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The Skinsinator 06-22-2021 01:27 AM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285216]The Giants have to retire his number.

I wish we had a QB with 2 that weren't great the other seasons. Still 2 rings.[/quote]I always thought he never got enough recognition due to being under Peyton's shadow. He did throw a lot of picks. But, he also had a cannon for an arm and put up lots of yards for a pretty long time. Extremely humble too.

MTK 06-22-2021 08:41 AM

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/raiders-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-openly-gay/"]Raidersí Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay[/URL]

Giantone 06-22-2021 11:16 AM

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[quote=MTK;1285223][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/raiders-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-openly-gay/"]Raidersí Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay[/URL][/quote]

So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

MTK 06-22-2021 11:23 AM

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Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.

Giantone 06-22-2021 11:27 AM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285216]The Giants have to retire his number.

I wish we had a QB with 2 that weren't great the other seasons. Still 2 rings.[/quote]

27 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 37 Game-Winning Drives

In the top ten of almost every GB category.

MTK 06-22-2021 11:29 AM

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[quote=mooby;1285212][url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CQZXu_8nyy_/?utm_medium=copy_link[/url]

Raiders DE Carl Nassib has come out as gay.

Wonder if he's the first active NFL player? I remember somebody did it in the NBA - Jason whatshisname - I'm forgetting because he was more of a reserve than Nassib is.

Nassib must be comfortable with the environment Gruden/Mayock have fostered to come out publicly, good for him. Hope this doesn't turn into some unnecessary drama.[/quote]

My bad I posted this news before spotting that you already did. Michael Sam came out as gay before the 2014 draft but never played in the regular season.

Giantone 06-22-2021 11:52 AM

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[quote=Giantone;1285227]So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.[/quote]

........and so it starts.


[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/22/did-michael-sam-get-a-fair-chance-in-the-nfl/[/url]


Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT

mooby 06-22-2021 01:11 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1285231]........and so it starts.


[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/22/did-michael-sam-get-a-fair-chance-in-the-nfl/[/url]


Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT[/quote]

Talent is the bottom line in the NFL. If Sam was any good he would've made a roster.

The NFL from the top down forgives a lot of things if you have talent. You can beat your wife, murder dogs, murder people, rape women, etc. but as long as you're talented you will get a second chance. The only reason I can see this hurting Nassib in the long run is because the NFL is still a somewhat homophobic place - although it's come a long way. No doubt there will be players that try to get under Nassib's skin and if you look at the comments on his Instagram - although 90% of them are positive - there are still some people out there leaving hateful comments on his page.

Still, no doubt Nassib wouldn't have done this if he wasn't mostly comfortable with his team and the guys in the locker room. Like everyone else has said hopefully the day will come when this isn't even newsworthy anymore.

skinsfan69 06-22-2021 05:04 PM

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[quote=MTK;1285228]Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.[/quote]

Exactly. Hopefully Beckham will stop pretending and just come out already. 😂

mooby 06-22-2021 05:19 PM

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285214]He beat an undefeated New England team at 16-0 and beat them again to win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls. It is an absolute given the Giants would retire his jersey considering he brought them 2 Lombardis.

With 2 Lombardis and 57,000 career passing yards think the Hall will be calling soon- as they should.[/quote]

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

TheMalcolmConnection 06-22-2021 08:33 PM

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If he's in the conversation, Flacco would have to be too...

The Skinsinator 06-22-2021 10:45 PM

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[quote=mooby;1285239]This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.[/quote]He beat, arguably, the greatest regular season team in NFL history in the 2007 Patriots. This team didn't just go 16-0 but utterly annihilated their opponents including the Redskins 52-7. Eli made the plays in the moment and slayed the greatest dragon in NFL history. Tyree did make a great play for sure but none of this happens without Eli. Prior to knocking off the greatest team in NFL history, Eli went into Dallas and Green Bay and beat 2 very, very good teams also in the playoff run.

He also beat a 13-3 New England team in 2012 to bring home a 2nd Lombardi throwing for nearly 300 yards and playing better than Tom Brady.

In both years, he did enough to get his team to the playoffs and bring home 2 Lombardis. He's a 4x Pro Bowler who was also extremely durable. What he did in both Super Bowl runs is absolutely legendary. Him being a Hall of Famer is not even a question. It is a certainty.

skinsfan69 06-23-2021 12:56 AM

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No problem w/ NY retiring Eli's number or putting him in their ROF. Just don't put him in the HOF.

sevier2 06-23-2021 01:44 AM

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[quote=mooby;1285239]This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player [B]who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles[/B] and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.[/quote]

You say ď10-15 years and a couple titlesĒ as if thatís easy to do and not impressive. Plenty of QBís have made the hall with 1 or 0 Super Bowl wins.

On top of his stats (which should be enough) he was the face of NY for more than a decade and made a huge impact on the franchise as a whole.

Eli was the king of the derps but heís deserving of the accolades.

MissouriSkin 06-23-2021 06:59 AM

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Sorry no Eli for the HOF until Jacoby is in. Oh thatís right Peter King will continue to make sure Joe doesnít get in but will make sure Eli is in on the first ballot.


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