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MTK 05-03-2021 09:19 AM

Post draft breakdown
 
This should be the final draft related thread for 2021 lol

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/5/2/22415417/washington-gets-good-grades-for-their-2021-draft-class"]Washington gets good grades for their 2021 draft class[/URL]

I just went back and listened to Greg Cosell on the Ross Tucker podcast break down the LB group coming into this draft and he LOVED Davis, said he has elite traits.

skinsfaninok 05-03-2021 09:45 AM

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Overall the lowest grade I've seen across any platform is a B.

I think we finally have a great group running the show folks. This team with its new identity and all that will gain more fans now.

Chico23231 05-03-2021 09:49 AM

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My biggest head scratcher is the CB from Minnesota, I thought there were better options.

Iíve heard scouting reports say he could play single high safety. Versatility is the big thing.

After we took the WR from UNC, this pick was much less of an issue from value standpoint as that was a steal.

Another reach to me was the TE from Boise state, but trusting the coaching staff as Logan Thomas exceeded everyoneís expectations not only here but across the league.

Cosmi, Davis, Brown, Toney were great picks. I think adding RB Patterson was big time, that was icing on the cake cause I think he will make the team if he can prove he can catch out the backfield.

SunnySide 05-03-2021 10:10 AM

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Insert the "you cant grade a draft until 3 years later" mantra

We targeted physical abilities over production it seems. Davis, Cosmi, St Juste, Brown, Forrest all seem to be at the top end of athleticism. We are banking on them being able to be coached up and continue to improve.

Im somewhat left with the impression we just drafted our board vs reacting to how the draft played out. Seems like we drafted guys who RR interviewed with personally.

Especially that 4R on a blocking TE that by all looks was a pretty big reach. But he interviewed with RR personally. They have a good conversation ... suddenly we are picking him in the 4th when he was projected to be a 6th or UDFA.

I feel like the personal interviews steered our decisions vs being reactive to the board and who is dropping etc. I dont think we went BPA .. or our board favors physical stats vs film/playing stats

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 10:16 AM

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I had my breakdown during the draft :)

Makes me smile to see so many talking heads and internet experts think they know more than RR and JDR when it come to playing, coaching and drafting linebackers.

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 10:21 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1283089]Insert the "you cant grade a draft until 3 years later" mantra

We targeted physical abilities over production it seems. Davis, Cosmi, St Juste, Brown, Forrest all seem to be at the top end of athleticism. We are banking on them being able to be coached up and continue to improve.

Im somewhat left with the impression we just drafted our board vs reacting to how the draft played out. Seems like we drafted guys who RR interviewed with personally.

Especially that 4R on a blocking TE that by all looks was a pretty big reach. But he interviewed with RR personally. They have a good conversation ... suddenly we are picking him in the 4th when he was projected to be a 6th or UDFA.

I feel like the personal interviews steered our decisions vs being reactive to the board and who is dropping etc. I dont think we went BPA .. or our board favors physical stats vs film/playing stats[/quote]

I suppose with so much uncertainty with evaluations and health this year they went with the find team first football players plan, cannot really condemn them for that though I agree a blocking tight end in the 4th seems a bit of a reach

Monkeydad 05-03-2021 10:37 AM

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I have us a 'B' only because there were a couple of players we missed on that I would have liked to get when available like JOK, CB Elijah Molden, TE Tommy Trembel, LB Jabril Cox and WR Jaelon Darden who all slid further than they should have...but I am happy that Rivera had a plan and stuck to it. He watched the tape, so I trust him.


Well, you can't complain with the approach, we filled nearly every need. LB and LT were the most urgent positions and they were filled with potential stars in the league.



LB - Biggest need, potentially GREAT player picked
LT - Starter-quality player. The position is finally fixed post-Trent Williams.
CB - We have 2 solid starters already but lacked depth and a impact slot CB. Got one.
WR - Steal of our draft, made a good WR group one of the deeper in the NFL
TE - Big need for a backup TE. We took a solid, athletic blocking TE that will have a role.
S - Solid depth pick.
LS - We needed one and got one of the best available who could be here 15 years like Sundberg, Better to draft a talented one than look for a re-tread FA.
DE -If Kerrigan's not coming back, we need depth. Took two with good potential.
WR - Let's see what this last pick can do on special teams, we still need an improvement in the return game over Sims, Jr. who won't be making this team with all of the WR depth we have.

CRedskinsRule 05-03-2021 10:38 AM

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I gave them a B in the poll. Overall, this grade comes down to trust. Do you trust that RR and JDR can draft the defensive players that will fit and possibly excel. Yes, so I think the defensive side gets an A because the athleticism combined with fit should enable many to be depth or better for years to come. On the offensive side, my trust in RR and Turner is not as high. I think they are still reaching and trying to find the identity that will work, so I have much less confidence in that side of the ball, and thus the B/C grade for offense. Hopefully when it all comes together, the team will see the value across the board.

SunnySide 05-03-2021 11:03 AM

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Cosmi has really short arms .. 33" putting him in the lowest 12 percent for NFL tackles. Wingspan in the 22 percentile.

Arm length isnt the end all for tackles but its pretty important

[url]https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/samuel-cosmi[/url]

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 11:05 AM

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[quote=SunnySide;1283097]Cosmi has really short arms .. 33" putting him in the lowest 12 percent for NFL tackles. Wingspan in the 22 percentile.

Arm length isnt the end all for tackles but its pretty important

[url]https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/samuel-cosmi[/url][/quote]

In the film I saw his arms looked plenty long enough, but he needs to polish up his technique being described as a waist rather than knee bender which is down to the coaches

skinsfaninok 05-03-2021 11:14 AM

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One thing for sure, our line is deep and solid.

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 11:37 AM

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I think we can bid adieu to Wes Martin and Geron Christian. Saddiq Charles gives them a genuine backup OT option if they play him at guard.

sdskinsfan2001 05-03-2021 11:42 AM

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I like the draft. Don't love it.

Brown was an absolute steal. We really fixed up that WR room this offseason.

I like Cosmi. Super athletic. His height and athletic ability should be more than enough to overcome any short arm issues. I think he starts game 1, and we have an excellent swing tackle in Lucas. If Cosmi can play and Charles is healthy, our OLine depth is really good.

AnonEmouse 05-03-2021 11:58 AM

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B
We didn't land an out and out star, at least as it looks right now, but I'd rather get 8 guys that can challenge the current roster, if not start, than bust out completely on the top rounds and be left with ST players at best. I reckon at least 5 of these guys will make the roster and 2-3 will be on the PS hopefully. I'd only pencil in Jamin and Cosmi as likely starters right now, but Brown could easily be pushing for the #4 or 5 WR position, maybe even #3.

SunnySide 05-03-2021 12:02 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1283105]I like the draft. Don't love it.

Brown was an absolute steal. We really fixed up that WR room this offseason.

I like Cosmi. Super athletic. His height and athletic ability should be more than enough to overcome any short arm issues. I think he starts game 1, and we have an excellent swing tackle in Lucas. If Cosmi can play and Charles is healthy, our OLine depth is really good.[/quote]

Yeah if Lucas could be our swing tackle, that would be awesome. You need 3 starting caliber tackles bc with injuries, that swing guy might end up taking more snaps then your week 1 starters. I always feel bad for the Lucas and Nshecke's of the world, always the brides maid and never the bride. Vitally important and has skills to be a low end starter but gets the step brother role.

Cosmi is off the charts strong, 99th percentile. Cant wait to see him, Matty I and Payne lifting together.

Wr Brown .. I nothing about the guy but everyone is raving about him, seems to have that uncanny Desean Jackson ability to track, adjust and catch those long over the shoulder balls.

Exciting times to see an atheletic LB, OT, CB and WR added to the mix. Plus CB Jackson and WR Samuel in FA.

punch it in 05-03-2021 12:33 PM

Post draft breakdown
 
We drafted high character athletes. So now alot is on the staff to coach them up. High character= good student , and you cannot teach speed.
Can the safety out of Minnesota really be worse than Apke? Can the tight end be worse than Sprinkle? We upgraded at several spots on our roster imo. I absolutely loved this class, and I think time will show good reason too.

CRedskinsRule 05-03-2021 01:01 PM

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[quote=SunnySide;1283097]Cosmi has really short arms .. 33" putting him in the lowest 12 percent for NFL tackles. Wingspan in the 22 percentile.

Arm length isnt the end all for tackles but its pretty important

[url]https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/samuel-cosmi[/url][/quote]

I like that tool, I don't like what it says about St-Juste:
[url]https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/benjamin-st-juste[/url]

10 Yard Split 1.57s* 47th percentile
20 Yard Split 2.65s* 26th
40 Yard Dash 4.55s* 28th
Vertical Jump 34Ĺ"* 30th
Broad Jump 119"* 29th

Seems he missed the athletic portion of the FO draft evaluations.

PorkSkins 05-03-2021 01:34 PM

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Not that it truly means anything until they suit up, but it's cool to see, nonetheless.

CBS Sports' Pete Prisco:

Washington Football Team: B+

Best pick: Third-round receiver Dyami Brown will prove to be a major steal. He has great speed, but he's more than just a one-trick pony.

Worst pick: I didn't love the choice of Boise State tight end John Bates in the fourth round. He's athletic, but it's more of a projection based on his production and might have been a round too high.

The skinny: Their first four picks were all outstanding. First-round linebacker Jamin Davis will be a star. They followed that with a lot of good players at positions of need, highlighted by Brown.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/priscos-2021-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams-dolphins-among-three-to-earn-a-raiders-part-of-worst-trio/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e[/url]


Another piece from CBS Sports via Cody Benjamin: 2021 Draft Winners and Losers. Benjamin has our WFT in the "winners" circle:

Washington Football Team

Most notable picks:

LB Jamin Davis (1)
OT Samuel Cosmi (2)
WR Dyami Brown (3)

Man, Ron Rivera is really assembling a tough squad, isn't he? Davis should step in right away as a leader on defense, Cosmi offers long-term support where Trent Williams once stood, and Brown gives them yet another chess piece on offense. These moves help them in 2021, with Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm, but also bode well for the distant future.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-winners-and-losers-browns-eagles-giants-ravens-find-gems-as-colts-raiders-saints-slip-up/[/url]

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 01:35 PM

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[quote=punch it in;1283109]We drafted high character athletes. So now alot is on the staff to coach them up. High character= good student , and you cannot teach speed.
Can the safety out of Minnesota really be worse than Apke? Can the tight end be worse than Sprinkle? We upgraded at several spots on our roster imo. I absolutely loved this class, and I think time will show good reason too.[/quote]

Ironically the comparison I saw, just the one admittedly, for our new TE is .......... Jeremy Sprinkle.

MTK 05-03-2021 01:46 PM

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Who knows how these picks will look 2-3 years from now, but what I like right now is we got high character guys, guys with position versatility, and you have to like the overall speed/athleticism of most in the group. I think our first 3 picks will contribute significantly right away.

sevier2 05-03-2021 02:06 PM

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[quote=punch it in;1283109]We drafted high character athletes. So now alot is on the staff to coach them up. High character= good student , and you cannot teach speed.
[B]Can the safety out of Minnesota really be worse than Apke? Can the tight end be worse than Sprinkle? We upgraded at several spots on our roster imo.[/B] I absolutely loved this class, and I think time will show good reason too.[/quote]

Great point.

I like the class as well and think the roster talent is actually ahead of schedule, at least compared to what I expected from Ron in years 1-3. Of course, thatís assuming we donít have an early pick bust.

It usually takes a couple seasons for a new coach to get ďhis guysĒ and I think weíre headed in the right direction.

vallin21 05-03-2021 02:25 PM

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I gave it an A. For one, no one knows how these picks will turn out until year two or three.

Loved every pick except the St Juste pick, and thatís ONLY because I thought there were better CBís available.

Brown was my favorite pick, and immediately upgraded our WR group.

We needed a consistent LS, itís an important position that can directly impact a game. Props to the FO replacing Sundberg.

The fact that Synder is not meddling in the draft room deserves an A alone. This is Riveraís team and he has full control.

EdmundDorf 05-03-2021 02:41 PM

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[quote=vallin21;1283120]I gave it an A. For one, no one knows how these picks will turn out until year two or three.

Loved every pick except the St Juste pick, and thatís ONLY because I thought there were better CBís available.

Brown was my favorite pick, and immediately upgraded our WR group.

We needed a consistent LS, itís an important position that can directly impact a game. Props to the FO replacing Sundberg.

The fact that Synder is not meddling in the draft room deserves an A alone. This is Riveraís team and he has full control.[/quote]

That deserves coach of the year ..... something neither Shannahan, Schottenheimer or Gibbs could achieve

Pervis_Griffith 05-03-2021 03:12 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1283088]My biggest head scratcher is the CB from Minnesota, I thought there were better options.

Iíve heard scouting reports say he could play single high safety. Versatility is the big thing.

After we took the WR from UNC, this pick was much less of an issue from value standpoint as that was a steal.

Another reach to me was the TE from Boise state, but trusting the coaching staff as Logan Thomas exceeded everyoneís expectations not only here but across the league.

Cosmi, Davis, Brown, Toney were great picks. I think adding RB Patterson was big time, that was icing on the cake cause I think he will make the team if he can prove he can catch out the backfield.[/quote]


Ditto your comments on St. Juste. I suppose his versatility and length made him attractive to draft. If memory serves, he was a senior bowl participant too, so maybe extra eyes on him made him a get for the staff.


I like the TE pick. The blocking part of TE is always the hardest to develop with rookies. The fact that he has that part down is a plus, when combined with what we have in Thomas ... and the potential in Reyes.


I think one of Bradley-King or Toney will make the team ... with the other sticking on the practice squad. But the picks are worth it late.


[B]I gave the draft a B. [/B]

My biggest worry is in our first round pick. He [B][I]SHOULD[/I][/B] be fantastic. He has the right attitude, and work ethic, and is very athletic. He showed flashes of brilliance in his one year of starting. [B]For this pick to be justified, he needs to provide consistent impact from day 1.

If he does ... I change the grade to an A. [/B]

NYCskinfan82 05-03-2021 03:56 PM

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I LOVED our draft, time will tell but JMO they bought in talent and competition.

Chico23231 05-03-2021 05:58 PM

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Iím so glad we didnít get a QBÖand Iím so glad people freakin over a LS

Meks 05-03-2021 06:08 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1283137]Iím so glad we didnít get a QBÖand Iím so glad people freakin over a LS[/quote]

Lmao same

Chico23231 05-03-2021 06:10 PM

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[quote=Meks;1283138]Lmao same[/quote]

Like you know you had a great draft when you have to pick on the 6th round long snapper with the greatest LS name of all time

punch it in 05-03-2021 06:25 PM

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1283115]Ironically the comparison I saw, just the one admittedly, for our new TE is .......... Jeremy Sprinkle.[/QUOTE]



LOL. Well that would not make him worse i suppose.

FrenchSkin 05-03-2021 07:33 PM

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[quote=SunnySide;1283089]Insert the "you cant grade a draft until 3 years later" mantra

We targeted physical abilities over production it seems. Davis, Cosmi, St Juste, Brown, Forrest all seem to be at the top end of athleticism. We are banking on them being able to be coached up and continue to improve.

Im somewhat left with the impression we just drafted our board vs reacting to how the draft played out. Seems like we drafted guys who RR interviewed with personally.

Especially that 4R on a blocking TE that by all looks was a pretty big reach. But he interviewed with RR personally. They have a good conversation ... suddenly we are picking him in the 4th when he was projected to be a 6th or UDFA.

I feel like the personal interviews steered our decisions vs being reactive to the board and who is dropping etc. I dont think we went BPA .. or our board favors physical stats vs film/playing stats[/quote]

You may be right on both points (favoring physical potential vs college production, and favoring guys they knew and/or had talked to)... [I][U]and I'm perfectly fine with it ![/U][/I]

I actually like the fact that RR and JDR made sure they were drafting [B][U]good fits[/U][/B] for this team, both as players and characters !
I don't think it ended up being real reaches, at least early on (and does anybody on earth really knows if a 5th/6th/7th round was a reach ?).

We got some BPA/close to BPA players that filled key needs early on, we added some depth where we needed it later on... [I][U]Until it doesn't pan out, I don't see any reason to complain.[/U][/I]

FrenchSkin 05-03-2021 07:40 PM

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283092]I have us a 'B' only because there were a couple of players we missed on that I would have liked to get when available like JOK, CB Elijah Molden, TE Tommy Trembel, LB Jabril Cox and WR Jaelon Darden who all slid further than they should have...but I am happy that Rivera had a plan and stuck to it. He watched the tape, so I trust him.


Well, you can't complain with the approach, we filled nearly every need. LB and LT were the most urgent positions and they were filled with potential stars in the league.



LB - Biggest need, potentially GREAT player picked
LT - Starter-quality player. The position is finally fixed post-Trent Williams.
CB - We have 2 solid starters already but lacked depth and a impact slot CB. Got one.
WR - Steal of our draft, made a good WR group one of the deeper in the NFL
TE - Big need for a backup TE. We took a solid, athletic blocking TE that will have a role.
S - Solid depth pick.
LS - We needed one and got one of the best available who could be here 15 years like Sundberg, Better to draft a talented one than look for a re-tread FA.
DE -If Kerrigan's not coming back, we need depth. Took two with good potential.
WR - Let's see what this last pick can do on special teams, we still need an improvement in the return game over Sims, Jr. who won't be making this team with all of the WR depth we have.[/quote]

Agree overall with your post.

Just to nitpick, I really don't get the thing with JOK. We needed a real do it all/stuff the run LB, we got an athletic stud that can do that, and (not saying you, but you mentioned him) we're gonna complain about not drafting a small hybrid LB that wasn't selected by anybody until late in the 2nd ? Don't get it.

FrenchSkin 05-03-2021 08:05 PM

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Mark Bullock's breakdowns contain really interesting coach film versions of college plays:

[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-kentucky-lb-jamin-davis?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Jamin Davis[/URL]

[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-texas-lt-samuel-cosmi-bring?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Samuel Cosmi[/URL]

I think Cosmi can start. Contrary to Saahdiq Charles his hand technique is really good ! He needs to clean up his footwork and add a real kickslide, but he seems way more NFL ready to me.

punch it in 05-03-2021 08:33 PM

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[QUOTE=vallin21;1283120]I gave it an A. For one, no one knows how these picks will turn out until year two or three.



Loved every pick except the St Juste pick, and thatís ONLY because I thought there were better CBís available.



Brown was my favorite pick, and immediately upgraded our WR group.



We needed a consistent LS, itís an important position that can directly impact a game. Props to the FO replacing Sundberg.



The fact that Synder is not meddling in the draft room deserves an A alone. This is Riveraís team and he has full control.[/QUOTE]



Yeah the last couple drafts have zero stench of Snyder.

Chief X_Phackter 05-03-2021 08:37 PM

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283144]Agree overall with your post.

Just to nitpick, I really don't get the thing with JOK. We needed a real do it all/stuff the run LB, we got an athletic stud that can do that, and (not saying you, but you mentioned him) we're gonna complain about not drafting a small hybrid LB that wasn't selected by anybody until late in the 2nd ? Don't get it.[/quote]

Yeah, can we put the JOK thing to rest already. He wasn't high (1st round talent) on a lot of boards obviously, including WFTs. He was the 23rd defensive player picked. Davis is a better fit, and will likely be an absolute beast behind this defensive front. Not sure what there is to complain about there.

CRedskinsRule 05-03-2021 09:16 PM

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I don't see it mentioned, apparently the Skins wanted to get the extra picks under the rookie draft cap or some sort of salary cap vs putting out alot of spending on the undrafted pool. Also why we only have one undrafted FA right now. Not sure how the numbers really work on that, but that was the explanation given by Rivera. Saw this in a Finlay tweet.
[Quote]Interesting nugget from Rivera - Washington made late round trade to acquire more picks so they could avoid having to pay more $$ for undrafted rookie free agents. WFT has only signed 1 UDFA thus far, and the team is bringing in more free agents this week, not just rookies[/Quote]

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HTTR 05-03-2021 09:45 PM

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I give our draft an 8.647. It would have been an 8.739 if Cosmiís arms were an inch longer. It would have been an 8.525 if we hadnít taken Camembert Cheeseman. There will be a trick play installed just to show off his draft status and get him name-checked.

Overall, strong picks: good athletes, team players, fast, and versatile. Our WR draft curse is over.

Chief X_Phackter 05-03-2021 10:23 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283148]I don't see it mentioned, apparently the Skins wanted to get the extra picks under the rookie draft cap or some sort of salary cap vs putting out alot of spending on the undrafted pool. Also why we only have one undrafted FA right now. Not sure how the numbers really work on that, but that was the explanation given by Rivera. Saw this in a Finlay tweet.


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I don't think I've ever heard of that strategy, but it makes some sense if the UDFA targets you have in mind aren't graded much differently than anyone left in the last round.

nonniey 05-04-2021 01:40 AM

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I gave them a C. Not that I disliked the players taken (I always seemed to draft Davis in my mocks) I just thought they were too conservative and averse to taking a risk when given an opportunity. I think we could have traded with the Vikes (who stated they tried to move up 4-5 picks) and picked up some draft capitol and likely have had Davis at pick 23. and I didn't like the trade up for Cheeseman especially given the assessments that the 2022 draft will be stronger.

mooby 05-04-2021 06:15 AM

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Every year it seems like the same shit. People bitching about draft picks, or where they were taken, or why someone didn't do their research.

My only question is if your talent evaluation skills are better than theirs, why are you online complaining on a forum instead of getting paid to tell coaches your opinion.

3 years from now if any of these players turn into quality pros nobody will give two shits about where they were drafted or what price was paid.


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