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Chico23231 07-20-2019 06:26 PM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1225444]Unless you have the foresight of knowing that he was going to have a season/potentially career ending injury, I don't get about the complaints about Smith's contract. People would have gone ape shit here, if they'd sign Keenum last year as a stop gap. QBs are always overpaid, and even a stopgap QB would have cost money.

Also, the team was winning with Alex's "no mistakes" brand of football. Not the way people liked it, but they were winning. And things would have been a hell of a lot better, had Alex stayed healthy.[/quote]

My complaint:

1.Very average QB coming off career year with an offensive guru.
2. Was 33 turning 34 in May when we got him
3. Too long of a contract
4. Decision maker was Bruce Allen, an extensive history of poor handling of the QB position

In terms of Alex season, AP was the MVP, Smith was a benefactor of his success. Plus they were peaking as an offense. Smith was having another garbage game when he got hurt.

Warthog 07-20-2019 06:36 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1225477]My complaint:

1.Very average QB coming off career year with an offensive guru.
2. Was 33 turning 34 in May when we got him
3. Too long of a contract
4. Decision maker was Bruce Allen, an extensive history of poor handling of the QB position

In terms of Alex season, AP was the MVP, Smith was a benefactor of his success. Plus they were peaking as an offense. Smith was having another garbage game when he got hurt.[/quote]

You're so right! Bruce, hired an aging, VERY AVERAGE QB for a long contract. Why? In the NFL you need an elite, franchise QB to win consistently, season after season. The truth is that Bruce Allen is happy to be average. Only with a potential franchise QB, like Haskins, can this team move up the ladder to the next level.

Chico23231 07-20-2019 08:39 PM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
[quote=Warthog;1225479]You're so right! Bruce, hired an aging, VERY AVERAGE QB for a long contract. Why? In the NFL you need an elite, franchise QB to win consistently, season after season. The truth is that Bruce Allen is happy to be average. Only with a potential franchise QB, like Haskins, can this team move up the ladder to the next level.[/quote]

Yeah...kinda tired of talking Alex. It didnít work out.

Iím interested to see how Keenum does in this offense and the development of Haskins. Completely moved on

Warthog 07-20-2019 10:51 PM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
[quote=Chico23231;1225480]Yeah...kinda tired of talking Alex. It didnít work out.

Iím interested to see how Keenum does in this offense and the development of Haskins. Completely moved on[/quote]

Yeah, we've had [I][B]so[/B][/I] many average, journeyman, bums or draft bust QB's since the last SB. I'm looking for Haskins to give us the long-term franchise answer at QB. Case Keenum hasn't done it on any other team and won't do it here. But I'll give him a chance in
the pre-season.

skinsfaninok 07-23-2019 09:33 AM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
So Dak wants 30M a year but as I've said since day 1, he's Alex Smith 2.0.

Here are the numbers as of today..

% YPA NET TD/INT
Dak Prescott - 66.1 7.4 6.4 2.68
Alex Smith - 66.1 7.4 6.6 2.83

MTK 07-23-2019 06:52 PM

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Dak will get paid, just the name of the game


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skinsfan69 07-23-2019 07:00 PM

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DP is in a great spot. Timing is everything. Yeah he's an average QB but that doesn't matter. Average NFL QB's that are durable are going to get paid. Cowboys have no choice but to pay him and pay him a lot.

Ruhskins 07-24-2019 09:39 AM

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[quote=MTK;1225564]Dak will get paid, just the name of the game


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I don't get how/why people don't get that QBs are overpaid and that's how things are in the NFL.

MTK 07-24-2019 09:46 AM

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225574]I don't get how/why people don't get that QBs are overpaid and that's how things are in the NFL.[/quote]

It's the same tired debate anytime the next guy's time is up.

Warthog 07-30-2019 05:03 PM

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QB is the most important position on the team. Having a franchise QB, who can win close games for you, is the difference between being an average team and being that next level up or even being an elite team. That's why QB salaries keep going up.

My problem was not with how much Alex smith got paid. My problem is that Bruce Allen gave him a contract that's too long.

CRedskinsRule 07-30-2019 05:31 PM

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225838]QB is the most important position on the team. Having a franchise QB, who can win close games for you, is the difference between being an average team and being that next level up or even being an elite team. That's why QB salaries keep going up.



My problem was not with how much Alex smith got paid. My problem is that Bruce Allen gave him a contract that's too long.[/QUOTE]But thats how you make a qb salary cap friendly. It s**ks that Alex got catostrophically hurt in the first year, but if Alex had taken a shorter deal the cap hits without his injury would have been far less manageable. Thats the risk every FO takes.

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Warthog 07-30-2019 06:37 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225841]But thats how you make a qb salary cap friendly. It s**ks that Alex got catostrophically hurt in the first year, but if Alex had taken a shorter deal the cap hits without his injury would have been far less manageable. Thats the risk every FO takes.

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No one can predict an injury - especially one like this that could be career-ending.

My point is, did Bruce Allen really think Alex Smith was the QB answer for the next 4-5 years for the Redskins? An aging, decent QB whose win-loss record looks great because he played for an outstanding team like the Chiefs. IMO, Bruce panicked because people were criticizing him about the Cousins situation (justified), so he overpaid and gave a long contract to an average QB to keep the team in the .500 range. If the team plays 7-9 or 8-8 then Allen can say: "we're ALMOST there". "We're just a player or two from the next level up". That's why Bruce win-loss record sux, because he sets low goals and is happy to make it.

CRedskinsRule 07-30-2019 06:55 PM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
[QUOTE=Warthog;1225845]No one can predict an injury - especially one like this that could be career-ending.



My point is, did Bruce Allen really think Alex Smith was the QB answer for the next 4-5 years for the Redskins? An aging, decent QB whose win-loss record looks great because he played for an outstanding team like the Chiefs. IMO, Bruce panicked because people were criticizing him about the Cousins situation (justified), so he overpaid and gave a long contract to an average QB to keep the team in the .500 range. If the team plays 7-9 or 8-8 then Allen can say: "we're ALMOST there". "We're just a player or two from the next level up". That's why Bruce win-loss record sux, because he sets low goals and is happy to make it.[/QUOTE]

The contract was written with "outs" in it. Thats how good contracts are done. We were 6-2 with smith and dunbar. Losing thoae two particularly killed us.

You said yourself you were ok with the annualized amount, but to get that amount in a cap friendly manor you do a longer contract. Thats just how the current CBA works

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FrenchSkin 07-30-2019 07:19 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225846]The contract was written with "outs" in it. Thats how good contracts are done. We were 6-2 with smith and dunbar. Losing thoae two particularly killed us.

You said yourself you were ok with the annualized amount, but to get that amount in a cap friendly manor you do a longer contract. Thats just how the current CBA works

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Yeah one think BA has been doing real solidly is structure contract very well from a team standpoint.

WillH 07-30-2019 08:13 PM

Re: If Smith returns....HYPOTHETICALLY speaking.....
 
[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1225849]Yeah one think BA has been doing real solidly is structure contract very well from a team standpoint.[/QUOTE]I think it's Eric Schaeffer that does contracts.

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