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Chico23231 10-22-2018 09:42 AM

Trade Deadline Moves
 
We are seeing more trades than ever before. I think we will see a handful.

Would you make a move? What position you looking for?

I think it would be a decent move if a quality WR would become available, we are severely injured and right now around the league there is a lack of dependable talent. Adding a vet I think would make sense. Your probably looking at a 3rd, 4th round pick.

What about insurance for AP and CT? I don’t think that would be a terrible move. I think for depth it will not cost as much...5,6,7 round pick.

I think rb is more of a one year rental...but adding a wr would be more of a long term..several year move.

Thoughts?

skinsfaninok 10-22-2018 10:31 AM

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I would imagine we should be looking for WR help, With PR and Crowder still out I don't see why not. I would offer a 3 for Thomas (Denver), they have rumored to be shopping him. I'd offer the same for Amari Cooper. I just think we have a defense and run game now that is built to make a run but you cant be one dimensional in the playoffs.

DYoungJelly 10-22-2018 12:37 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1203942]I would imagine we should be looking for WR help, With PR and Crowder still out I don't see why not. I would offer a 3 for Thomas (Denver), they have rumored to be shopping him. I'd offer the same for Amari Cooper. I just think we have a defense and run game now that is built to make a run but you cant be one dimensional in the playoffs.[/quote]

We have a run game as long as AP stays healthy. When he gets hurt, our run game is gone.

GridIron26 10-22-2018 01:02 PM

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No to any potential trades unless it involves getting adequate left guard.

skinsfaninok 10-22-2018 01:09 PM

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1203968]We have a run game as long as AP stays healthy. When he gets hurt, our run game is gone.[/quote]

Lets hope that doesn't happen but yes I agree to that

Irrefutable 10-22-2018 02:56 PM

Re: Trade Deadline Moves
 
Send Josh Norman and the late 3rd and a 2020 pick for Patrick Peterson

SFREDSKIN 10-22-2018 02:59 PM

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[quote=Irrefutable;1203991]Send Josh Norman and the late 3rd and a 2020 pick for Patrick Peterson[/quote]

How about Norman and a 5th.

skinsfaninok 10-22-2018 03:00 PM

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Peterson will go to NE I'm sure

Irrefutable 10-22-2018 03:05 PM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1203992]How about Norman and a 5th.[/quote]

Whatever it takes... Peterson's contract is less and he is much better than Norman

Update;
[B]Unfortunately the Cards coach says they are not trading Peterson[/B]

Chico23231 10-22-2018 03:09 PM

Re: Trade Deadline Moves
 
Cowboys trade for amari Cooper per josina Anderson

Per Adam schfty, cowboys sending a first round pick

Irrefutable 10-22-2018 03:15 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1203996]Cowboys trade for amari Cooper per josina Anderson[/quote]

per JP Cowboys give up a 1st..... great trade for the Raiders

skinsfaninok 10-22-2018 03:15 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1203996]Cowboys trade for amari Cooper per josina Anderson

Per Adam schfty, cowboys sending a first round pick[/quote]

desperation but u still need a QB that gets him the ball and there no way he was worth a 1

sevier2 10-22-2018 03:18 PM

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Link to the Cooper/Cowboys trade:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000977422/article/cowboys-acquiring-wr-amari-cooper-from-raiders[/url]

Can't believe they gave up the first rounder. Steep price for Cooper, we'll see how it plays out.

MTK 10-22-2018 03:20 PM

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Cowboys should have just drafted Ridley

Chico23231 10-22-2018 03:22 PM

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First round pick? Desperation

jamf 10-22-2018 03:28 PM

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[quote=sevier2;1203999]Link to the Cooper/Cowboys trade:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000977422/article/cowboys-acquiring-wr-amari-cooper-from-raiders[/url]

Can't believe they gave up the first rounder. Steep price for Cooper, we'll see how it plays out.[/quote]

It's a good but desperate move for them.
Nothing wrong with trying to win now and the guy is 24 years old so he should be able to stick around for their next head coach.

I hope the Skins make a move but it better not be for a #1.

Daseal 10-22-2018 03:35 PM

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I wanted the skins to go after Cooper, but a 1 is ridiculous. A 3rd max - he's on the last year of his rookie deal. Next year you either need to do the 5th year option (~16M I believe) or renegotiate with the chance of losing him in FA.... wow. Gives the Raiders 3 1sts in the 2019 draft and 2 in 2020.

I would have liked to get Carlos Hyde for a 5th. In my opinion if we want a chance of making the playoffs this year, we need someone else at the RB position. Maybe Bibbs can be that answer. We're headed into week 8 and AP is already nursing a lot of injuries. He's playing really well, but as soon as he goes down we're out of options. Thompson shouldn't be run every down,and hasn't been a factor this year anyhow, Perine runs small... Bibbs has some potential but not sure I want him as my every down back.

sandtrapjack 10-22-2018 03:35 PM

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[quote=sevier2;1203999]Link to the Cooper/Cowboys trade:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000977422/article/cowboys-acquiring-wr-amari-cooper-from-raiders[/url]

Can't believe they gave up the first rounder. Steep price for Cooper, we'll see how it plays out.[/quote]

FUK!

First round trades have worked SO WELL for JJ in the past......Joey Galloway (2 first rounders).....Roy Williams......now Amari Cooper.....

I know Cooper can play WR. I am still not convinced that Dak can play QB and get him the ball.

Chico23231 10-22-2018 03:39 PM

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[url]https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/12/24/cowboys-wr-dez-bryants-drops-seahawks-ezekiel-elliott-rest-league-stats-last-year[/url]

Article from Dallas news last December examining the drop rate of Dez...come to find out Amari Cooper only had more total drops.

NC_Skins 10-22-2018 03:41 PM

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That's two days in a row a Gruden has straight fucked the Cowboys. :laughing2


I guess they didn't learn their lesson after Joey Galloway or Roy Williams.

mooby 10-22-2018 03:42 PM

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Man I can't understate how thrilled I am that the Cowboys, and not us, were the ones to give up a first rounder for Cooper.

MTK 10-22-2018 03:43 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1204006][URL]https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/12/24/cowboys-wr-dez-bryants-drops-seahawks-ezekiel-elliott-rest-league-stats-last-year[/URL]

Article from Dallas news last December examining the drop rate of Dez...come to find out Amari Cooper only had more total drops.[/quote]

Great, so in a few years when Cooper is on the street we'll have to listen to Skins fans begging to sign him?

NC_Skins 10-22-2018 03:43 PM

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[quote=Daseal;1204004]I wanted the skins to go after Cooper, but a 1 is ridiculous. A 3rd max - he's on the last year of his rookie deal. [/quote]


Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.

JoeRedskin 10-22-2018 04:07 PM

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As others have said, better them than us. Hopefully, it works out just as well as their other trades of 1st round picks for receivers has. Really smacks of desperation to me.

Meanwhile, in other news, Oakland trades away all their starters for future draft picks. Derek Carr to Jacksonville is next.

sevier2 10-22-2018 04:10 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1204011]Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.[/quote]

Cooper doesn't come with the Off-the-field issues and is younger.

JoeRedskin 10-22-2018 04:13 PM

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As I was saying:

[quote]NFL Update‏ @MySportsUpdate:
Oakland might not be done: #Raiders are still open to moving CB Gareon Conley and S Karl Joseph.

12:24 PM - 22 Oct 2018[/quote]
[url]https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1054453492201480194[/url]

Don't know if this is a reliable feed or a Russian bot, but it is certainly consistent with Jon Gruden's plan so far. <sarcasm font on> Oakland GM McKenzie: "This is just fine."

MTK 10-22-2018 04:14 PM

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A 1st for Cooper is a huge win by the Raiders and just makes Dallas look dumb. JJ is getting roasted on Twitter.

Ruhskins 10-22-2018 04:15 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1204017]As I was saying:


[url]https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1054453492201480194[/url]

Don't know if this is a reliable feed or a Russian bot, but it is certainly consistent with Jon Gruden's plan so far. <sarcasm font on> Oakland GM McKenzie: "This is just fine."[/quote]

Live look at Reggie McKenzie:

[IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/401/347/312.jpg[/IMG]

jamf 10-22-2018 04:15 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1204011]Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.[/quote]

Gordan is a puff puff pass away from getting banned for life.

Cooper has a pair of 1000yard seasons and is only 24. If he would've ended up with Brees, he would be a ProBowler.

Fortunately for us, he has Dak.

skinsfan69 10-22-2018 04:17 PM

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1204005]FUK!

First round trades have worked SO WELL for JJ in the past......Joey Galloway (2 first rounders).....Roy Williams......now Amari Cooper.....

I know Cooper can play WR. I am still not convinced that Dak can play QB and get him the ball.[/quote]

Some people never learn. It's not a good trade at all. The guy can't catch and will want a new deal. As Matty mentioned, just draft Ridley or be patient and wait until the 19 draft. Cowboys aren't going anywhere anyway w/ Dak under center.

Daseal 10-22-2018 04:27 PM

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[quote=NC_Skins;1204011]Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.[/quote]

Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.

Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):

Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed

Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.

I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.

jamf 10-22-2018 04:48 PM

Re: Trade Deadline Moves
 
[quote=Daseal;1204022]Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.

Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):

Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed

Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.

I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.[/quote]

Our 2nd Round picks have been less productive than our 3rds!
Going back 10 years:

2008: Thomas, Davis, Kelly
2011: Jarvis Jenkins
2013: Amerson
2014: Murphy
2015: Preston Smith
2016: Pussy ass bitch
2017: Anderson
2018: Guice

I have a lot of hope for Guice but our 2nd rounders have been cursed.

CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018 04:59 PM

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I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell

You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.

CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018 05:05 PM

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Sounds like Cowboys fans aren't very happy, but seems like this gives them a threat receiver they didn't have. His drops are a concern, but it's a risk/reward move.

Of course, I don't know what receivers are coming out in the draft, but we all know there are not many sure fire hits on WR's in the draft.

jamf 10-22-2018 06:53 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204024]I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell

You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.[/quote]

This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.

Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.

Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.

Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.

CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.

I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.

CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018 07:07 PM

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[QUOTE=jamf;1204027]This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.

Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.

Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.

Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.

CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.

I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.[/QUOTE]

I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.

You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.

You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back

MTK 10-22-2018 08:18 PM

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Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?

sevier2 10-22-2018 09:15 PM

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[quote=MTK;1204029]Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?[/quote]

Yeah that threw me off as well...

P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.

Irrefutable 10-22-2018 11:14 PM

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[quote=sevier2;1204035]Yeah that threw me off as well...

P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.[/quote]

Really, Smith disappears in about half of the games.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitPr00.htm[/url]

GridIron26 10-23-2018 08:15 AM

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[quote=jamf;1204027]Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement. [/quote]

Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?


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