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hurrykaine 01-09-2006 02:20 PM

Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
Brunell was called upon to pass two times on first down the entire game. 15 attempted passes the entire game. As Paul Mcguire would say..."Are you kidding me?"

Listening to Trev Matich on the Fox Redskins extra - once Gibbs had a 14-0 lead, he was going to take the long passing attack out of the equation and stick to bread and butter run plays and short dink passes, AND FORCE CHRIS SIMMS TO BEAT US WITH HIS ARM. The way our defense was playing, Gibbs probably figured this strategy gave us the best shot at winning. He didn't care about the slew of 3 and outs in the late 3rd and 4th quarter. He just didn't want to throw it up there and give the TB defense a chance to pick it. That said, Brunell only made one key mistake in the game - he should've thrown that ball away instead of the risky pass to Jacobs.

All the great analytical geniuses such as Sean Salisbury and Tom Jackson, the chumps from SI etc. chose to ignore this angle and simply focus on net yards of offense.

gortiz 01-09-2006 02:28 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
Macguire also likes to say "LOOK AT THIS."


I really think the game was masterful ... Joe gave Tampa the rope, they hung themselves ...

Schneed10 01-09-2006 02:32 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=hurrykaine]Brunell was called upon to pass two times on first down the entire game. 15 attempted passes the entire game. As Paul Mcguire would say..."Are you kidding me?"

Listening to Trev Matich on the Fox Redskins extra - once Gibbs had a 14-0 lead, he was going to take the long passing attack out of the equation and stick to bread and butter run plays and short dink passes, AND FORCE CHRIS SIMMS TO BEAT US WITH HIS ARM. The way our defense was playing, Gibbs probably figured this strategy gave us the best shot at winning. He didn't care about the slew of 3 and outs in the late 3rd and 4th quarter. He just didn't want to throw it up there and give the TB defense a chance to pick it. That said, Brunell only made one key mistake in the game - he should've thrown that ball away instead of the risky pass to Jacobs.

All the great analytical geniuses such as Sean Salisbury and Tom Jackson, the chumps from SI etc. chose to ignore this angle and simply focus on net yards of offense.[/QUOTE]

Of all the posts in this forum, this is one of them. Paul Macguire at his best.

I think you're right, the playcalling got very conservative. And the Bucs front 7 did do an excellent job of shutting down our running game.

If we didn't go up 14-0 so quickly, I'm sure we would have seen some more chances being taken.

skins052bgr8 01-09-2006 02:33 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
I can agree with that, but I thought we would still attack some. I just do not like that approach because if that play was overturned for TB we would have let another team back in the game by going conservative. It may be the right thing to do and we did get the win which I am estatic with, but this could have been another late 4th quarter comeback by the opposing team. It is all hindsight after the win, but like you commented we stop taking the chances downfield and ran on 1st and 2nd and passed on third. They are the #1 defense in the league they did not get their by being slouchy especially when we basically came in and had a same predictable routine. The offense will step it up in Seattle, but it is not a sign of regressing or our offense is absolutely horrible. We made this last run the final 5 weeks of the game after just attacking in the second half and not going conservative. I can't fault anyone though with the win and the way the defense came out and made the statement that this game belongs to us and no matter what you do we are going to match.

hurrykaine 01-09-2006 02:33 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Of all the posts in this forum, this is one of them. Paul Macguire at his best.

I think you're right, the playcalling got very conservative. And the Bucs front 7 did do an excellent job of shutting down our running game.

If we didn't go up 14-0 so quickly, I'm sure we would have seen some more chances being taken.[/QUOTE]

What's more...had Portis been healthy, Gibbs may have tried a little more creativity on the run plays to pick up a first down or two in the 4th Q. Given that Portis was struggling with injuries, he simply called for 40 and 50 gut "run it right up their a$$ for minimal gain" type safe plays.

Paintrain 01-09-2006 02:36 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
If you read some of the comments after the game pretty much everyone echoed that sentiment.. They got purposefully conservative once the for their lead and didn't try to move the ball thru the air..

The 'anal-ists' at ESPN, SI, etc. are focusing on the number and saying 'well that's not going to cut it next week'. Very insightful. I expect to see the offense from the Cowboys & Giants game this week. Gibbs knows he needs to score 24+ to win this game and will game plan accordingly.

hurrykaine 01-09-2006 02:40 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=Paintrain]If you read some of the comments after the game pretty much everyone echoed that sentiment.. They got purposefully conservative once the for their lead and didn't try to move the ball thru the air..

The 'anal-ists' at ESPN, SI, etc. are focusing on the number and saying 'well that's not going to cut it next week'. Very insightful. I expect to see the offense from the Cowboys & Giants game this week. Gibbs knows he needs to score 24+ to win this game and will game plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Which begs the question. Say we're up 14-0 at the end of the 1st Q against Seattle. What do you think Gibbs would do? Go safe and vanilla as against TB, or realize that 14-0 isn't a good enough lead against the Seattle Offense and keep trying to score.

The one interesting thing was Gibbs really tried to stick the dagger in with the CLinton Portis halfback pass to Moss, but TB foiled the play. Had we been up 21-0, there was no way Brunell would've been asked to attempt a pass after that.

diehardskin2982 01-09-2006 02:45 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
I didn't like the play calling in this game because it the playoffs.., when you have a lead you don't just sit on it, you stomp the other team out. like the panthers destroying the Giants. Playcalling like that make our offense's confidence go down.

Paintrain 01-09-2006 03:00 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=hurrykaine]Which begs the question. Say we're up 14-0 at the end of the 1st Q against Seattle. What do you think Gibbs would do? Go safe and vanilla as against TB, or realize that 14-0 isn't a good enough lead against the Seattle Offense and keep trying to score.

The one interesting thing was Gibbs really tried to stick the dagger in with the CLinton Portis halfback pass to Moss, but TB foiled the play. Had we been up 21-0, there was no way Brunell would've been asked to attempt a pass after that.[/QUOTE]
I think he keeps the gas on the pedal.. You have to assume 17 pts for Seattle so you have to keep pushing..

redsk1 01-09-2006 03:07 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
I'm as happy as anyone else about the win. Sitting on the lead almost/maybe even should have cost us the game b/c of a dropped ball. I trust and admire Joe G. as much as anyone, but we have to do more than we did. I said this in another post, but i like the way Carolina didn't let up after they got a 10 pt- 17 pt lead. They continued to throw to Steve Smith. They didn't need a dropped pass to "escape." I know the Giants are not Tampa and we haven't been together as long as Carolina, but i think when we get up, we shouldn't sit on the lead. I think our offense will be a whole lot better next week.

firstdown 01-09-2006 03:11 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I didn't like the play calling in this game because it the playoffs.., when you have a lead you don't just sit on it, you stomp the other team out. like the panthers destroying the Giants. Playcalling like that make our offense's confidence go down.[/QUOTE]The Panters were making most of their plays on D with the int's and the Giants could not stop the run and the Buc's did.

Mattyk 01-09-2006 03:13 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
I could really care less about the offensive stats and I'm sure Gibbs feels the same way.

He was handed a 14 point lead and had GW's swarming D and great gameplan in his hip pocket.

Gibbs played it safe the rest of the way, probably too safe but the Bucs' D played a large part in that. They did a great job and stuffing the run and pressuring Brunell.

VTSkins897 01-09-2006 04:44 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
the last thing you wanna do against the number 1 D in the league when youre playing on the road is let them build momentum getting sacks, picks etc. while i would have been relieved with a bit more production in the 2nd half (a FG or 2), coming out of Tampa with a playoff road win against the #1 D is great in my mind.

Washington and New York put up similar offense performances, even after the giants had such a "great" offense all year. NYG lost 23-0 and we won 17-10. i expect we get over 120 yds this week.

skinsguy 01-09-2006 05:25 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I didn't like the play calling in this game because it the playoffs.., when you have a lead you don't just sit on it, you stomp the other team out. like the panthers destroying the Giants. Playcalling like that make our offense's confidence go down.[/QUOTE]

One thing you have to consider. You're a playoff team that has to play every week on the road to make the playoffs. You want to conserve as much energy as possible, because the next two games are going to seem like a half a season! Not to mention the fact that I believe it lures the next opponent into a false sense of security.

Beemnseven 01-09-2006 06:31 PM

Re: Was our offense really that bad in the last game? Considering...
 
[QUOTE=hurrykaine]Brunell was called upon to pass two times on first down the entire game. 15 attempted passes the entire game. As Paul Mcguire would say..."Are you kidding me?"

Listening to Trev Matich on the Fox Redskins extra - once Gibbs had a 14-0 lead, he was going to take the long passing attack out of the equation and stick to bread and butter run plays and short dink passes, AND FORCE CHRIS SIMMS TO BEAT US WITH HIS ARM. The way our defense was playing, Gibbs probably figured this strategy gave us the best shot at winning. He didn't care about the slew of 3 and outs in the late 3rd and 4th quarter. He just didn't want to throw it up there and give the TB defense a chance to pick it. That said, Brunell only made one key mistake in the game - he should've thrown that ball away instead of the risky pass to Jacobs.

All the great analytical geniuses such as Sean Salisbury and Tom Jackson, the chumps from SI etc. chose to ignore this angle and simply focus on net yards of offense.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I agree with this completely. Yes, everyone is ecstatic that the Redskins won. In the grand scheme of things, like so many have said, you'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss every time.

But first of all, when you force Chris Simms to "beat us with his arm" (which he'd already done to us, by the way), that usually means the defense commits to the run. You're not forcing Chris Simms to do anything by going 3 and out and getting zero points in the second half.

To say that Joe Gibbs "didn't care" about going 3 and out time after time, especially after Tampa Bay closed to within 7 points in the second half would be a bit presumptuous. Are you telling me that Gibbs didn't care if his offense couldn't put together a drive of some sort to respond with so much as a field goal or to move the chains and be able to sustain more than a 3-play drive? Gibbs knows, and everyone else here should know that any game can change on just one play.

Also, it's not like Brunell is a rookie and Gibbs doesn't trust him to put the ball in the air because he thinks he'll do something stupid. If anything, Gibbs probably recognized that none of his receivers were getting open, and he really had no other choice but to keep it on the ground. Incredible Tampa Bay defense or not, when the only two receivers you've been able to count on -- Moss and Cooley -- have been thoroughly dominated and shutdown, I find it hard to believe that a man as meticulous and successful as Gibbs would casually dismiss what was essentially a 3-point performance from the offense.

Sure he's happy and everybody's happy that we won. But you can bet that Gibbs will be burning the midnight oil to figure out how to get this offense back on track. No one should be satisfied with the offensive performance Saturday night, and Gibbs wasn't either.


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