont think we will ever risk outright war on paper cut issues. They also think we will just debate and argue over what to do and have hearing after hearing and just end up "sanctioning", like we always do. We will always go the path of de-escalation and diplomacy.

I dont think the Russia or China issue has a democrat or republican solution. I think damned if you do something, damned if you dont. Doesnt matter if the president has a R or D after their name.

I honestly dont know what I would.

Chico - what would you do? Do you have a solution or suggestion? Not trying to be argumentative or defend Biden.

1. match China and Russia's micro aggresions, willing to accept all out war if neither side blinks?

2. Stern warning and sanctions ..

3. Nothing.

4. Some 4th option[/quote]

I mentioned the javelin because that was the centerpiece of a large arms package. That missile is a game changer on the battlefield, itís the best, most advanced personnel-launch anti tank Weapon in the world. You can shoot aircraft down with it. While there was...I donít think anymore...stipulated defensive only use....it worked. It was a deterrent and they did fire some as show of
Force exercise. It was the right move.

China, Russia...what works? 2 extreme, very different country. Russia is trying to exert its self national stages...China is a genocidal, Democratic smashing, plague from hell spreading shithole.

Iíd do a lot in confronting both but drastically different approaches

Chico23231 04-20-2021 01:06 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
I think with dealing with both u probably put in charge someone who would be tough, not afraid of confrontation and might revel in it...someone with experience in deal making, maybe puts America first...considered an art in deal making.

Someone like that

MTK 04-21-2021 10:45 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
for real?

[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/media/549341-ex-trump-aide-mcenany-knocks-biden-presidents-should-not-inflame-tensions"]Ex-Trump aide McEnany knocks Biden: Presidents should not 'inflame' tensions[/URL]

Chico23231 04-23-2021 10:26 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-announces-run-for-governor-of-california[/url]

GOP making history again!!!

SunnySide 04-23-2021 10:57 AM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
Russia "withdrawing" troops from the border. Im guessing ... just guessing .. they moved some hardware in and have their "green guys" set up. Not that anything will be imminent but just in case Navalny protests get serious.

MTK 04-23-2021 12:25 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=Chico23231;1281893][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-announces-run-for-governor-of-california[/url]

GOP making history again!!![/quote]

another wealthy reality star woot, should be interesting to see what kind of support she gets from the party considering how transgenders aren't exactly their cup of tea

mooby 04-23-2021 12:58 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=SunnySide;1281894]Russia "withdrawing" troops from the border. Im guessing ... just guessing .. they moved some hardware in and have their "green guys" set up. Not that anything will be imminent but just in case Navalny protests get serious.[/quote]

Saw something interesting on Reddit, someone said Putin might've been testing his military readiness to quickly assemble troops at the border and the US/etc. response time. He's probably happy with the results.

Chico23231 04-23-2021 04:24 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=MTK;1281897]another wealthy reality star woot, should be interesting to see what kind of support she gets from the party considering how transgenders aren't exactly their cup of tea[/quote]

Trans rights are human rights mtk!

Letís go and make history

Giantone 04-23-2021 09:13 PM

Re: Fresh Start Political Thread
 
[quote=mooby;1281898]Saw something interesting on Reddit, someone said Putin might've been testing his military readiness to quickly assemble troops at the border and the US/etc. response time. He's probably happy with the results.[/quote]

...............or not.


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