2022 Commanders off season thread part 1
 

Trying to keep the name change in a different thread..

Let's discuss this huge off season come up.

Ron is 14-20 over his first 2 seasons as HC. (I count that playoff game)

With a bottom 5 passing game over that span, we all know QB is top priority.

What will they do? Draft or make a splash for a veteran like Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson etc.

I don't see JDR leaving , that being said LB is top priority for the defense.

A guy like Bobby Wagner would be a perfect fit..

[url]https://overthecap.com/calculator/washington-football-team/[/url]

60M to spend this O/S. Lets make it count!

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My priority list:

QB
LB
C
S
RB (McKissic)
G
K

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Qb
lb
s
rb
g
t

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Priorities for me

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1307602]My priority list:

QB
LB
C
S
RB (McKissic)
G
K[/quote]

LB x2. New starter at MLB and better depth than no name other team rejects. This is on the basis we move Davis to OLB. And presuming Collins isn't resigned as OLB/Hybrid.
You saying replace Roullier, or draft for better depth? If depth, I'd put G higher than C.
K - Slye hasn't missed a FG and had 1 XP blocked (I don't blame him for that). I would bring in competition, but I see nothing to complain about with his performance.

Me, I'd say QB, LB (x2), FS, CB, RB (agreed I'd secure McKissic as option 1) G, C.

I think with the returning OL we'd have a solid base, though I agree with letter Scherff go this year if we can't get him to sign a reasonable deal. My concern remains with having no top calibre MLB and FS. I still hold we need to build the defence through the middle to get consistency. We need a Lewis/Reed or Wagner/Thomas type combo to solidify the D. Aside from QB (and we know that this draft doesn't offer much prospect) there are not as many glaring holes on O as there are on D.

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QB, a DC that can scheme with our personnel, LB

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No team has ever started 10 QB's over a 4 season span, we did it this yr..

There is no doubt this team is starved for a QB.

Terry had 1000 yards with noodle arm TH out there.

I will say, Matt Stafford has not been as advertised this yr, glad we didn't pay that price

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307638]No team has ever started 10 QB's over a 4 season span, we did it this yr..

There is no doubt this team is starved for a QB.

Terry had 1000 yards with noodle arm TH out there.

I will say, Matt Stafford has not been as advertised this yr, glad we didn't pay that price[/quote]

The complete lack of any consistency at QB has been truly amazing. I don't get those that rag on Scott Turner. 14 wins the last 2 years with very average/mediocre QB play. I'd love to see this offense with a legit QB.

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This off-season is about one thing


QB 1

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[quote=MTK;1307640]The complete lack of any consistency at QB has been truly amazing. I don't get those that rag on Scott Turner. 14 wins the last 2 years with very average/mediocre QB play. I'd love to see this offense with a legit QB.[/quote]

Avg is high praise for the last 2 years..

Kirk Cousins would have 30 TDs with the weapons we have..

The TH era ends in a win but man he was awful yesterday.

Should have had 2 picks and a fumble.

The fact that we had a 1000 yard WR and RB is insane

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Also we officially have the 11th pick

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For those that do not have The Athletic

from David Aldridge

Get a quarterback. The rest is window dressing.

Ron Rivera’s not going to last as head coach here otherwise.

He’s a good man, and a good leader. But he needs help. Positional flex isn’t enough. Getting Curtis Samuel and/or Logan Thomas back on the field next season won’t be enough. This organization needs an impact upgrade at the most important position in sports. A new name or a new stadium deal, or whatever other shiny toy the Washington Football Team is ready to shake at you in the next couple of months, isn’t going to cover that up.

Washington can convince itself it has a top-10 defense in the building, and maybe a rebound from a big step backwards this season is possible in 2022. (No, I don’t think you replace Jack Del Rio. He’s not the problem.) At any rate, there are too many picks and dollars invested in the core group for a radical reset on D. Hope that Chase Young recovers, and Jamin Davis improves exponentially, and that a veteran middle linebacker is out there in free agency.

But even if the WFT’s defense bounces back, it won’t matter if Washington doesn’t solve its decades-long dilemma at quarterback.

You know what will go a long way toward convincing Terry McLaurin to stick around and sign a long-term extension, rather than playing his rookie deal out next season and becoming a free agent in 2023? A real quarterback to get him the rock, after three years of open mic night.

It’s been almost 21 years since Brad Johnson, the last great quarterback who played here, left town. Twenty-one years! (Yes, Robert Griffin III was beyond dynamic in his rookie season and was named to the 2013 Pro Bowl, but the fact his right ACL and LCL were shredded soon after, along with his career, kind of made the honor moot. I will agree to disagree with those who think Kirk Cousins was, or is, “great.”)

It will, assuredly, not be easy, or cheap. But: Enough with reclamation projects. No more once-weres (Jeff George, Mark Brunell, Donovan McNabb). No more mid- to late-first maybes (Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Dwayne Haskins).

If Mitch Trubisky was someone to build around, Chicago would still be building around him, instead of Justin Fields.

If Jimmy Garoppolo, who was the starting quarterback when the 49ers were in the Super Bowl two years ago, was that guy, why did the Niners trade four picks to Miami last year to move up in the draft and take Trey Lance?

If Rivera and the front office come to believe that one of Kenny Pickett or Matt Corral or Malik Willis or Carson Strong or Desmond Ridder has superstardom in his immediate future, then by all means, take him with Washington’s No. 11 pick. Or, trade the pick and move back a few spots in the first round, grabbing another pick in the process, and hopefully get one of them later in the draft.

But if not — what is Rivera ready to do to upgrade? The WFT will have more than $60 million in cap room this offseason. If it isn’t willing to pay to keep an All-Pro guard in Brandon Scherff from leaving via free agency, OK. I don’t get the logic of letting your best offensive lineman, and one of your top four or five players on the roster, skip town for nothing in return, but, fine.

Then let it all ride for a legit franchise quarterback.

OK, Aaron Rodgers isn’t coming here, and even if he wanted to, the price for him would be prohibitively expensive.

But, if Washington needed to, say, trade multiple firsts, including this year’s, and one of its defensive linemen for Russell Wilson? Do it.

If Washington could trade a little less for someone like Miami’s Tua Tagovailoa — who will, presumably, be available if the Dolphins go for Houston’s Deshaun Watson via trade — take the chance.

I advocated that Washington get Watson last offseason, before the multiple allegations of sexual misconduct against him came to light. We know this organization never misses an opportunity to step on its own … message. But even it can’t seriously consider bringing in someone like Watson now, with the organization still under congressional inquiry for its own abhorrent behavior toward so many of its female now-former employees.

What am I saying: Of course it can. But, it shouldn’t.

Seattle’s saying it won’t trade Wilson. But that’s today. If the 33-year-0ld Wilson makes it clear he wants out, Washington should be ready to pounce. A “coach-centric” organization needs its coach to lead the way, to convince both Wilson and his superstar wife, the entertainer and Grammy winner Ciara Wilson, why coming here would work for both of them.

There has to be a real plan, with real data: We will do this at wide receiver and on the interior offensive line. But, also: We will do this to help you grow Why Not You Productions, which she and her husband own.

Does that sound like recruiting? Damn right it is. If Rivera wants all the juice, that’s what is now on his plate: fix the problem the previous six coaches here weren’t able to solve.

Wilson has been injured this season and less effective the last couple of years, but I’d bet on a rebound in ’22 every day and twice on Sundays, Mondays and the occasional Thursday night.

The Giants and Eagles, reportedly, both have considerable interest in Wilson. Which means: You can either bring Wilson here and give him the keys to your franchise for the next few years, or you can potentially play against him in your division, twice a year, for the next few years. Given Washington’s division record this season, playing against a real quarterback like Dallas’ Dak Prescott, I know which curtain I’d pick. (And, yes: If Philly were to get Wilson, Washington should definitely try to get Jalen Hurts.)

A word, now on Taylor Heinicke. Saying Heinicke has proven he’s a really good backup quarterback is not an insult. It’s a huge, positive data point.

A year ago, he was on his sister’s couch and taking classes at Old Dominion. Since then, he’s proved he’s durable enough to get through an NFL season — which we didn’t know a year ago. He’s proved he can make enough plays with his arm and legs to win real games — which we didn’t know a year ago. He’s given Washington clarity at a very important position. That’s not nothing; it’s a lot.

But he also showed his ceiling is limited. Which limits Scott Turner’s play calling. Which limits McLaurin’s targets and completions. Which makes the WFT’s margin for error, week in and week out, very small. A game manager may feel more comfortable and less risky to Rivera, but it’s not the best way to consistently win in a pass-mad league.

You can’t keep counting on 10-plus play drives, converting multiple third downs and being able to run the ball down opponents’ throats. Nor can you hope to always win 21-17 or 24-20. So much can go wrong in close games: penalties, injuries, blown assignments. This team isn’t talented enough to play that way yet. You know what helps a defense most? Being up 28-7 in the fourth quarter, after its quarterback has thrown for three bills and four TDs.

Rivera didn’t want to mortgage the future last offseason for a quarterback. Another guy who coached around here once said, famously, “The future is now,” traded every pick he could possibly think of trading, and made a Super Bowl, and the playoffs four other times, in seven years. And so, the future is now, again.

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[quote=MTK;1307640]The complete lack of any consistency at QB has been truly amazing. I don't get those that rag on Scott Turner. 14 wins the last 2 years with very average/mediocre QB play. I'd love to see this offense with a legit QB.[/quote]

Colt McCoy is available. :D

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Lots of work to do, big spots and depth.

36 players under contract for next year.

Notable pending FAs:

Scherff
McKissic
Lucas
Humphries
Carter
Sims
Larsen
Ricky Seals Jones
Settle
McCain

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I don't have high praise for anyone except McLaurin.

Every WR not named Terry is trash.
All the other WRs average 1 reception a game. You can get JR college guys to do that.

This is a passing/QB league, we need another WR.
If the curse of fragile #10 is over (RG,Richardson,Samuels) then we have 3 competent WRs.

Turner is trash for running short yardage plays out of shotgun.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1307646]For those that do not have The Athletic

from David Aldridge [/QUOTE]

99% agree; I'd pause before going after Tua (especially if Wilson will talk to us) because of his injury history. I can see Watson going to Miami, and Tua happy to be seen as the answer here if it comes to it. But I still think he's a poorer version of Murray and I think it would be hard to consider him as franchise material. But if he could come in and make us competitive again for 2-3 years, while we groom a long term guy (2023 drat?)...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1307626]
You saying replace Roullier, or draft for better depth? If depth, I'd put G higher than C.
[/quote]

I may be mistaken, but I think the only Center under contract for 2022 is Roullier, and he's coming off a fractured leg. I would say this position is a higher priority than guard. Obviously there needs to be depth, but Flowers and Schweitzer are under contract for 2022.

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[quote=jamf;1307650]I don't have high praise for anyone except McLaurin.

Every WR not named Terry is trash.
All the other WRs average 1 reception a game. You can get JR college guys to do that.

This is a passing/QB league, we need another WR.
If the curse of fragile #10 is over (RG,Richardson,Samuels) then we have 3 competent WRs.

Turner is trash for running short yardage plays out of shotgun.[/quote]

Zero chance you can effectively evaluate the WRs on this roster, when you have noodle arm Heinicke "trying" to get them the ball. I think we have pretty good receivers, and I wouldn't go out of my way to upgrade that position group until after taking care of more pressing needs.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1307652]I may be mistaken, but I think the only Center under contract for 2022 is Roullier, and he's coming off a fractured leg. I would say this position is a higher priority than guard. Obviously there needs to be depth, but Flowers and Schweitzer are under contract for 2022.[/quote]

Technically Schwietzer is the 3rd string C , and I dont think it will cost much to bring Larsen back. Ishmael doesn't look like a NFL centre judging by the last few weeks, so seeing him leave in FA is no big deal. Still a good backup C who can also be a swing G would be nice but far from the top of the list

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Positions where we have some talent:

DLine
Pass rushers
Strong Safety
Benches
Tackle
Center
Tight End

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1307654]Technically Schwietzer is the 3rd string C , and I dont think it will cost much to bring Larsen back. Ishmael doesn't look like a NFL centre judging by the last few weeks, so seeing him leave in FA is no big deal. Still a good backup C who can also be a swing G would be nice but far from the top of the list[/quote]

Schweitzer is listed as a tackle. He can play all the positions, but isn't a true Center. If they don't bring Scherff back, he could serve as the RG, backup Center. My point was that the only true center under contract for next year is Roullier, and he will be coming back after suffering a broken leg. He may be g2g, but in my opinion they should address the Center position (along with guard, a swing tackle, and depth throughout).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307645]Also we officially have the 11th pick[/quote]

How many spots did that win cost us yesterday?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307646]
Rivera didn’t want to mortgage the future last offseason for a quarterback. Another guy who coached around here once said, famously, “The future is now,” traded every pick he could possibly think of trading, and made a Super Bowl, and the playoffs four other times, in seven years. And so, the future is now, again.[/quote]


I'm going to highlight this part.
two full god damn years to evaluate. They need to figure shit out yesterday and start winning.

F Rivera. He is just happy to be coaching and collecting a paycheck.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1307658]How many spots did that win cost us yesterday?[/quote]

I think 1 spot.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1307658]How many spots did that win cost us yesterday?[/quote]

Dropped us from 8th to 11th.

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[url]https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2022/01/10/washington-football-team-secures-no-11-overall-pick-in-the-2022-nfl-draft/[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1307655]Positions where we have some talent:

DLine
Pass rushers
Strong Safety
Benches
Tackle
Center
Tight End[/QUOTE]


Benches! Best line of 2022 so far.


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[quote=AnonEmouse;1307651]99% agree; I'd pause before going after Tua (especially if Wilson will talk to us) because of his injury history. I can see Watson going to Miami, and Tua happy to be seen as the answer here if it comes to it. But I still think he's a poorer version of Murray and I think it would be hard to consider him as franchise material. But if he could come in and make us competitive again for 2-3 years, while we groom a long term guy (2023 drat?)...[/quote]

I could see Tua running Turner’s offense. If Miami changes coaches and then moves him for Watson, wouldn’t be opposed to it. I would agree you throw a big deal out to Russ Wilson first, but Tua isn’t a bad fall back. You measure him against QB coming out this year and you like him better than them, it’s a no brainer, send number 11 for him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1307711]I could see Tua running Turner’s offense. If Miami changes coaches and then moves him for Watson, wouldn’t be opposed to it. I would agree you throw a big deal out to Russ Wilson first, but Tua isn’t a bad fall back. You measure him against QB coming out this year and you like him better than them, it’s a no brainer, send number 11 for him.[/quote]

I heard Watson's whole angle for going to Miami was playing for Brian Flores, would be hilarious if he doesn't want to go there now.

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Insider outlines WFT’s ‘top priority’ for new deal after Charles Leno extension

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2022/01/10/insider-outlines-top-priority-new-deal-charles-leno-extension/[/url]

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Resign the following:

Scherff (5 pro bowls, don’t want to see him go to the HOF wearing another teams jersey like TW).

Settle (better than Payne)

McKissick

Sims, Humphries, Carter (friendly cost effective contracts)

Extend:
McLaurin

Trade:

Payne

Cut:

Bostic
Collins unless he restructures for a lot less

Don’t bother resigning:

McCain

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The pressure to name a franchise QB this off-season scares me. Snyder can’t possibly keep his hands off this, and with no true GM, I think there’s at least a 50/50 chance this could set us back even further, a la RG3 and Haskins.

Maybe our real needs are GM, QB, MLB, WR, etc.

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[QUOTE=HTTR;1307724]The pressure to name a franchise QB this off-season scares me. Snyder can’t possibly keep his hands off this, and with no true GM, I think there’s at least a 50/50 chance this could set us back even further, a la RG3 and Haskins.

Maybe our real needs are GM, QB, MLB, WR, etc.[/QUOTE]We have a true gm in Martin Mayhew.

And if Mayhew, Wright and Rivera can't choose their own qb over Snyder then the franchise qb thing will never have one.

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I agree with those of you that think we need a quarterback. It should be the number one priority. Heinicke isn't it and neither is Allen. I would hate to see the WFT trade for Wilson. Yes, he is better than anything here now, but he is declining and will not be productive much longer. If Seattle is willing to trade him, he is done or almost done as a player. Watson would be better but will be costly. Pay it!

I often see posters wishing that we still had Cousins. You need to understand that Cousins was not going to stay here, no matter what. He went to the University of Minnesota, his and his wife's families are in Minnesota, he indicated that he wanted to be drafted by Minnesota before that year's NFL draft and the Vikings were always cautiously indicating that they wanted him. In that Gruden is right, Washington should have gotten a lot more for him. The only reason he was here for the length of time was because of the Franchise Tag.

From what I have read, the draft doesn't have any real outstanding quarterbacks in it so the outlook for next year's Quarterback is not good.

I hope the WFT renews Sherff. He has been a solid player since he came. Samuel's was a bust signing. He was injured before he signed and stayed injured for most of the season. When he did play, he was useless IMO.

I would love to see Rivera gone but that won't happen this year. I am hoping for next year. I have never been a Rivera fan as you can tell. The only problem is there isn't any better out there right now. Rivera is just another Gruden but is respected more.

I think we should be ready for the same next year. I hope not.

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[quote=oldfan;1307727]I agree with those of you that think we need a quarterback. It should be the number one priority. Heinicke isn't it and neither is Allen. I would hate to see the WFT trade for Wilson. Yes, he is better than anything here now, but he is declining and will not be productive much longer. If Seattle is willing to trade him, he is done or almost done as a player. Watson would be better but will be costly. Pay it!

I often see posters wishing that we still had Cousins. You need to understand that Cousins was not going to stay here, no matter what. He went to the University of Minnesota, his and his wife's families are in Minnesota, he indicated that he wanted to be drafted by Minnesota before that year's NFL draft and the Vikings were always cautiously indicating that they wanted him. In that Gruden is right, Washington should have gotten a lot more for him. The only reason he was here for the length of time was because of the Franchise Tag.

From what I have read, the draft doesn't have any real outstanding quarterbacks in it so the outlook for next year's Quarterback is not good.

I hope the WFT renews Sherff. He has been a solid player since he came. Samuel's was a bust signing. He was injured before he signed and stayed injured for most of the season. When he did play, he was useless IMO.

I would love to see Rivera gone but that won't happen this year. I am hoping for next year. I have never been a Rivera fan as you can tell. The only problem is there isn't any better out there right now. Rivera is just another Gruden but is respected more.

I think we should be ready for the same next year. I hope not.[/quote]

Dear Old fan,

I respectfully disagree on Wilson's skills declining, just look at what he did yesterday. Wilson is a competitor and is in great shape, he's not like the others, I say he probably has another 5 productive years. However I would not give more than our 1st and Payne for him.

I view Pickett, Corral and Howell at the same level, any of them will be a crapshoot maybe it will pan out. I agree on resigning Scherff and also Settle who I think is better than Payne.

We need an ILB badly and a solid safety to complement Curl, Collins is too expensive and limited as a S.

If Rivera doesn't have a better year next year, I would clean house by firing him and his cronies rehire Kyle Smith and have him hire Kevin O'Connell.

Hail Old Fan!!

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[quote=oldfan;1307727]I agree with those of you that think we need a quarterback. It should be the number one priority. Heinicke isn't it and neither is Allen. I would hate to see the WFT trade for Wilson. Yes, he is better than anything here now, but he is declining and will not be productive much longer. If Seattle is willing to trade him, he is done or almost done as a player. Watson would be better but will be costly. Pay it!

I often see posters wishing that we still had Cousins. You need to understand that Cousins was not going to stay here, no matter what. [B]He went to the University of Minnesota[/B], his and his wife's families are in Minnesota, he indicated that he wanted to be drafted by Minnesota before that year's NFL draft and the Vikings were always cautiously indicating that they wanted him. In that Gruden is right, Washington should have gotten a lot more for him. The only reason he was here for the length of time was because of the Franchise Tag.

From what I have read, the draft doesn't have any real outstanding quarterbacks in it so the outlook for next year's Quarterback is not good.

I hope the WFT renews Sherff. He has been a solid player since he came. Samuel's was a bust signing. He was injured before he signed and stayed injured for most of the season. When he did play, he was useless IMO.

I would love to see Rivera gone but that won't happen this year. I am hoping for next year. I have never been a Rivera fan as you can tell. The only problem is there isn't any better out there right now. Rivera is just another Gruden but is respected more.

I think we should be ready for the same next year. I hope not.[/quote]

.


- Cousins went to Michigan State. But otherwise I agree with you. As do the majority of Vikings fans.

- Completely agree with you on paying whatever it takes for a QB. But ... I disagree with you on Wilson. This day and age, QB's play well into their late-30's early-40's (those QB's not named Tom Brady). Wilson is 33. 5- 7 more seasons with Wilson, who, despite his size and penchant for scrambling, missed his first starts in his career this year, and that was only 3 games. [B]If Russell Wilson will listen, you go hard for him[/B].

- Disagree on Sherf -- [B]unless he gets reasonable on price[/B]. Otherwise, he's waaaaay to expensive for a guard.

- I don't know what to make of Rivera. I have never been excited by him, but he does seem to have the respect of his players, and that is something that can not be under sold. I would rather continue to give him time, than turn into Miami, burning through coaches every 2 years, trying to "find the perfect guy".


Should be an interesting off season.

Next year NEEDS to be a winning one.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1307725]We have a true gm in Martin Mayhew.

And if Mayhew, Wright and Rivera can't choose their own qb over Snyder then the franchise qb thing will never have one.

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Sorry, I don’t consider any GM in a “coach-centric” arrangement to be a true GM. This is where Snyder’s management has really failed (Vinny, Bruce, Scott, Shanahan’s deal, JG 2.0). RR says personnel is collaborative and disagreements are taken to Snyder.

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I’d give 2 ones right now for Wilson


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307732]I’d give 2 ones right now for Wilson


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I would do this years number one and Payne but they wouldn’t

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[quote=rocnrik;1307733]I would do this years number one and Payne but they wouldn’t[/quote]

Throw in a 4th