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Paintrain 04-26-2004 02:08 PM

More media hate
 
From Peter King, MMQB.

"I think these drafts I didn't like: Philadelphia (first- and second-round picks for the second-best tackle in the draft, Shawn Andrews, who has battled major weight problems), Cincinnati (Chris Perry over Kevin Jones is a big mistake), and [b]Washington (I'm still down on them for the idiotic deal that sent the second-round pick to Denver in the Champ Bailey-Clinton Portis trade).[/b]" :httr:

What's up with that? I don't hear any other media types dogging us for that deal, the Cowboy homer, MICHAEL IRVIN (sorry, felt the need to shout like him) said he never would have done that deal if he was in Denver's shoes.. I'll be more than happy to go into this year with Portis, Springs and Sean Taylor than Bronco fans will be with Bailey and Tatum Bell (who was our 2nd round pick)..

]<ing 04-26-2004 02:19 PM

The only thing I didn't like about the Portis/Bailey deal was the 2nd rounder we gave up -- it was unnecessary IMO.

Synder & Co are the medias favorite punching bags -- no big deal.

cpayne5 04-26-2004 02:22 PM

I don't mind at all giving up that 2nd rounder. 1,500 yds/ 15 td's will make the pain go away.

beg8878 04-26-2004 02:22 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again....

Until we put up W's in the fall, we deserve the abuse we get right now.

cpayne5 04-26-2004 02:28 PM

I doubt that the abuse will stop when the Ws start piling up.

memphisskin 04-26-2004 02:40 PM

I thought the 2nd rounder was a bit much too, but anything is better than another year of Canidate.

You can't put too much stock in media analysis of the draft because it takes a few years to see the impact of a draft. All they have to go by now is the draft grades and "what they would have done." As for Peter King, he's in love with the Patriots and if it's not their way then it's wrong.

hi-jinx 04-26-2004 03:35 PM

I still think that giving up that 2nd was too high as well. RBs grow on trees for Denver but a shutdown CB is rare indeed. I am not saying that Portis wont do well for us, but if Denver wouldn't take the trade straight up or for like a 4th-5th rounder then we coulda went for Dillon or traded Baily for Draft picks.

Phat Hog 04-26-2004 03:37 PM

Peter King must be in cahoots with Len Pastabelly

Mattyk 04-26-2004 03:40 PM

Look at it this way, we got Portis for a 2nd round pick. What's wrong with that?

Was there a Portis in this years' second round? We'll have to wait and see but I doubt it. Gibbs talks of getting a proven guy when he talks about Portis and what they gave up. Bailey was a goner anyway.

Dave Butz Baby! 04-26-2004 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=Phat Hog]Peter King must be in cahoots with Len Pastabelly[/QUOTE]

Along with "Dr." Z.

Anyone see him on one of those flashbacks during the draft where Dr. Z. just absolutely slammed the Dolphins for their first round pick in 1983? Said he completely didn't understand it, that the 'Fins front office was incompetent and that this pick would haunt them for years.

The pick?

Dan Marino.

]<ing 04-26-2004 03:42 PM

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]I still think that giving up that 2nd was too high as well. RBs grow on trees for Denver but a shutdown CB is rare indeed. I am not saying that Portis wont do well for us, but if Denver wouldn't tkae the trad straight up or for like a 4th-5th rounder then we coulda went for Dillon or traded Baily for Draft picks.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong here -- I'm extremely glad to have Portis aboard. Despite the way Denver churns out RBs, he's different - he's elite. And considering the fact that Bailey wanted out regardless of the kind of money we would offer, I think that we did a hell of a job getting a back of Portis's caliber out of it all.

Having said all that -- I just think that the 2nd rounder was unnecessary. I think they would've done the deal without the pick involved. They needed a corner and loved Bailey, and if we would've played a little hardball, we could've kept the 2nd and landed another D-lineman. Hell, Starks dropped to the 3rd round.....

Mattyk 04-26-2004 03:50 PM

Some of you speak of the deal like you were involved in the negotiations.

How do we know what the Broncos were asking for?

Who's to say the 'Skins just offered up Bailey and a 2nd rounder??

Perhaps the price was higher and a 2nd is what was settled on?

Snyder is a businessman, he knows how to work a deal, I doubt he just threw all his cards on the table and said here ya go Denver, take whatever you want.

hi-jinx 04-26-2004 03:55 PM

I dont know whta Denver wanted, but I think Bailey and a 2nd was too high. The move over all seemed to be made fast. I can't believe that no one on the NFL wanted a top 5 CB.

]<ing 04-26-2004 04:06 PM

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Some of you speak of the deal like you were involved in the negotiations.

How do we know what the Broncos were asking for?

Who's to say the 'Skins just offered up Bailey and a 2nd rounder??

Perhaps the price was higher and a 2nd is what was settled on?

Snyder is a businessman, he knows how to work a deal, I doubt he just threw all his cards on the table and said here ya go Denver, take whatever you want.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm using words like "I THINK".

That's my opinion -- nothing more. Take it for what it's worth.

I don't think anyone's going to assume I'm a high ranking Redskin official chatting to footy on a message board.

Phinehas 04-26-2004 04:27 PM

I think that a majority of Denver fans felt they got the bad end of the deal. I doubt very much that we could have gotten Portis for less than we did. I've seen absolutely nothing that would indicate that the second-rounder was "unecessary." If we didn't give them the second-rounder, every indication is that the deal wouldn't have happened. I think it was a good deal.

--Phin


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